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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-480122</link>
		<dc:creator>Aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ew football. I spent my time during our household superbowl party reading up on science. I like being a nerd! 

&quot;Because the Moon has 1/6 the Earth’s gravity, lunar football would be [pretty different].&quot;

That&#039;s a good clue to the fact that there is VERY little science in Foot ball. x&#039;D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ew football. I spent my time during our household superbowl party reading up on science. I like being a nerd! </p>
<p>&#8220;Because the Moon has 1/6 the Earth’s gravity, lunar football would be [pretty different].&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good clue to the fact that there is VERY little science in Foot ball. x&#8217;D</p>
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		<title>By: JulieMTL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JulieMTL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find bowling and (now) minigolf more interesting as physics lessons because they are more accessible to more people. At a local Koz&#039;s Minibowl,  I scored mostly spares and a few strikes last two games. http://www.kozsminibowl.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find bowling and (now) minigolf more interesting as physics lessons because they are more accessible to more people. At a local Koz&#8217;s Minibowl,  I scored mostly spares and a few strikes last two games. <a href="http://www.kozsminibowl.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kozsminibowl.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-478049</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John (18) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;You play the game “on foot” instead of on horseback. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This does not wash.  Otherwise, why are games such as cricket, rounders (baseball), lacrosse, hockey, basketball, netball and so on not also called &quot;football&quot;?

After considering the comments here, it seems to me that the variants of football (AFAICT without looking into the matter in any depth) are those team sports in which every player is permitted to kick the ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John (18) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>You play the game “on foot” instead of on horseback. </p></blockquote>
<p>This does not wash.  Otherwise, why are games such as cricket, rounders (baseball), lacrosse, hockey, basketball, netball and so on not also called &#8220;football&#8221;?</p>
<p>After considering the comments here, it seems to me that the variants of football (AFAICT without looking into the matter in any depth) are those team sports in which every player is permitted to kick the ball.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-478047</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John (18) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The fact is that soccer is the only “football” game you play with your feet. Rugby football, aussie rules football, Canadian football aren’t played “with your feet”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is true.

In Europe, &quot;football&quot; refers pretty much only to soccer.

Rugby football is almost exclusively called just Rugby.

Aussie rules &quot;football&quot; seems to be a cross between Rugby and a bar-room brawl - does it count as a sport?  I don&#039;t know.  I know too little of Canadian &quot;football&quot; to make any comment about it.

I think the point worth remembering here is that there are many versions of &quot;football&quot;, but in only one version is the juxtaposition of foot and ball the default mode of play.  This is the only one that - in Europe at least - needs no prefix to distinguish it from other forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John (18) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The fact is that soccer is the only “football” game you play with your feet. Rugby football, aussie rules football, Canadian football aren’t played “with your feet”.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is true.</p>
<p>In Europe, &#8220;football&#8221; refers pretty much only to soccer.</p>
<p>Rugby football is almost exclusively called just Rugby.</p>
<p>Aussie rules &#8220;football&#8221; seems to be a cross between Rugby and a bar-room brawl &#8211; does it count as a sport?  I don&#8217;t know.  I know too little of Canadian &#8220;football&#8221; to make any comment about it.</p>
<p>I think the point worth remembering here is that there are many versions of &#8220;football&#8221;, but in only one version is the juxtaposition of foot and ball the default mode of play.  This is the only one that &#8211; in Europe at least &#8211; needs no prefix to distinguish it from other forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-478045</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TR (23) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps, but more points are scored by kicking the ball in an average NFL game than in an average professional soccer game. In last year’s NFL regular season, football players (across both conferences) kicked the ball through the uprights about a thousand times for extra points and nearly the same number of times for field goals. In fact, NFL match-ups average about 14 points scored by kicking a ball in each game. Even setting aside the fact that field goals are worth more than one point, the average NFL team kicks the ball into the goal over 7 times per game. By comparison, a review of the same season of English Premier League soccer shows those teams average just under 1.4 balls kicked into the goal each game.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey, I never said football (soccer) was worth watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TR (23) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps, but more points are scored by kicking the ball in an average NFL game than in an average professional soccer game. In last year’s NFL regular season, football players (across both conferences) kicked the ball through the uprights about a thousand times for extra points and nearly the same number of times for field goals. In fact, NFL match-ups average about 14 points scored by kicking a ball in each game. Even setting aside the fact that field goals are worth more than one point, the average NFL team kicks the ball into the goal over 7 times per game. By comparison, a review of the same season of English Premier League soccer shows those teams average just under 1.4 balls kicked into the goal each game.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, I never said football (soccer) was worth watching.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew W</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477972</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 08:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26. 
Even if you threw the ball gently, if the Earth wasn&#039;t in the way, the ball would in theory enter an orbit about the center of the Earth with the apogee (highest point in the orbit) at the highest altitude of your throw, most of the rest of its theoretical orbit would be deep inside the Earth, with the perigee (lowest point in the orbit) quite close to the center of the Earth, on the completion of one orbit it would be back at its starting point (where you threw it).
 If you threw it hard enough so that your throw was at the perigee (lowest point) of its orbit, and it rose into space after the throw, it would be in an orbit and still return to its perigee, hitting you in the back of the head an hour and a half or more later after completing one orbit.

