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	<title>Comments on: Exoplanet news part 1: I shall call it Mini Solar System</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: ErisArticWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ErisArticWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GO PLANETS!!!</description>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Drunk Vegan: it seems that pulsar planets are routinely ignored by the exoplanet community. Another example is the Kepler team&#039;s claim that Kepler-16 (AB) b is the first discovered circumbinary exoplanet - that honour actually goes to the PSR B1620-26 system (a pulsar+white dwarf binary located in a globular cluster) discovered in 1993.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Drunk Vegan: it seems that pulsar planets are routinely ignored by the exoplanet community. Another example is the Kepler team&#8217;s claim that Kepler-16 (AB) b is the first discovered circumbinary exoplanet &#8211; that honour actually goes to the PSR B1620-26 system (a pulsar+white dwarf binary located in a globular cluster) discovered in 1993.</p>
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		<title>By: Drunk Vegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drunk Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does every blog post and news article about the discovery of a slightly smaller planet always trumpet it as &quot;the smallest planet found yet!&quot; ?

These are *not* the smallest exoplanets found yet. That honor goes to the pulsar planets that were discovered in the early 1990&#039;s. Their maximum masses derived from radial velocity were near or well below the mass of Earth, including this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1257%2B12_A

Which is, in fact, the smallest exoplanet ever discovered (in 1994), weighing in at only twice the mass of Earth&#039;s *Moon*, making it much smaller than all other exoplanets discovered so far, and in fact smaller than any of the 8 planets in our solar system.

I do occasionally see  articles that give a nod to this by adding &quot;around any main-sequence star&quot; after &quot;smallest yet discovered,&quot; which is at least technically accurate.

It seems like a disservice to those early planet hunters to always overlook that achievement, especially because most articles on exoplanets also indicate the &quot;first&quot; exoplanet discovered was 51 Pegasi b in 1995, which is also completely untrue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does every blog post and news article about the discovery of a slightly smaller planet always trumpet it as &#8220;the smallest planet found yet!&#8221; ?</p>
<p>These are *not* the smallest exoplanets found yet. That honor goes to the pulsar planets that were discovered in the early 1990&#8242;s. Their maximum masses derived from radial velocity were near or well below the mass of Earth, including this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1257%2B12_A" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1257%2B12_A</a></p>
<p>Which is, in fact, the smallest exoplanet ever discovered (in 1994), weighing in at only twice the mass of Earth&#8217;s *Moon*, making it much smaller than all other exoplanets discovered so far, and in fact smaller than any of the 8 planets in our solar system.</p>
<p>I do occasionally see  articles that give a nod to this by adding &#8220;around any main-sequence star&#8221; after &#8220;smallest yet discovered,&#8221; which is at least technically accurate.</p>
<p>It seems like a disservice to those early planet hunters to always overlook that achievement, especially because most articles on exoplanets also indicate the &#8220;first&#8221; exoplanet discovered was 51 Pegasi b in 1995, which is also completely untrue.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragonchild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragonchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I nominate calling the planets Lister, Kryten and Cat.  A hypothetical fourth planet would be on the outer Rimmer.</description>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Second, it shows that red dwarf stars can form and hold onto planets… which itself is important because red dwarfs are by far the most common kind of star in the Universe. They make up roughly 80% of the total number of stars! &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Plus while they used to be considered unlikely hosts for habitable planets as Ken Croswell points out here :
 
http://kencroswell.com/HowRedDwarfsProtectTheirPlanets.html 

&amp; here :

http://kencroswell.com/reddwarflife.html

Red dwarfs may be a lot better suited to hosting life than we used to think.  :-)

Mind you, coping with red dwarf flares - and many of them really do flare dramatically  - could present life on planets necessarily tucked in close with some major issues.  As kaler notes on page 31, &lt;i&gt;&quot;The Faintest Stars&quot;&lt;/i&gt; article by James B. Kaler , in &lt;i&gt;&#039;Astronomy&#039;&lt;/i&gt;magazine, August, 1991 : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Imagine M-dwarf  &lt;i&gt;[red dwarf - ed.]&lt;/i&gt; bathing on the beach and having your star suddenly -with no warning at all - become ten times brighter.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yikes! :-o 

Can anyone imagine our Sun becoming even twice as bright abruptly?

