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	<title>Comments on: Exoplanet news part 1: I shall call it Mini Solar System</title>
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		<title>By: ErisArticWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ErisArticWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GO PLANETS!!!</description>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Drunk Vegan: it seems that pulsar planets are routinely ignored by the exoplanet community. Another example is the Kepler team&#039;s claim that Kepler-16 (AB) b is the first discovered circumbinary exoplanet - that honour actually goes to the PSR B1620-26 system (a pulsar+white dwarf binary located in a globular cluster) discovered in 1993.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Drunk Vegan: it seems that pulsar planets are routinely ignored by the exoplanet community. Another example is the Kepler team&#8217;s claim that Kepler-16 (AB) b is the first discovered circumbinary exoplanet &#8211; that honour actually goes to the PSR B1620-26 system (a pulsar+white dwarf binary located in a globular cluster) discovered in 1993.</p>
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		<title>By: Drunk Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drunk Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does every blog post and news article about the discovery of a slightly smaller planet always trumpet it as &quot;the smallest planet found yet!&quot; ?

These are *not* the smallest exoplanets found yet. That honor goes to the pulsar planets that were discovered in the early 1990&#039;s. Their maximum masses derived from radial velocity were near or well below the mass of Earth, including this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1257%2B12_A

Which is, in fact, the smallest exoplanet ever discovered (in 1994), weighing in at only twice the mass of Earth&#039;s *Moon*, making it much smaller than all other exoplanets discovered so far, and in fact smaller than any of the 8 planets in our solar system.

I do occasionally see  articles that give a nod to this by adding &quot;around any main-sequence star&quot; after &quot;smallest yet discovered,&quot; which is at least technically accurate.

It seems like a disservice to those early planet hunters to always overlook that achievement, especially because most articles on exoplanets also indicate the &quot;first&quot; exoplanet discovered was 51 Pegasi b in 1995, which is also completely untrue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does every blog post and news article about the discovery of a slightly smaller planet always trumpet it as &#8220;the smallest planet found yet!&#8221; ?</p>
<p>These are *not* the smallest exoplanets found yet. That honor goes to the pulsar planets that were discovered in the early 1990&#8242;s. Their maximum masses derived from radial velocity were near or well below the mass of Earth, including this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1257%2B12_A" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1257%2B12_A</a></p>
<p>Which is, in fact, the smallest exoplanet ever discovered (in 1994), weighing in at only twice the mass of Earth&#8217;s *Moon*, making it much smaller than all other exoplanets discovered so far, and in fact smaller than any of the 8 planets in our solar system.</p>
<p>I do occasionally see  articles that give a nod to this by adding &#8220;around any main-sequence star&#8221; after &#8220;smallest yet discovered,&#8221; which is at least technically accurate.</p>
<p>It seems like a disservice to those early planet hunters to always overlook that achievement, especially because most articles on exoplanets also indicate the &#8220;first&#8221; exoplanet discovered was 51 Pegasi b in 1995, which is also completely untrue.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragonchild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragonchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I nominate calling the planets Lister, Kryten and Cat.  A hypothetical fourth planet would be on the outer Rimmer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I nominate calling the planets Lister, Kryten and Cat.  A hypothetical fourth planet would be on the outer Rimmer.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Second, it shows that red dwarf stars can form and hold onto planets… which itself is important because red dwarfs are by far the most common kind of star in the Universe. They make up roughly 80% of the total number of stars! &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Plus while they used to be considered unlikely hosts for habitable planets as Ken Croswell points out here :

http://kencroswell.com/HowRedDwarfsProtectTheirPlanets.html

&amp; here :

http://kencroswell.com/reddwarflife.html

Red dwarfs may be a lot better suited to hosting life than we used to think.  :-)

Mind you, coping with red dwarf flares - and many of them really do flare dramatically  - could present life on planets necessarily tucked in close with some major issues.  As kaler notes on page 31, &lt;i&gt;&quot;The Faintest Stars&quot;&lt;/i&gt; article by James B. Kaler , in &lt;i&gt;&#039;Astronomy&#039;&lt;/i&gt;magazine, August, 1991 :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Imagine M-dwarf  &lt;i&gt;[red dwarf - ed.]&lt;/i&gt; bathing on the beach and having your star suddenly -with no warning at all - become ten times brighter.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yikes! :-o

Can anyone imagine our Sun becoming even twice as bright abruptly?

As always, there&#039;s just so much still to learn.

Wondering more than ever before if the nearer red dwarf stars -  eg. Proxima Centauri, Barnard&#039;s Star, Wolf 359 - have planets, what they&#039;re like and when, if ever, we&#039;ll know? A twin of Barnard&#039;s Star eh?  :-)

