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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/08/funhouse-galaxy/comment-page-1/#comment-499094</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction for MTU (@24) re Puzzled Al (@22): While gravitational redshift is a phenomenon, it occurs when you observe something that&#039;s at a lower gravitational potential (i.e. deeper in a gravity well) than you. Since the light started at mere stars and is received by us near a mere star, there&#039;s too little difference in GP to change the wavelength anywhere near as much as the inflationary redshift, or even noticeably. The lensing really has nothing to do with that, since the light will come back &quot;up&quot; after going &quot;down&quot; into the galaxy cluster&#039;s gravity well.

The frequency of a photon will change by a factor of &lt;i&gt;e&lt;/i&gt; when the photon traverses a gravitational potential difference of &lt;i&gt;c&lt;/i&gt;^2. That is, &lt;i&gt;f1/f0 = e^(ΔGP/c^2)&lt;/i&gt;. If we observed light from the sun at an infinite distance (so that our GP is 0), the change in frequency would be a factor of e^((-GM/r)/(c^2)) = 0.999999783 (where M and r are the mass and radius of the sun).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction for MTU (@24) re Puzzled Al (@22): While gravitational redshift is a phenomenon, it occurs when you observe something that&#8217;s at a lower gravitational potential (i.e. deeper in a gravity well) than you. Since the light started at mere stars and is received by us near a mere star, there&#8217;s too little difference in GP to change the wavelength anywhere near as much as the inflationary redshift, or even noticeably. The lensing really has nothing to do with that, since the light will come back &#8220;up&#8221; after going &#8220;down&#8221; into the galaxy cluster&#8217;s gravity well.</p>
<p>The frequency of a photon will change by a factor of <i>e</i> when the photon traverses a gravitational potential difference of <i>c</i>^2. That is, <i>f1/f0 = e^(ΔGP/c^2)</i>. If we observed light from the sun at an infinite distance (so that our GP is 0), the change in frequency would be a factor of e^((-GM/r)/(c^2)) = 0.999999783 (where M and r are the mass and radius of the sun).</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/08/funhouse-galaxy/comment-page-1/#comment-479687</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20.   JB of Brisbane &amp; #21.   Neil Haggath : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;@Messier #17 – wasn’t that the Blue Flame (Gary Gabelich, 1973)? Blue Streak was the abortive British ICBM project.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oops.  Of course! Yes, that&#039;s the one I meant. Sorry. (Blushes.) :-(

(Wiki-page now linked to my name here.) 

@22.   Puzzled Al : Not stupid questions at all.  Matt (#23) is correct though I think. There is a gravitational redshift as well as the distance-light travel time one but if my possibly unreliable &lt;i&gt;(example above)&lt;/i&gt; memory serves, it &#039;s only noticeable for supermassive objects, eg. Galactic Black Holes. 

@18.   don gisselbeck : Indeed although I think the challenge is too much for them - ditto on why they&#039;d listen to him about exoplanets, meteor showers &amp; astrophysics more generally. Science works people.  Everywhere. 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20.   JB of Brisbane &amp; #21.   Neil Haggath : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>@Messier #17 – wasn’t that the Blue Flame (Gary Gabelich, 1973)? Blue Streak was the abortive British ICBM project.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Oops.  Of course! Yes, that&#8217;s the one I meant. Sorry. (Blushes.) <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Wiki-page now linked to my name here.) </p>
<p>@22.   Puzzled Al : Not stupid questions at all.  Matt (#23) is correct though I think. There is a gravitational redshift as well as the distance-light travel time one but if my possibly unreliable <i>(example above)</i> memory serves, it &#8216;s only noticeable for supermassive objects, eg. Galactic Black Holes. </p>
<p>@18.   don gisselbeck : Indeed although I think the challenge is too much for them &#8211; ditto on why they&#8217;d listen to him about exoplanets, meteor showers &amp; astrophysics more generally. Science works people.  Everywhere. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bent path of the ligh IS the shortest path to us. Spacee is distorted by the gravity of the galexy cluster. Its just that our limited ability and our constraints about thinking in Euclidean three dimensions is hard to shed, so we think of the shortest distance as what we would think of as &quot;line of sight&quot; in non-distorted space.