As always, there&#039;s just so much still to learn. 

Wondering more than ever before if the nearer red dwarf stars -  eg. Proxima Centauri, Barnard&#039;s Star, Wolf 359 - have planets, what they&#039;re like and when, if ever, we&#039;ll know? A twin of Barnard&#039;s Star eh?  :-)

Ah, for FTL travel, sigh.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Second, it shows that red dwarf stars can form and hold onto planets… which itself is important because red dwarfs are by far the most common kind of star in the Universe. They make up roughly 80% of the total number of stars! </i></p></blockquote>
<p>Plus while they used to be considered unlikely hosts for habitable planets as Ken Croswell points out here :</p>
<p><a href="http://kencroswell.com/HowRedDwarfsProtectTheirPlanets.html" rel="nofollow">http://kencroswell.com/HowRedDwarfsProtectTheirPlanets.html</a> </p>
<p>&amp; here :</p>
<p><a href="http://kencroswell.com/reddwarflife.html" rel="nofollow">http://kencroswell.com/reddwarflife.html</a></p>
<p>Red dwarfs may be a lot better suited to hosting life than we used to think.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mind you, coping with red dwarf flares &#8211; and many of them really do flare dramatically  &#8211; could present life on planets necessarily tucked in close with some major issues.  As kaler notes on page 31, <i>&#8220;The Faintest Stars&#8221;</i> article by James B. Kaler , in <i>&#8216;Astronomy&#8217;</i>magazine, August, 1991 : </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Imagine M-dwarf  <i>[red dwarf - ed.]</i> bathing on the beach and having your star suddenly -with no warning at all &#8211; become ten times brighter.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yikes! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Can anyone imagine our Sun becoming even twice as bright abruptly?</p>
<p>As always, there&#8217;s just so much still to learn. </p>
<p>Wondering more than ever before if the nearer red dwarf stars &#8211;  eg. Proxima Centauri, Barnard&#8217;s Star, Wolf 359 &#8211; have planets, what they&#8217;re like and when, if ever, we&#8217;ll know? A twin of Barnard&#8217;s Star eh?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ah, for FTL travel, sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: FeRD</title>
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		<dc:creator>FeRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the accelerating pace of new exoplanet discoveries, and the resultant expansion of  many estimates regarding how common these bodies are and how many we expect to eventually locate, I&#039;d very much like to see a minor — but symbolic — change in the language used. It&#039;s time that we amend the vocabulary to reflect our more mature understanding (speaking of evolution, above), and &lt;b&gt;stop&lt;/b&gt; calling them &quot;&lt;i&gt;exoplanets&lt;/i&gt;&quot;! The term is Earth- and Sol-centric, and is beginning to feel embarrassingly provincial in light of recent discoveries.

The more of these newly-detected planets we catalog, the less appropriate it will be to use distinct terminology. From a scientific standpoint, what justifies a vocabulary for discussing planetary bodies which implicitly views the ones in our own system as somehow inherently special or different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the accelerating pace of new exoplanet discoveries, and the resultant expansion of  many estimates regarding how common these bodies are and how many we expect to eventually locate, I&#8217;d very much like to see a minor — but symbolic — change in the language used. It&#8217;s time that we amend the vocabulary to reflect our more mature understanding (speaking of evolution, above), and <b>stop</b> calling them &#8220;<i>exoplanets</i>&#8220;! The term is Earth- and Sol-centric, and is beginning to feel embarrassingly provincial in light of recent discoveries.</p>
<p>The more of these newly-detected planets we catalog, the less appropriate it will be to use distinct terminology. From a scientific standpoint, what justifies a vocabulary for discussing planetary bodies which implicitly views the ones in our own system as somehow inherently special or different?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I be extra picky here and point out that the distances do appear to be to scale *with each other*, just not the same scale as the size of the bodies. So, for instance, the outermost planet here would indeed be just a bit further out from the centre of the system than Callisto is from Jupiter, but not by too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I be extra picky here and point out that the distances do appear to be to scale *with each other*, just not the same scale as the size of the bodies. So, for instance, the outermost planet here would indeed be just a bit further out from the centre of the system than Callisto is from Jupiter, but not by too much.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Previously material being evaporated from hot Jupiters has been detected. Now we&#039;ve got something that may be a Mercury-like planet being disintegrated by its parent star...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.2662&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Possible Disintegrating Short-Period Super-Mercury Orbiting KIC 12557548&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Previously material being evaporated from hot Jupiters has been detected. Now we&#8217;ve got something that may be a Mercury-like planet being disintegrated by its parent star&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.2662" rel="nofollow">Possible Disintegrating Short-Period Super-Mercury Orbiting KIC 12557548</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just discovered that red dwarves can live for hundreds of billions of years. We may be the unlucky ones in this Universe with our remaining 5 billion years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just discovered that red dwarves can live for hundreds of billions of years. We may be the unlucky ones in this Universe with our remaining 5 billion years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 06:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superluminous &lt;i&gt;(beyond brilliant)&lt;/i&gt; discovery  - Congrats to the Kepler team once again! :-)