That&#039;s the theory, in practice 1. because you&#039;re standing on the Earth and moving with the Earths rotation, you will have moved a thousand or so km as the ball does one orbit and so escape being whacked in the back of the head. 2. obviously the ball isn&#039;t going to stay in orbit if, at the lowest part of its orbit, it&#039;s traveling through the atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26.<br />
Even if you threw the ball gently, if the Earth wasn&#8217;t in the way, the ball would in theory enter an orbit about the center of the Earth with the apogee (highest point in the orbit) at the highest altitude of your throw, most of the rest of its theoretical orbit would be deep inside the Earth, with the perigee (lowest point in the orbit) quite close to the center of the Earth, on the completion of one orbit it would be back at its starting point (where you threw it).<br />
 If you threw it hard enough so that your throw was at the perigee (lowest point) of its orbit, and it rose into space after the throw, it would be in an orbit and still return to its perigee, hitting you in the back of the head an hour and a half or more later after completing one orbit.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the theory, in practice 1. because you&#8217;re standing on the Earth and moving with the Earths rotation, you will have moved a thousand or so km as the ball does one orbit and so escape being whacked in the back of the head. 2. obviously the ball isn&#8217;t going to stay in orbit if, at the lowest part of its orbit, it&#8217;s traveling through the atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Down Under</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Down Under</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, thank you for an eye-opening read, and I also appreciate the head-scratchingly good comments!

I&#039;ve tried to do the maths, but I need some help understanding why a &lt;i&gt;perfectly&lt;/i&gt; thrown spheroid (of any -lateness) wouldn&#039;t end up in some kind of orbit.

I guess I got my confusion from thinking that ANY engine firing on an orbital vehicle was only needed as an error-correcting mechanism, but apparently it&#039;s not that simple.

