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		<title>By: Friday Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Speaking of galaxies, check out the stunning beauty of NGC 1073. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Speaking of galaxies, check out the stunning beauty of NGC 1073. [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@23.   Ross Cunniff :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;@22 Messier Tidy Upper – mostly agree, but Ouranos (Uranus) was discovered by Herschel in 1781, 20 years before 1 Ceres .. and then i agree with your ordering.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good point - thanks for that. :-)

 I also missed K0 o too.  Oops. Guess that&#039;d have to be Orcus or Varuna or Ixion or another of the ice dwarfs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23.   Ross Cunniff :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>@22 Messier Tidy Upper – mostly agree, but Ouranos (Uranus) was discovered by Herschel in 1781, 20 years before 1 Ceres .. and then i agree with your ordering.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Good point &#8211; thanks for that. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> I also missed K0 o too.  Oops. Guess that&#8217;d have to be Orcus or Varuna or Ixion or another of the ice dwarfs. </p>
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		<title>By: Southern Borg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southern Borg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tensor : I agree, I came here to point out exactly the same idea. In full glory, they are island universes beyond the veil of NGC1073, and I want to know more. Like, why are they so red? They can&#039;t be that far away, surely, that redshift is so visible to our puny eyes?

@SkyGazer... It depends on how far away you are from the black hole.
I&#039;d have to say that a given black hole&#039;s &#039;suckiness&#039; is inversely proportional to the distance of the observer... but I could be wrong, methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tensor : I agree, I came here to point out exactly the same idea. In full glory, they are island universes beyond the veil of NGC1073, and I want to know more. Like, why are they so red? They can&#8217;t be that far away, surely, that redshift is so visible to our puny eyes?</p>
<p>@SkyGazer&#8230; It depends on how far away you are from the black hole.<br />
I&#8217;d have to say that a given black hole&#8217;s &#8216;suckiness&#8217; is inversely proportional to the distance of the observer&#8230; but I could be wrong, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul: &lt;i&gt;What I wants to know is this. Does the Milky Way have a proper name? The aforementioned seems more descriptive than nominative, and harks back to a time when we didn’t know any better. I’m assuming it’s not NGC 0.&lt;/i&gt;

I suggest NGC 127001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul: <i>What I wants to know is this. Does the Milky Way have a proper name? The aforementioned seems more descriptive than nominative, and harks back to a time when we didn’t know any better. I’m assuming it’s not NGC 0.</i></p>
<p>I suggest NGC 127001.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! NGC 1073 is one of your better galaxies. It&#039;s not a downstream galaxy. It ain&#039;t no flatland galaxy. (It&#039;s not a Coor&#039;s beer galaxy either.)

The interesting thing about that image for me is that when I look at the central disk, it seems to be an edge-on photo of a smaller galaxy. Then I look at the spiral arms and my mind thinks there ought to be another galactic core hidden behind there somewhere. Just an illusion, obviously.

BTW, Jess Tauber: I wrote the above before I saw your #3. Good one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! NGC 1073 is one of your better galaxies. It&#8217;s not a downstream galaxy. It ain&#8217;t no flatland galaxy. (It&#8217;s not a Coor&#8217;s beer galaxy either.)</p>
<p>The interesting thing about that image for me is that when I look at the central disk, it seems to be an edge-on photo of a smaller galaxy. Then I look at the spiral arms and my mind thinks there ought to be another galactic core hidden behind there somewhere. Just an illusion, obviously.</p>
<p>BTW, Jess Tauber: I wrote the above before I saw your #3. Good one!</p>
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		<title>By: SkyGazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkyGazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dragonchild
ehm... to be fair.
Black Holes don´t suck.
google it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dragonchild<br />
ehm&#8230; to be fair.<br />
Black Holes don´t suck.<br />
google it</p>
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		<title>By: sedeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>sedeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a spectacular photo!  Thanks for sharing... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a spectacular photo!  Thanks for sharing&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: fluffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>fluffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I&#039;ve always wondered about galactic structure (and was actually thinking too hard about just the other day) is how much the distances involved lead to weird relativistic effects with the interactions of gravity. Is it possible that the bars (and spiral arms in general) are basically a standing wave pattern set up by the time it takes for gravity to propagate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;ve always wondered about galactic structure (and was actually thinking too hard about just the other day) is how much the distances involved lead to weird relativistic effects with the interactions of gravity. Is it possible that the bars (and spiral arms in general) are basically a standing wave pattern set up by the time it takes for gravity to propagate?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Cunniff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Cunniff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 05:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@22 Messier Tidy Upper - mostly agree, but Ouranos (Uranus) was discovered by Herschel in 1781, 20 years before 1 Ceres so it would be:

Uranus - K0 h
Ceres - K0 i
Pallas K0 j
Vesta Ko k

and then i agree with your ordering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22 Messier Tidy Upper &#8211; mostly agree, but Ouranos (Uranus) was discovered by Herschel in 1781, 20 years before 1 Ceres so it would be:</p>
<p>Uranus &#8211; K0 h<br />
Ceres &#8211; K0 i<br />
Pallas K0 j<br />
Vesta Ko k</p>
<p>and then i agree with your ordering.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again @20.20. amphiox :

 &lt;blockquote&gt; So I suppose we&#039;d call Earth KOI-0 (zero) c or maybe Kepler Zero g assuming we count the earlier classical planets &lt;i&gt;(Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn)&lt;/i&gt; as being discovered first.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Correction  - Earth would be Kepler Zero g - because i dn&#039;t know my a., c&#039;s well enough - d&#039;oh! ;-)

Kepler exoplanets listing~wise I think we&#039;d have our solar system &quot;named&quot; &lt;i&gt;(if you can call it that)&lt;/i&gt; as follows :

Sun - KOI - 0

Mercury - Kepler Zero b
Venus - Kepler Zero c
Mars - K0 d
Jupiter - Ko e
Saturn - K0 f

The first &quot;planetes&quot; &lt;i&gt;(not a typo)&lt;/i&gt; known originally as wandering stars.

Earth - K0 g

Once we knew we were one of them! Then we went on to find :

Ceres - Ko h
 Pallas - Ko i
Vesta - Ko j

Plus Juno but it and the other asteroids are insufficently round to qualify for planetary status  - as may be Pallas and Vesta too.

Ouranos - K0 k
Neptune- k0 l
 Pluto - K0 m
Haumea - K0 n
Sedna - K0 p
Makemake - Ko q
Eris  - Ko r

and so on.

Quite what they&#039;re going to do when the number of planets confirmed around a star exceeds 26 I don&#039;t know! ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again @20.20. amphiox :</p>
<blockquote><p> So I suppose we&#8217;d call Earth KOI-0 (zero) c or maybe Kepler Zero g assuming we count the earlier classical planets <i>(Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn)</i> as being discovered first.</p></blockquote>
<p>Correction  &#8211; Earth would be Kepler Zero g &#8211; because i dn&#8217;t know my a., c&#8217;s well enough &#8211; d&#8217;oh! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kepler exoplanets listing~wise I think we&#8217;d have our solar system &#8220;named&#8221; <i>(if you can call it that)</i> as follows :</p>
<p>Sun &#8211; KOI &#8211; 0</p>
<p>Mercury &#8211; Kepler Zero b<br />
Venus &#8211; Kepler Zero c<br />
Mars &#8211; K0 d<br />
Jupiter &#8211; Ko e<br />
Saturn &#8211; K0 f</p>
<p>The first &#8220;planetes&#8221; <i>(not a typo)</i> known originally as wandering stars.</p>
<p>Earth &#8211; K0 g</p>
<p>Once we knew we were one of them! Then we went on to find :</p>
<p>Ceres &#8211; Ko h<br />
 Pallas &#8211; Ko i<br />
Vesta &#8211; Ko j</p>
<p>Plus Juno but it and the other asteroids are insufficently round to qualify for planetary status  &#8211; as may be Pallas and Vesta too.</p>
<p>Ouranos &#8211; K0 k<br />
Neptune- k0 l<br />
 Pluto &#8211; K0 m<br />
Haumea &#8211; K0 n<br />
Sedna &#8211; K0 p<br />
Makemake &#8211; Ko q<br />
Eris  &#8211; Ko r</p>
<p>and so on.</p>
<p>Quite what they&#8217;re going to do when the number of planets confirmed around a star exceeds 26 I don&#8217;t know! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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