Ah, for FTL travel, sigh.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Second, it shows that red dwarf stars can form and hold onto planets… which itself is important because red dwarfs are by far the most common kind of star in the Universe. They make up roughly 80% of the total number of stars! </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Plus while they used to be considered unlikely hosts for habitable planets as Ken Croswell points out here :</p>
<p><a href="http://kencroswell.com/HowRedDwarfsProtectTheirPlanets.html" rel="nofollow">http://kencroswell.com/HowRedDwarfsProtectTheirPlanets.html</a></p>
<p>&amp; here :</p>
<p><a href="http://kencroswell.com/reddwarflife.html" rel="nofollow">http://kencroswell.com/reddwarflife.html</a></p>
<p>Red dwarfs may be a lot better suited to hosting life than we used to think.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mind you, coping with red dwarf flares &#8211; and many of them really do flare dramatically  &#8211; could present life on planets necessarily tucked in close with some major issues.  As kaler notes on page 31, <i>&#8220;The Faintest Stars&#8221;</i> article by James B. Kaler , in <i>&#8216;Astronomy&#8217;</i>magazine, August, 1991 :</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Imagine M-dwarf  <i>[red dwarf - ed.]</i> bathing on the beach and having your star suddenly -with no warning at all &#8211; become ten times brighter.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yikes! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Can anyone imagine our Sun becoming even twice as bright abruptly?</p>
<p>As always, there&#8217;s just so much still to learn.</p>
<p>Wondering more than ever before if the nearer red dwarf stars &#8211;  eg. Proxima Centauri, Barnard&#8217;s Star, Wolf 359 &#8211; have planets, what they&#8217;re like and when, if ever, we&#8217;ll know? A twin of Barnard&#8217;s Star eh?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ah, for FTL travel, sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: FeRD</title>
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		<dc:creator>FeRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the accelerating pace of new exoplanet discoveries, and the resultant expansion of  many estimates regarding how common these bodies are and how many we expect to eventually locate, I&#039;d very much like to see a minor — but symbolic — change in the language used. It&#039;s time that we amend the vocabulary to reflect our more mature understanding (speaking of evolution, above), and &lt;b&gt;stop&lt;/b&gt; calling them &quot;&lt;i&gt;exoplanets&lt;/i&gt;&quot;! The term is Earth- and Sol-centric, and is beginning to feel embarrassingly provincial in light of recent discoveries.

The more of these newly-detected planets we catalog, the less appropriate it will be to use distinct terminology. From a scientific standpoint, what justifies a vocabulary for discussing planetary bodies which implicitly views the ones in our own system as somehow inherently special or different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the accelerating pace of new exoplanet discoveries, and the resultant expansion of  many estimates regarding how common these bodies are and how many we expect to eventually locate, I&#8217;d very much like to see a minor — but symbolic — change in the language used. It&#8217;s time that we amend the vocabulary to reflect our more mature understanding (speaking of evolution, above), and <b>stop</b> calling them &#8220;<i>exoplanets</i>&#8220;! The term is Earth- and Sol-centric, and is beginning to feel embarrassingly provincial in light of recent discoveries.</p>
<p>The more of these newly-detected planets we catalog, the less appropriate it will be to use distinct terminology. From a scientific standpoint, what justifies a vocabulary for discussing planetary bodies which implicitly views the ones in our own system as somehow inherently special or different?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I be extra picky here and point out that the distances do appear to be to scale *with each other*, just not the same scale as the size of the bodies. So, for instance, the outermost planet here would indeed be just a bit further out from the centre of the system than Callisto is from Jupiter, but not by too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I be extra picky here and point out that the distances do appear to be to scale *with each other*, just not the same scale as the size of the bodies. So, for instance, the outermost planet here would indeed be just a bit further out from the centre of the system than Callisto is from Jupiter, but not by too much.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Previously material being evaporated from hot Jupiters has been detected. Now we&#039;ve got something that may be a Mercury-like planet being disintegrated by its parent star...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.2662&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Possible Disintegrating Short-Period Super-Mercury Orbiting KIC 12557548&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Previously material being evaporated from hot Jupiters has been detected. Now we&#8217;ve got something that may be a Mercury-like planet being disintegrated by its parent star&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.2662" rel="nofollow">Possible Disintegrating Short-Period Super-Mercury Orbiting KIC 12557548</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just discovered that red dwarves can live for hundreds of billions of years. We may be the unlucky ones in this Universe with our remaining 5 billion years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just discovered that red dwarves can live for hundreds of billions of years. We may be the unlucky ones in this Universe with our remaining 5 billion years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/01/12/exoplanet-news-part-1-i-shall-call-it-mini-solar-system/#comment-319604</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 06:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superluminous &lt;i&gt;(beyond brilliant)&lt;/i&gt; discovery  - Congrats to the Kepler team once again! :-)

The exoplanet low mass limbo just keeps getting lower! ;-)

Down to the mass of Mars - wow. :-o

Surely we must be pushing the limit of what they can detect now - but does have me wondering how much lower &lt;i&gt;(mass~wise)&lt;/i&gt; they can go.  All the way to Pluto-mass &amp; beyond?  Also wonder if further study could use perturbations of these rock dwarfs to detect any higher (or even equally  low) planets further out? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superluminous <i>(beyond brilliant)</i> discovery  &#8211; Congrats to the Kepler team once again! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The exoplanet low mass limbo just keeps getting lower! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Down to the mass of Mars &#8211; wow. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Surely we must be pushing the limit of what they can detect now &#8211; but does have me wondering how much lower <i>(mass~wise)</i> they can go.  All the way to Pluto-mass &amp; beyond?  Also wonder if further study could use perturbations of these rock dwarfs to detect any higher (or even equally  low) planets further out? </p>
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