The exoplanet low mass limbo just keeps getting lower! ;-) 

Down to the mass of Mars - wow. :-o

Surely we must be pushing the limit of what they can detect now - but does have me wondering how much lower &lt;i&gt;(mass~wise)&lt;/i&gt; they can go.  All the way to Pluto-mass &amp; beyond?  Also wonder if further study could use perturbations of these rock dwarfs to detect any higher (or even equally  low) planets further out? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superluminous <i>(beyond brilliant)</i> discovery  &#8211; Congrats to the Kepler team once again! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The exoplanet low mass limbo just keeps getting lower! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Down to the mass of Mars &#8211; wow. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Surely we must be pushing the limit of what they can detect now &#8211; but does have me wondering how much lower <i>(mass~wise)</i> they can go.  All the way to Pluto-mass &amp; beyond?  Also wonder if further study could use perturbations of these rock dwarfs to detect any higher (or even equally  low) planets further out?</p>
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		<title>By: SarK0Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarK0Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 03:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Public letter: 
Dear Friends. 

No too big secret that NASA has gotten toughest question to fund future &amp; current projects. I’d like to offer you game-changing strategy: One &amp; First among the Key Factors is to become financially independent, space tourism has really great potential to be first having extra incomes, but common mistake of start-ups like SpaceX is the way to excite customers. Ticket to Space is too expensive even for far not poor personas, but fortunately this obstacle can be broken through with lottery schemes to sell tickets + that way makes possible to get many times more income to advance than Just to search wealthy ones. 

Aforesaid text is only smallest part of the strategy to turn Space Industry from ugly duck to blossoming Swan. 

My the best wishes. 

P. S. 

+ one wonderful &amp; useful moment must be mentioned: the more NASA will be self-funded, the more money from government will be given to NASA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public letter:<br />
Dear Friends. </p>
<p>No too big secret that NASA has gotten toughest question to fund future &amp; current projects. I’d like to offer you game-changing strategy: One &amp; First among the Key Factors is to become financially independent, space tourism has really great potential to be first having extra incomes, but common mistake of start-ups like SpaceX is the way to excite customers. Ticket to Space is too expensive even for far not poor personas, but fortunately this obstacle can be broken through with lottery schemes to sell tickets + that way makes possible to get many times more income to advance than Just to search wealthy ones. </p>
<p>Aforesaid text is only smallest part of the strategy to turn Space Industry from ugly duck to blossoming Swan. </p>
<p>My the best wishes. </p>
<p>P. S. </p>
<p>+ one wonderful &amp; useful moment must be mentioned: the more NASA will be self-funded, the more money from government will be given to NASA.</p>
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		<title>By: LarianLeQuella</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarianLeQuella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 02:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mea culpa, seems I was totally wrong on one of my posts (#16).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mea culpa, seems I was totally wrong on one of my posts (#16).</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@14 Firemage: &lt;i&gt;Sorry to be nitpicky, but stars and solar systems don’t exactly evolve in the biological sense. There is no selection at work and thus they can’t “fill a niche”.&lt;/i&gt;

