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		<title>By: raimolonka</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/01/05/alphas-in-the-heart-of-the-omega/#comment-319212</link>
		<dc:creator>raimolonka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why we never see actual borning of a new star? (First light in the previously dark spot). There are always just &quot;young stars&quot; or &quot;star forming  regions&quot; etc. It would be easier to believe in these hopeful stories if one really could see a new star. Richard P. Feynman wrote that the star life cycle scenario (formation, life, death, formation...)   &quot;sounded like a perpetual motion machine&quot; . It&#039;s quite easy to agree with Feynman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why we never see actual borning of a new star? (First light in the previously dark spot). There are always just &#8220;young stars&#8221; or &#8220;star forming  regions&#8221; etc. It would be easier to believe in these hopeful stories if one really could see a new star. Richard P. Feynman wrote that the star life cycle scenario (formation, life, death, formation&#8230;)   &#8220;sounded like a perpetual motion machine&#8221; . It&#8217;s quite easy to agree with Feynman.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/01/05/alphas-in-the-heart-of-the-omega/#comment-319211</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW. I&#039;d also strongly recommend checking out the voyage into a few astronomical nebulas of varying sorts here - scroll down :

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/01/hubble_still_unbeatable.php

including this one :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSZb_PUkeB0

journeying into the star-forming region Sharpless 2-106.

There&#039;s also more like those such as this one :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA9YO_iK6G8&amp;feature=relmfu

taking y&#039;all into the Carina nebula &quot;pillars&quot; to enjoy. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW. I&#8217;d also strongly recommend checking out the voyage into a few astronomical nebulas of varying sorts here &#8211; scroll down :</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/01/hubble_still_unbeatable.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/01/hubble_still_unbeatable.php</a></p>
<p>including this one :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSZb_PUkeB0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSZb_PUkeB0</a></p>
<p>journeying into the star-forming region Sharpless 2-106.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also more like those such as this one :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA9YO_iK6G8&#038;feature=relmfu" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA9YO_iK6G8&#038;feature=relmfu</a></p>
<p>taking y&#8217;all into the Carina nebula &#8220;pillars&#8221; to enjoy. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/01/05/alphas-in-the-heart-of-the-omega/#comment-319210</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ Eddie Janssen : You can&#039;t really tell for sure unless you know the distance to each of them but I&#039;d guess they are mostly or even all in the foreground with the nebulosity obscuring the light of any stars in the background behind it.

Note too that stars may be forming at the centre of the darkest clumps - like the truncated triangle and octopus shaped black patch on the upper right hand side - but yet those stars may be completely cloaked by the dense surrounding dust and gas.

They could well be Bok globules - click on my name for article via &lt;i&gt;Universe Today&lt;/i&gt; or search online for &lt;i&gt;&#039;Journey Inside A Bok Globule&#039;&lt;/i&gt; by Tammy Plotner posted on February 2, 2009.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ Eddie Janssen : You can&#8217;t really tell for sure unless you know the distance to each of them but I&#8217;d guess they are mostly or even all in the foreground with the nebulosity obscuring the light of any stars in the background behind it.</p>
<p>Note too that stars may be forming at the centre of the darkest clumps &#8211; like the truncated triangle and octopus shaped black patch on the upper right hand side &#8211; but yet those stars may be completely cloaked by the dense surrounding dust and gas.</p>
<p>They could well be Bok globules &#8211; click on my name for article via <i>Universe Today</i> or search online for <i>&#8216;Journey Inside A Bok Globule&#8217;</i> by Tammy Plotner posted on February 2, 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Janssen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/01/05/alphas-in-the-heart-of-the-omega/#comment-319209</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie Janssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another general question:
Which of the stars you can see in this picture are part of the nebula and which are merely foreground stars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another general question:<br />
Which of the stars you can see in this picture are part of the nebula and which are merely foreground stars?</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/01/05/alphas-in-the-heart-of-the-omega/#comment-319208</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@10.   jck : January 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;What would the night sky look like to someone living in that nebula? Would it be as light as the picture?&lt;i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Almost certainly not methinks.

Why because I&#039;m pretty sure this is a long exposure image adn this means the light literally builds up and isn&#039;t what you&#039;d see with the unaided eye if you were to look up from inside Messier 17 itself.

If you were there, well the sky would certainly be different although I&#039;m not sure exactly how different and it would also deped on exactly where you were and what else was in  or near your location. &lt;i&gt;(Eg. if you were in a system with other planets,comets and asteroids  you&#039;d see those - how well and as what depending on how close you were to them.)&lt;/i&gt;

Very few - if any  - of the familar stars in our night sky would be visible - &amp; the stars that might be visible from there &lt;i&gt;(Deneb, Rigel, Eta Carinae -the brighter &amp; more distant cosmic lighthouses we see)&lt;/i&gt; would be in very different constellation patterns to ours.

Interesting enough because this is a star forming region with young stars, I would expect you could have several really massive, hot and bright O &amp; B type stars nearby which would shine incredibly bright in yoru M17~ean sky. Think of the light of the crescent moon or even half full moon coming from a single star-like point in your sky. Plus several stars that appear as bright as Venus and Jupiter do in our sky but unlike them remain in the same spot relative to the other stars.