Anyway, Mother Nature is full of wonderfull things. This is pretty cool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bent path of the ligh IS the shortest path to us. Spacee is distorted by the gravity of the galexy cluster. Its just that our limited ability and our constraints about thinking in Euclidean three dimensions is hard to shed, so we think of the shortest distance as what we would think of as &#8220;line of sight&#8221; in non-distorted space.</p>
<p>Anyway, Mother Nature is full of wonderfull things. This is pretty cool!</p>
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		<title>By: Puzzled Al</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/08/funhouse-galaxy/comment-page-1/#comment-479432</link>
		<dc:creator>Puzzled Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a galaxy is lensed then the light from that galaxy must travel farther than if had made a beeline to us. Would that have an effect on the perceived wavelengths of light? Is there a lot of lensing between us and billions of light years away? If wavelengths shift, could it be that this accounts for the red shift of distant entities? If that were true, could this have implications about an expanding Universe, the Big Bang, etc? Are these really stupid questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a galaxy is lensed then the light from that galaxy must travel farther than if had made a beeline to us. Would that have an effect on the perceived wavelengths of light? Is there a lot of lensing between us and billions of light years away? If wavelengths shift, could it be that this accounts for the red shift of distant entities? If that were true, could this have implications about an expanding Universe, the Big Bang, etc? Are these really stupid questions?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20 JB:
Correct.</description>
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Correct.</p>
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		<title>By: JB of Brisbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB of Brisbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Messier #17 - wasn&#039;t that the Blue Flame (Gary Gabelich, 1973)? Blue Streak was the abortive British ICBM project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Messier #17 &#8211; wasn&#8217;t that the Blue Flame (Gary Gabelich, 1973)? Blue Streak was the abortive British ICBM project.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul A.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/08/funhouse-galaxy/comment-page-1/#comment-479181</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t quite convinced that gravity could bend space and gravitational lensing existed until I saw this picture.</description>
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		<title>By: don gisselbeck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/08/funhouse-galaxy/comment-page-1/#comment-479145</link>
		<dc:creator>don gisselbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see some AGW denier explain precisely why I should believe Phil on gravitational lensing but not on global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see some AGW denier explain precisely why I should believe Phil on gravitational lensing but not on global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/08/funhouse-galaxy/comment-page-1/#comment-479093</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued @ 13. Sili :  I&#039;ve tried to find that galaxy cluster&#039;s mass but had no luck. My google-fu has failed me, alas. :-(

Anyone else know?

@8.   Acronym Jim : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Ah, so maybe the main “easter egg” in Holbein’s painting, “The Ambassadors” wasn’t an anamorph. It was just warped by the gravity produced by the apparently massive egos of the titular subjects.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

LOL. Interesting, neat, painting. Cheers. :-) 

@4.   Scott P. : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I seem to see a second distorted galaxy — just left of center, about a third of the way up. Anyone else see it?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not sure. I see a few blue streaks+ which may or may not be part of the same untangled lensed galaxy we&#039;re already discussing and what looks like a distorted and very blue barred spiral directly in line above the brightest elliptical of the cluster. Is that the one you were meaning?  

*****
 
+ Blue streaks NOT meaning the eponymous historic world land speed record setting rocket  car! ;-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued @ 13. Sili :  I&#8217;ve tried to find that galaxy cluster&#8217;s mass but had no luck. My google-fu has failed me, alas. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyone else know?</p>
<p>@8.   Acronym Jim : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Ah, so maybe the main “easter egg” in Holbein’s painting, “The Ambassadors” wasn’t an anamorph. It was just warped by the gravity produced by the apparently massive egos of the titular subjects.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>LOL. Interesting, neat, painting. Cheers. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@4.   Scott P. : </p>
<blockquote><p><i>I seem to see a second distorted galaxy — just left of center, about a third of the way up. Anyone else see it?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Not sure. I see a few blue streaks+ which may or may not be part of the same untangled lensed galaxy we&#8217;re already discussing and what looks like a distorted and very blue barred spiral directly in line above the brightest elliptical of the cluster. Is that the one you were meaning?  </p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>+ Blue streaks NOT meaning the eponymous historic world land speed record setting rocket  car! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frank Snively</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Snively</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer to Thaneb&#039;s question:

With very few exceptions, there will be no dispersion. The light follows a (null) geodesic through space-time, and since that is an inherent property of space, any light must follow the same path.  Of course, intervening matter along the path (not the matter that is bending the light - that is somewhere else, in the cluster of galaxies) would affect the propagation a little bit; it is safe to assume there isn&#039;t much matter along the geodesics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer to Thaneb&#8217;s question:</p>
<p>With very few exceptions, there will be no dispersion. The light follows a (null) geodesic through space-time, and since that is an inherent property of space, any light must follow the same path.  Of course, intervening matter along the path (not the matter that is bending the light &#8211; that is somewhere else, in the cluster of galaxies) would affect the propagation a little bit; it is safe to assume there isn&#8217;t much matter along the geodesics.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great photo - love it. :-) 

@13.   Sili :  &lt;i&gt;&quot;How much mass in the lens?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Could be mistaken but I&#039;d say the mass of the cluster - galaxy cluster RCS2 032727-132623 - however much that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great photo &#8211; love it. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@13.   Sili :  <i>&#8220;How much mass in the lens?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Could be mistaken but I&#8217;d say the mass of the cluster &#8211; galaxy cluster RCS2 032727-132623 &#8211; however much that is.</p>
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		<title>By: DrFlimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrFlimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #12 bouch

You are right. The galaxy is (more or less) exactly behind the cluster. However, the cluster is much brighter than the background galaxy (its twice as far away as the cluster) and therefore invisible. The arcs are amplified a lot, as Phil explained, by the lens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #12 bouch</p>
<p>You are right. The galaxy is (more or less) exactly behind the cluster. However, the cluster is much brighter than the background galaxy (its twice as far away as the cluster) and therefore invisible. The arcs are amplified a lot, as Phil explained, by the lens.</p>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much mass in the lens?</description>
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		<title>By: bouch</title>
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		<dc:creator>bouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone tell me where that galaxy ACTUALLY is in that photo?  If it appears to be in 3 places, I would think it would be somewhere in the middle, but I&#039;ve got no clue if that&#039;s actually the case...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone tell me where that galaxy ACTUALLY is in that photo?  If it appears to be in 3 places, I would think it would be somewhere in the middle, but I&#8217;ve got no clue if that&#8217;s actually the case&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@6Arthur Maruyama: I think I recall many years ago that a quasar had multiple images around some galaxy and that the variations in its radio emission were repeated in the various images after a time delay of only months.

In any event, lensed galaxies like these should definitely be put on a supernova watch, if only because of the magnification of the light that will make detailed spectral studies of the progress of the supernova much easier to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@6Arthur Maruyama: I think I recall many years ago that a quasar had multiple images around some galaxy and that the variations in its radio emission were repeated in the various images after a time delay of only months.</p>
<p>In any event, lensed galaxies like these should definitely be put on a supernova watch, if only because of the magnification of the light that will make detailed spectral studies of the progress of the supernova much easier to make.</p>
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		<title>By: thaneb</title>
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		<dc:creator>thaneb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does gravitational lensing exhibit dispersion of the constituent wavelengths/particles akin to a prism or diffraction grating? If so, is it used to study physical/chemical characteristics of the source?</description>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course if one wanted a nice speculative image of what this distant galaxy looked like, we could have an artist&#039;s rendition - (which is fine since space artists need work) - and it would show a spiral galaxy with lots of new star development. 

But on a scientific level, I wonder if there could be such a thing as a sophisticated, lens distortion deciphering program, based on a considerable back catalog of optical knowledge. Rather than stitch together fragmentary portions of the image, could such a computer program reconstruct images by reversing the distortions of the actual visual data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course if one wanted a nice speculative image of what this distant galaxy looked like, we could have an artist&#8217;s rendition &#8211; (which is fine since space artists need work) &#8211; and it would show a spiral galaxy with lots of new star development. </p>
<p>But on a scientific level, I wonder if there could be such a thing as a sophisticated, lens distortion deciphering program, based on a considerable back catalog of optical knowledge. Rather than stitch together fragmentary portions of the image, could such a computer program reconstruct images by reversing the distortions of the actual visual data?</p>
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		<title>By: Acronym Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acronym Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, so maybe the main &quot;easter egg&quot; in Holbein&#039;s painting, &quot;The Ambassadors&quot; wasn&#039;t an anamorph. It was just warped by the gravity produced by the apparently massive egos of the titular subjects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambassadors_(Holbein)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, so maybe the main &#8220;easter egg&#8221; in Holbein&#8217;s painting, &#8220;The Ambassadors&#8221; wasn&#8217;t an anamorph. It was just warped by the gravity produced by the apparently massive egos of the titular subjects.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambassadors_(Holbein)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambassadors_(Holbein)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Maruyama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur Maruyama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pete Jackson