I second that. I didn&#039;t want to nitpick either, but then, what is science about but nitpicking everything? :-P
But yeah, (very) large numbers!  I wonder if somewhere out there is a &quot;smoke ring&quot; as in Larry Niven&#039;s &quot;The Integral Trees&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@14 Firemage: <i>Sorry to be nitpicky, but stars and solar systems don’t exactly evolve in the biological sense. There is no selection at work and thus they can’t “fill a niche”.</i></p>
<p>I second that. I didn&#8217;t want to nitpick either, but then, what is science about but nitpicking everything? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
But yeah, (very) large numbers!  I wonder if somewhere out there is a &#8220;smoke ring&#8221; as in Larry Niven&#8217;s &#8220;The Integral Trees&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Plait</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Plait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, sorry for the confusion. No, the distances are not to scale, just the sizes. I&#039;ll amend the text. Note: I had the distance of the outer planet as 2 million km; I updated that to 2.3. Just to be accurate. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, sorry for the confusion. No, the distances are not to scale, just the sizes. I&#8217;ll amend the text. Note: I had the distance of the outer planet as 2 million km; I updated that to 2.3. Just to be accurate. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jupiter didn’t prevent the formation of the dwarf planet Ceres. &quot;

As far as I know no one thinks today the asteroid belt would have aggregated to a planet. (Wasn&#039;t that the idea of one early astronomer all by himself, btw?) 

What happened was that no planet kicked it sufficiently clean after planet/planetesimal formation, same as the Kuipers are left and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jupiter didn’t prevent the formation of the dwarf planet Ceres. &#8221;</p>
<p>As far as I know no one thinks today the asteroid belt would have aggregated to a planet. (Wasn&#8217;t that the idea of one early astronomer all by himself, btw?) </p>
<p>What happened was that no planet kicked it sufficiently clean after planet/planetesimal formation, same as the Kuipers are left and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Amarant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Amarant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not understand.  How is the Red Dwarf only a bit bigger than Jupiter? Is it diameter, or mass?  The news articles I have seen state that the Red Dwarf is 1/6, or 1/7 the mass of the Sun.  Jupiter is about 1/1000 the mass of the Sun, which means that Jupiter is still less than 1/100 the mass of the Red Dwarf. The diameter of Jupiter vs. the Sun is smaller than 1/10. I am unsure of the diameter of the Red Dwarf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not understand.  How is the Red Dwarf only a bit bigger than Jupiter? Is it diameter, or mass?  The news articles I have seen state that the Red Dwarf is 1/6, or 1/7 the mass of the Sun.  Jupiter is about 1/1000 the mass of the Sun, which means that Jupiter is still less than 1/100 the mass of the Red Dwarf. The diameter of Jupiter vs. the Sun is smaller than 1/10. I am unsure of the diameter of the Red Dwarf.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One interesting point here is that the star is a near-twin of the somewhat infamous (at least in exoplanets terms) Barnard&#039;s Star. The fact the two stars have very similar properties and that Barnard&#039;s Star is very well studied allowed for much better estimates of the KOI-961 system parameters. The star is both low mass and low metallicity, which puts it in an interesting region of parameter space: at least for giant planets, both factors are unfavourable.

The resemblance between so many of these super-Earth systems and the Jupiter system is interesting, even though there&#039;s obviously a detection bias involved which favours finding these types of systems over analogues to our much more widely-spaced inner solar system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One interesting point here is that the star is a near-twin of the somewhat infamous (at least in exoplanets terms) Barnard&#8217;s Star. The fact the two stars have very similar properties and that Barnard&#8217;s Star is very well studied allowed for much better estimates of the KOI-961 system parameters. The star is both low mass and low metallicity, which puts it in an interesting region of parameter space: at least for giant planets, both factors are unfavourable.</p>
<p>The resemblance between so many of these super-Earth systems and the Jupiter system is interesting, even though there&#8217;s obviously a detection bias involved which favours finding these types of systems over analogues to our much more widely-spaced inner solar system.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s a shame. As near as I can tell Jupiter is only about four times larger than it should be at the scale of its moons&#039; orbit. It would have been recognizable at the correct scale.  The moons might just be dots at that scale though.