The dust and gas composing the nebula would probably obscure your view reducing the number and luminosity of the stars that were present. OTOH, you could probably pick out with the unaided eye, some of this surrounding nebulosity you are emneshed in there just as we can see the Orion nebula &lt;i&gt;(Messier 42 &amp; 43)&lt;/i&gt; from Earth as a &quot;fuzzy star&quot; in the handle of the saucepan / sword of Orion. However, given the anatomy of the human eye you probably -&amp; I may be mistaken here but probably - couldn&#039;t detect any colour to that nebulosity like we can in this image.

What you may get is may dark patches - obscuring dark nebula like those EE Barnard catalogued all across your sky with grey, fuzzy misty clouds of reflection nebula that - with long exposure astrophotography  would be breathtakingly magnificent and cover apapparently vast areas of sky. You may well see fewer but brighter stars and as for planets, comets and asteroids well, that would depend where youwere and what was nearby.

So, it could be very interesting indeed and I&#039;d love to have an FTL starship and go look. Alas we&#039;llhave to settle for now for imagination and space art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@10.   jck : January 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm</p>
<blockquote><p><i>What would the night sky look like to someone living in that nebula? Would it be as light as the picture?</i><i></i></p></blockquote>
<p>Almost certainly not methinks.</p>
<p>Why because I&#8217;m pretty sure this is a long exposure image adn this means the light literally builds up and isn&#8217;t what you&#8217;d see with the unaided eye if you were to look up from inside Messier 17 itself.</p>
<p>If you were there, well the sky would certainly be different although I&#8217;m not sure exactly how different and it would also deped on exactly where you were and what else was in  or near your location. <i>(Eg. if you were in a system with other planets,comets and asteroids  you&#8217;d see those &#8211; how well and as what depending on how close you were to them.)</i></p>
<p>Very few &#8211; if any  &#8211; of the familar stars in our night sky would be visible &#8211; &amp; the stars that might be visible from there <i>(Deneb, Rigel, Eta Carinae -the brighter &amp; more distant cosmic lighthouses we see)</i> would be in very different constellation patterns to ours.</p>
<p>Interesting enough because this is a star forming region with young stars, I would expect you could have several really massive, hot and bright O &amp; B type stars nearby which would shine incredibly bright in yoru M17~ean sky. Think of the light of the crescent moon or even half full moon coming from a single star-like point in your sky. Plus several stars that appear as bright as Venus and Jupiter do in our sky but unlike them remain in the same spot relative to the other stars.</p>
<p>The dust and gas composing the nebula would probably obscure your view reducing the number and luminosity of the stars that were present. OTOH, you could probably pick out with the unaided eye, some of this surrounding nebulosity you are emneshed in there just as we can see the Orion nebula <i>(Messier 42 &amp; 43)</i> from Earth as a &#8220;fuzzy star&#8221; in the handle of the saucepan / sword of Orion. However, given the anatomy of the human eye you probably -&amp; I may be mistaken here but probably &#8211; couldn&#8217;t detect any colour to that nebulosity like we can in this image.</p>
<p>What you may get is may dark patches &#8211; obscuring dark nebula like those EE Barnard catalogued all across your sky with grey, fuzzy misty clouds of reflection nebula that &#8211; with long exposure astrophotography  would be breathtakingly magnificent and cover apapparently vast areas of sky. You may well see fewer but brighter stars and as for planets, comets and asteroids well, that would depend where youwere and what was nearby.</p>
<p>So, it could be very interesting indeed and I&#8217;d love to have an FTL starship and go look. Alas we&#8217;llhave to settle for now for imagination and space art.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@^   Neil Haggath : Lol. ;-)

I&#039;d suggest the &lt;b&gt;S&lt;/b&gt;uper -&lt;b&gt;U&lt;/b&gt;ber-&lt;b&gt;M&lt;/b&gt;ega-&lt;b&gt;A&lt;/b&gt;stronomical-&lt;b&gt;T&lt;/b&gt;elescope as being the peak of  possible superlative observatory acronynms! ;-)

Great picture  -  and clever title here, cheers BA! :-)


*****

PS. Wikipedia page for  Messier 17 aka the Omega Nebula,  Swan Nebula, Checkmark Nebula, Lobster Nebula, and the Horseshoe Nebula linked to my name here. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@^   Neil Haggath : Lol. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest the <b>S</b>uper -<b>U</b>ber-<b>M</b>ega-<b>A</b>stronomical-<b>T</b>elescope as being the peak of  possible superlative observatory acronynms! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Great picture  &#8211;  and clever title here, cheers BA! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>PS. Wikipedia page for  Messier 17 aka the Omega Nebula,  Swan Nebula, Checkmark Nebula, Lobster Nebula, and the Horseshoe Nebula linked to my name here. </p>
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		<title>By: jck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would the night sky look like to someone living in that nebula? Would it be as light as the picture?</description>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/01/05/alphas-in-the-heart-of-the-omega/#comment-319205</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 ceramicfundamentalist, #3 renke:
Someone once published a paper entitled - I kid you not - &quot;The Super Huge Interferometric Telescope&quot;. I assume that was deliberate, just to see if they could get away with it.
I believe there is also a design study somewhere, known informally as the FLT...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 ceramicfundamentalist, #3 renke:<br />
Someone once published a paper entitled &#8211; I kid you not &#8211; &#8220;The Super Huge Interferometric Telescope&#8221;. I assume that was deliberate, just to see if they could get away with it.<br />
I believe there is also a design study somewhere, known informally as the FLT&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spying on the Omega Nebula? You&#039;re gonna make some batarians angry...</description>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome pictures/post, I see a frustrated face in the first picture.</description>
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