True (and thanks--your idea didn&#039;t occur to me), but considering the space-time scale involved the delay between some of the gravity-lensed images is probably more in terms of thousands or even (tens of?) millions of years.</description>
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<p>True (and thanks&#8211;your idea didn&#8217;t occur to me), but considering the space-time scale involved the delay between some of the gravity-lensed images is probably more in terms of thousands or even (tens of?) millions of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The separate images will all have slightly different time delays, so that if you see a supernova go off in one image, then, after months or years, you&#039;ll get a replay of the supernova in the other images!

Fantastic picture, BA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The separate images will all have slightly different time delays, so that if you see a supernova go off in one image, then, after months or years, you&#8217;ll get a replay of the supernova in the other images!</p>
<p>Fantastic picture, BA!</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure your analogy is that useful.  Photons don&#039;t have steering wheels.

As a road dips and turns, you have to make the car turn to follow it.

Perhaps a bicycle in a velodrome is a better analogy.  Or a motorbike on a Wall of Death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure your analogy is that useful.  Photons don&#8217;t have steering wheels.</p>
<p>As a road dips and turns, you have to make the car turn to follow it.</p>
<p>Perhaps a bicycle in a velodrome is a better analogy.  Or a motorbike on a Wall of Death.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to see a second distorted galaxy -- just left of center, about a third of the way up. Anyone else see it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to see a second distorted galaxy &#8212; just left of center, about a third of the way up. Anyone else see it?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing this image makes me chuckle a bit, remembering my days at Hubble (late 80s-early 90s) when there was still a pretty spirited debate going on about whether these &quot;galaxy arcs&quot; were due to gravitational lensing, or whether they were tidal tails from galaxy collisions.  Not much doubt any more, thanks to images like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing this image makes me chuckle a bit, remembering my days at Hubble (late 80s-early 90s) when there was still a pretty spirited debate going on about whether these &#8220;galaxy arcs&#8221; were due to gravitational lensing, or whether they were tidal tails from galaxy collisions.  Not much doubt any more, thanks to images like this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might all be very silly - I&#039;m a programmer, not an astronomer :).  But wouldn&#039;t that lensed galaxy be 3x better as an observational target for things like supernovae than any other galaxy?  

I&#039;m guessing that the different lensing paths are different lengths, so we can watch that galaxy over 3 or more different time windows for the price of one observation.

Of course, the downside is the distortion.

Actually, couldn&#039;t radio telescopes time some pulsars in the different reflections and figure out the length differences of the lensing paths from the pulsar timing differences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might all be very silly &#8211; I&#8217;m a programmer, not an astronomer <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  But wouldn&#8217;t that lensed galaxy be 3x better as an observational target for things like supernovae than any other galaxy?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that the different lensing paths are different lengths, so we can watch that galaxy over 3 or more different time windows for the price of one observation.</p>
<p>Of course, the downside is the distortion.</p>
<p>Actually, couldn&#8217;t radio telescopes time some pulsars in the different reflections and figure out the length differences of the lensing paths from the pulsar timing differences?</p>
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		<title>By: Larian LeQuella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larian LeQuella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, your opening line reminded me of Sam the Photon.  :)

http://www.stonemakerargument.com/4.html

Although, I don&#039;t think Sam&#039;s journey was nearly as exciting as this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, your opening line reminded me of Sam the Photon.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.stonemakerargument.com/4.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stonemakerargument.com/4.html</a></p>
<p>Although, I don&#8217;t think Sam&#8217;s journey was nearly as exciting as this one.</p>
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