Diagrams invariably inflate the size of things so they are visible as more than dots, but that throws off the layman’s sense of scale. So I love to see astronomical diagrams done at correct scale. So many people have no concept of the actual distances involved and how much empty space is out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a shame. As near as I can tell Jupiter is only about four times larger than it should be at the scale of its moons&#8217; orbit. It would have been recognizable at the correct scale.  The moons might just be dots at that scale though.</p>
<p>Diagrams invariably inflate the size of things so they are visible as more than dots, but that throws off the layman’s sense of scale. So I love to see astronomical diagrams done at correct scale. So many people have no concept of the actual distances involved and how much empty space is out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jupiter&#039;s radius R(J) = 71,492 km

Average orbital radii:
Io: 422,000 km = 5.9 R(J)
Europa: 671,100 km =9.4 R(J)
Ganymede: 1,070,000 km = 15.0 R(J)
Callisto: 1,883,000 km = 26.3 R(J)

So, no, the sizes and distances are not to the same scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jupiter&#8217;s radius R(J) = 71,492 km</p>
<p>Average orbital radii:<br />
Io: 422,000 km = 5.9 R(J)<br />
Europa: 671,100 km =9.4 R(J)<br />
Ganymede: 1,070,000 km = 15.0 R(J)<br />
Callisto: 1,883,000 km = 26.3 R(J)</p>
<p>So, no, the sizes and distances are not to the same scale.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Fatboy, it looks like you have company!</description>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m dubious, as close binary and trinary systems should be disruptive enough to prevent planet formation, just as Jupiter prevented the asteroid belt from becoming a planet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps, but Jupiter didn&#039;t prevent the formation of the &lt;i&gt;dwarf&lt;/i&gt; planet Ceres. So if you&#039;re of the opinion that dwarf planets should be considered planets too....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m dubious, as close binary and trinary systems should be disruptive enough to prevent planet formation, just as Jupiter prevented the asteroid belt from becoming a planet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps, but Jupiter didn&#8217;t prevent the formation of the <i>dwarf</i> planet Ceres. So if you&#8217;re of the opinion that dwarf planets should be considered planets too&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Everything there is to scale: the relative size of the star, the planets, Jupiter, and its moons.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The relative sizes and the relative distances are to scale, but surely the distances and sizes are not to scale with each other, right? Io does not orbit less than a Jupiter-diameter away from Jupiter&#039;s surface, does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Everything there is to scale: the relative size of the star, the planets, Jupiter, and its moons.</p></blockquote>
<p>The relative sizes and the relative distances are to scale, but surely the distances and sizes are not to scale with each other, right? Io does not orbit less than a Jupiter-diameter away from Jupiter&#8217;s surface, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: Fatboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The artwork above drives that point home. Everything there is to scale: the relative size of the star, the planets, Jupiter, and its moons. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is everything really to scale, or just the relative sizes?  Cause it looks to my untrained eye like the planets are really close to the star, and that the moons are too close to Jupiter.


Oops... Just noticed lunchstealer beat me to this.  Oh well, I already posted it, so I guess I&#039;ll leave it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The artwork above drives that point home. Everything there is to scale: the relative size of the star, the planets, Jupiter, and its moons. </p></blockquote>
<p>Is everything really to scale, or just the relative sizes?  Cause it looks to my untrained eye like the planets are really close to the star, and that the moons are too close to Jupiter.</p>
<p>Oops&#8230; Just noticed lunchstealer beat me to this.  Oh well, I already posted it, so I guess I&#8217;ll leave it up.</p>
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		<title>By: David K</title>
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		<dc:creator>David K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wzrd1,

Planets around close binaries and triple stars?  Easy -- they orbit far out around both/all stars in the system.  The hypothesis is that all or nearly all stars have planets, not that they all have planets in their habitable zones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wzrd1,</p>
<p>Planets around close binaries and triple stars?  Easy &#8212; they orbit far out around both/all stars in the system.  The hypothesis is that all or nearly all stars have planets, not that they all have planets in their habitable zones.</p>
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		<title>By: Larian LeQuella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larian LeQuella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ lunchstealer (#13), the picture is basically showing the radius of the orbit from the center of Jupiter (and same for the KOI-961 planets).  Hope that helps.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ lunchstealer (#13), the picture is basically showing the radius of the orbit from the center of Jupiter (and same for the KOI-961 planets).  Hope that helps.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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