Any help clarifying would be much appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, thank you for an eye-opening read, and I also appreciate the head-scratchingly good comments!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to do the maths, but I need some help understanding why a <i>perfectly</i> thrown spheroid (of any -lateness) wouldn&#8217;t end up in some kind of orbit.</p>
<p>I guess I got my confusion from thinking that ANY engine firing on an orbital vehicle was only needed as an error-correcting mechanism, but apparently it&#8217;s not that simple.</p>
<p>Any help clarifying would be much appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Super Bowl Science &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Super Bowl Science &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of The Bad Astronomer: Today in America is our most revered holiday: the Superbowl. I am not particularly invested in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d call this a &quot;Nerd&#039;s Eye View&quot; of the Superbowl.  Many thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d call this a &#8220;Nerd&#8217;s Eye View&#8221; of the Superbowl.  Many thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
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		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nigel Depledge Say, &quot;the ball is not a football ‘cos it spends more time getting carried or thrown than kicked.&quot;
Perhaps, but more points are scored by kicking the ball in an average NFL game than in an average professional soccer game.  In last year’s NFL regular season, football players (across both conferences) kicked the ball through the uprights about a thousand times for extra points and nearly the same number of times for field goals. In fact, NFL match-ups average about 14 points scored by kicking a ball in each game. Even setting aside the fact that field goals are worth more than one point, the average NFL team kicks the ball into the goal over 7 times per game. By comparison, a review of the same season of English Premier League soccer shows those teams average just under 1.4 balls kicked into the goal each game.
Moreover, in 2011, about 12% of all NFL games were decided by 3 points or less, meaning, as the very least, a field goal would have changed the outcome.  It would take a pint-by-point analysis of each game to determine home many were literally decided by a field goal or extra point kick (and, given that points are fungible, such an analysis may not even be possible).  Nevertheless, it is clear that many American football games are won or lost because of a kicked ball.  However, in 2011, about 40% of all MLS games ended in a tie, which means those games were NOT won by a team kicking a ball.
So, if you go by number of players allowed to kick the ball, perhaps the name &quot;football&quot; should be used for the game Americans call &quot;soccer.&quot;  However, if you go by percentage of games won by kicking a ball, it&#039;s a little less clear which sport has a right to the name.  If you go by the number of points scored by a kicked ball, or even the number of times per game a ball is kicked into the goal, there is no doubt that the name &quot;football&quot; clearly belongs to the sport played by the NFL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nigel Depledge Say, &#8220;the ball is not a football ‘cos it spends more time getting carried or thrown than kicked.&#8221;<br />
Perhaps, but more points are scored by kicking the ball in an average NFL game than in an average professional soccer game.  In last year’s NFL regular season, football players (across both conferences) kicked the ball through the uprights about a thousand times for extra points and nearly the same number of times for field goals. In fact, NFL match-ups average about 14 points scored by kicking a ball in each game. Even setting aside the fact that field goals are worth more than one point, the average NFL team kicks the ball into the goal over 7 times per game. By comparison, a review of the same season of English Premier League soccer shows those teams average just under 1.4 balls kicked into the goal each game.<br />
Moreover, in 2011, about 12% of all NFL games were decided by 3 points or less, meaning, as the very least, a field goal would have changed the outcome.  It would take a pint-by-point analysis of each game to determine home many were literally decided by a field goal or extra point kick (and, given that points are fungible, such an analysis may not even be possible).  Nevertheless, it is clear that many American football games are won or lost because of a kicked ball.  However, in 2011, about 40% of all MLS games ended in a tie, which means those games were NOT won by a team kicking a ball.<br />
So, if you go by number of players allowed to kick the ball, perhaps the name &#8220;football&#8221; should be used for the game Americans call &#8220;soccer.&#8221;  However, if you go by percentage of games won by kicking a ball, it&#8217;s a little less clear which sport has a right to the name.  If you go by the number of points scored by a kicked ball, or even the number of times per game a ball is kicked into the goal, there is no doubt that the name &#8220;football&#8221; clearly belongs to the sport played by the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragonchild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragonchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;6) To be thrown 100 yards, a football should leave the quarterback’s hand at a 45 degree angle at 70 mph.
7) The ground speed of that throw is about 50 mph.&quot;

A bit more involved than that; that&#039;s assuming maximum efficiency where the ball basically hits the ground at x=100 yards.

I do like football, and it&#039;s largely because of the physics.  NFL defenders have good 360-degree quickness, so sometimes the ball has to be thrown IN ANTICIPATION of an opening, and deliberately thrown at much higher speed (up to and over 90mph) at a high release point (to prevent deflection) and low angle (for minimum time to target) to give the defense no time to act.  It&#039;s classic ballistics.  On a long pass, the quarterback has to adjust the speed and angle so it drops right in front of the receiver as the receiver runs down the field at full speed.  The equation is more complex.  There&#039;s little margin for error (underthrow it and the defender can steal it; overthrow it and you&#039;ve basically wasted a chance) and it takes many repetitions to get that sort of precision.  But that a human can lob the football with such location and timing just by touch is amazing.

Receiver routes (the paths guys run to catch passes) themselves involve a lot of physics.  One way to spread a defense thin is to have receivers run various distances, but it&#039;s not that simple.  If you have a guy just run a few yards forward and then wait for the &quot;long&quot; guy to run 40 yards down the field, he&#039;ll have to stop for several seconds, which is basically several seconds too long for an NFL defender to figure it out and jump in front of him in anticipation of a pass.  So you have to do various things to trick the defense and not just stand there waiting for your teammates to do their thing.  Inclement weather can make the air unstable and/or ground slippery, making certain routes impractical and thus execution more difficult.

Even tackling involves a lot of physics.  The actual tackle is wicked complex (a good one will involve a lot of angular momentum -- you rotate your target&#039;s frame around center of gravity, not just try to knock him backwards), but there&#039;s plenty to be appreciated in just pursuit angles.  That&#039;s where the defender knows when and how to run.  Too passive and the defender can&#039;t accelerate in time to catch a quick ball carrier; too aggressive and the defender can&#039;t adjust in time and basically &quot;runs himself out of the play&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;6) To be thrown 100 yards, a football should leave the quarterback’s hand at a 45 degree angle at 70 mph.<br />
7) The ground speed of that throw is about 50 mph.&#8221;</p>
<p>A bit more involved than that; that&#8217;s assuming maximum efficiency where the ball basically hits the ground at x=100 yards.</p>
<p>I do like football, and it&#8217;s largely because of the physics.  NFL defenders have good 360-degree quickness, so sometimes the ball has to be thrown IN ANTICIPATION of an opening, and deliberately thrown at much higher speed (up to and over 90mph) at a high release point (to prevent deflection) and low angle (for minimum time to target) to give the defense no time to act.  It&#8217;s classic ballistics.  On a long pass, the quarterback has to adjust the speed and angle so it drops right in front of the receiver as the receiver runs down the field at full speed.  The equation is more complex.  There&#8217;s little margin for error (underthrow it and the defender can steal it; overthrow it and you&#8217;ve basically wasted a chance) and it takes many repetitions to get that sort of precision.  But that a human can lob the football with such location and timing just by touch is amazing.</p>
<p>Receiver routes (the paths guys run to catch passes) themselves involve a lot of physics.  One way to spread a defense thin is to have receivers run various distances, but it&#8217;s not that simple.  If you have a guy just run a few yards forward and then wait for the &#8220;long&#8221; guy to run 40 yards down the field, he&#8217;ll have to stop for several seconds, which is basically several seconds too long for an NFL defender to figure it out and jump in front of him in anticipation of a pass.  So you have to do various things to trick the defense and not just stand there waiting for your teammates to do their thing.  Inclement weather can make the air unstable and/or ground slippery, making certain routes impractical and thus execution more difficult.</p>
<p>Even tackling involves a lot of physics.  The actual tackle is wicked complex (a good one will involve a lot of angular momentum &#8212; you rotate your target&#8217;s frame around center of gravity, not just try to knock him backwards), but there&#8217;s plenty to be appreciated in just pursuit angles.  That&#8217;s where the defender knows when and how to run.  Too passive and the defender can&#8217;t accelerate in time to catch a quick ball carrier; too aggressive and the defender can&#8217;t adjust in time and basically &#8220;runs himself out of the play&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: One Eyed Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Eyed Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to take issue with you on the &quot;half time comment&quot;, Phil.

We are not at the end of the Universe, so we don&#039;t know when half time is. From the little astronomy that this chemist knows, I don&#039;t think we&#039;re even out of the first quarter.

Wait, are you assuming the 2012 doomsdayers are correct? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to take issue with you on the &#8220;half time comment&#8221;, Phil.</p>
<p>We are not at the end of the Universe, so we don&#8217;t know when half time is. From the little astronomy that this chemist knows, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re even out of the first quarter.</p>
<p>Wait, are you assuming the 2012 doomsdayers are correct? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@scot 

Don&#039;t judge rugby on that Scotland v England game, it was one of the worst games I&#039;ve seen in years.</description>
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<p>Don&#8217;t judge rugby on that Scotland v England game, it was one of the worst games I&#8217;ve seen in years.</p>
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		<title>By: Larian LeQuella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larian LeQuella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh well.  Seems that the Pats can get to the Super Bowl, they just have a hard time winning them...

By the way, did anyone catch today&#039;s SMBC?  Made me smile.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well.  Seems that the Pats can get to the Super Bowl, they just have a hard time winning them&#8230;</p>
<p>By the way, did anyone catch today&#8217;s SMBC?  Made me smile.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477463</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2crudedudes: You score field goals with your feet. You play the game &quot;on foot&quot; instead of on horseback. 

The fact is that soccer is the only &quot;football&quot; game you play with your feet. Rugby football, aussie rules football, Canadian football aren&#039;t played &quot;with your feet&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2crudedudes: You score field goals with your feet. You play the game &#8220;on foot&#8221; instead of on horseback. </p>
<p>The fact is that soccer is the only &#8220;football&#8221; game you play with your feet. Rugby football, aussie rules football, Canadian football aren&#8217;t played &#8220;with your feet&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: 2crudedudes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477461</link>
		<dc:creator>2crudedudes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David

That still doesn&#039;t explain why Americans call a game that&#039;s not played with your feet &quot;football&quot;</description>
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<p>That still doesn&#8217;t explain why Americans call a game that&#8217;s not played with your feet &#8220;football&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David H.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477455</link>
		<dc:creator>David H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 11:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel, don&#039;t blame Americans for calling football &quot;soccer&quot;--the Brits came up with the name first as an abbreviation of &quot;association football.&quot; The US kept the name while the Brits went back to &quot;football&quot; as the main name.

So &quot;some weird reason&quot; - blame the British.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel, don&#8217;t blame Americans for calling football &#8220;soccer&#8221;&#8211;the Brits came up with the name first as an abbreviation of &#8220;association football.&#8221; The US kept the name while the Brits went back to &#8220;football&#8221; as the main name.</p>
<p>So &#8220;some weird reason&#8221; &#8211; blame the British.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477448</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fun article, but of course you know that David Masten is right that aerodynamic effects on a thrown football are not as trivial as you seemed to imply (unless you actually could play the game in a virtual vacuum as on the Moon&#039;s surface).  I&#039;m sure that to achieve maximum horizontal throwing distance, the optimum throwing angle is somewhat less than 45 degrees from the horizontal and probably also depends, in part, on the initial throwing speed.  An experienced and successful quarterback has obviously learned to automatically optimize both his throwing angle and throwing speed to hit his target at any given distance.  It&#039;s really quite remarkable when you realize that the minds of both thrower and receiver are subconsciously and nearly instantaneously performing the equivalent of fairly advanced calculus to enable them to anticipate where the &quot;prolate spheroid&quot; is going and how to intercept it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun article, but of course you know that David Masten is right that aerodynamic effects on a thrown football are not as trivial as you seemed to imply (unless you actually could play the game in a virtual vacuum as on the Moon&#8217;s surface).  I&#8217;m sure that to achieve maximum horizontal throwing distance, the optimum throwing angle is somewhat less than 45 degrees from the horizontal and probably also depends, in part, on the initial throwing speed.  An experienced and successful quarterback has obviously learned to automatically optimize both his throwing angle and throwing speed to hit his target at any given distance.  It&#8217;s really quite remarkable when you realize that the minds of both thrower and receiver are subconsciously and nearly instantaneously performing the equivalent of fairly advanced calculus to enable them to anticipate where the &#8220;prolate spheroid&#8221; is going and how to intercept it!</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477436</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the ball is not a football &#039;cos it spends more time getting carried or thrown than kicked.

Football is a game in which ten out of the eleven players on each team are not allowed to use their hands &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt;.  For some weird reason, you USAians call that game soccer, and your version of rugby you call football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the ball is not a football &#8216;cos it spends more time getting carried or thrown than kicked.</p>
<p>Football is a game in which ten out of the eleven players on each team are not allowed to use their hands <i>at all</i>.  For some weird reason, you USAians call that game soccer, and your version of rugby you call football.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477417</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 09:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, howsabout that team eh? Yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, howsabout that team eh? Yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: David Masten</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477300</link>
		<dc:creator>David Masten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The football trajectory equations neglect aerodynamic effects? Lift and drag play a huge roll in throwing a football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The football trajectory equations neglect aerodynamic effects? Lift and drag play a huge roll in throwing a football.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve D</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477269</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 03:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you can&#039;t throw things into orbit. But the &quot;parabola&quot; traveled by a football is actually the end of an elongated ellipse with the center of the earth as its focus. So anything traveling a ballistic path is in an elliptical orbit until the earth interferes with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you can&#8217;t throw things into orbit. But the &#8220;parabola&#8221; traveled by a football is actually the end of an elongated ellipse with the center of the earth as its focus. So anything traveling a ballistic path is in an elliptical orbit until the earth interferes with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477261</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 02:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t throw stuff into orbit, you&#039;d need an extra burn at apogee or the ball would come right back to where you threw it, and hit you in the back of the head... well, further back because of air resistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t throw stuff into orbit, you&#8217;d need an extra burn at apogee or the ball would come right back to where you threw it, and hit you in the back of the head&#8230; well, further back because of air resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Plait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477258</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Plait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 02:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara Li - Yeah, I caught that and corrected it. :) Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara Li &#8211; Yeah, I caught that and corrected it. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tara Li</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/05/superbowl-science-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-477256</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 02:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought if you threw that football at 7 miles/sec, it would probably end up in *solar* orbit, not terran orbit, as it exceeds the Earth&#039;s escape velocity.  (All simplifying assumptions applied).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought if you threw that football at 7 miles/sec, it would probably end up in *solar* orbit, not terran orbit, as it exceeds the Earth&#8217;s escape velocity.  (All simplifying assumptions applied).</p>
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