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	<title>Comments on: Breaking news: Heartland leaker is scientist Peter Gleick, says documents are all real</title>
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		<title>By: sHx</title>
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		<dc:creator>sHx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the latest:

&lt;blockquote&gt;So, it turns out that Heartland was behind the Heartland leak after all.

The evidence seems to suggest that Heartland&#039;s Joe Bast wrote a memo, then he and/or Heartland-symp blogger Steven Mosher sent it secretly to Peter Gleick. Peter Gleick then obtained additional material from Heartland, which came to him at his request but all to easily to be explained as a mere oversight on the part of some administrative or secretarial staff. The only thing missing here is evidence that Bast or Mosher or someone suggested to Peter that he verify the memo by asking for related documents from Heartland. But that would be too easy.

Anyway, it now seems clear that the document, the allegedly faked internal strategy memo with the most damning text in it (but nothing really different from what is shown in other verified Heartland documents) was fed to Gleick, presumably in an effort to engineer his downfall as an incipient board member of the National Center for Science Education.

Brilliant. Heartland: 1 ... NCSE: 0 
...
-http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/heartland-1_ncse-0.php#more
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So it is conspiracy after all. Peter Gleick never wrote the fake document, and man never walked on the moon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the latest:</p>
<blockquote><p>So, it turns out that Heartland was behind the Heartland leak after all.</p>
<p>The evidence seems to suggest that Heartland&#8217;s Joe Bast wrote a memo, then he and/or Heartland-symp blogger Steven Mosher sent it secretly to Peter Gleick. Peter Gleick then obtained additional material from Heartland, which came to him at his request but all to easily to be explained as a mere oversight on the part of some administrative or secretarial staff. The only thing missing here is evidence that Bast or Mosher or someone suggested to Peter that he verify the memo by asking for related documents from Heartland. But that would be too easy.</p>
<p>Anyway, it now seems clear that the document, the allegedly faked internal strategy memo with the most damning text in it (but nothing really different from what is shown in other verified Heartland documents) was fed to Gleick, presumably in an effort to engineer his downfall as an incipient board member of the National Center for Science Education.</p>
<p>Brilliant. Heartland: 1 &#8230; NCSE: 0<br />
&#8230;<br />
-http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/heartland-1_ncse-0.php#more
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<p>So it is conspiracy after all. Peter Gleick never wrote the fake document, and man never walked on the moon.</p>
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		<title>By: Abraxas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abraxas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A reasonable person can conclude that someone willing to risk breaking the law would not be above outright fraud as well. That makes the key memo suspect.&quot;

Weird! You weren&#039;t here writing that when some anonymous hacker stole the &quot;climategate&quot; e mails. All this concern for the Heartland heartbreakers&#039; honesty is mere concern trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A reasonable person can conclude that someone willing to risk breaking the law would not be above outright fraud as well. That makes the key memo suspect.&#8221;</p>
<p>Weird! You weren&#8217;t here writing that when some anonymous hacker stole the &#8220;climategate&#8221; e mails. All this concern for the Heartland heartbreakers&#8217; honesty is mere concern trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 02:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
   This isn&#039;t about Heartland, as I doubt anyone here (me included) gives a damn about them. By doing what he did, Gleick has made himself the issue. They became the victim of a social engineering attack, with Gleick as the identity thief. A reasonable person can conclude that someone willing to risk breaking the law would not be above outright fraud as well. That makes the key memo suspect. He has hurt the cause because he will now be used as exhibit A when those skeptical of AGW discuss the ethics and honesty of AGW proponents. Defending his actions does not help either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
   This isn&#8217;t about Heartland, as I doubt anyone here (me included) gives a damn about them. By doing what he did, Gleick has made himself the issue. They became the victim of a social engineering attack, with Gleick as the identity thief. A reasonable person can conclude that someone willing to risk breaking the law would not be above outright fraud as well. That makes the key memo suspect. He has hurt the cause because he will now be used as exhibit A when those skeptical of AGW discuss the ethics and honesty of AGW proponents. Defending his actions does not help either.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/21/breaking-news-heartland-leaker-is-scientist-peter-gleick-says-documents-are-all-real/comment-page-4/#comment-486734</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come to light? The Heartland insitute was entirely open about what they do.

On second hand smoke (2007)
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2007/11/01/wheres-consensus-secondhand-smoke

Asbestos (2002)
http://heartland.org/editorial/2002/09/22/testimony-asbestos-litigation-0

Inconvient Truth (2006)
http://heartland.org/policy-documents/july-2006-inconvenient-truth-about-al-gore

These are all displayed on their site. How can anyone consider them hidden?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to light? The Heartland insitute was entirely open about what they do.</p>
<p>On second hand smoke (2007)<br />
<a href="http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2007/11/01/wheres-consensus-secondhand-smoke" rel="nofollow">http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2007/11/01/wheres-consensus-secondhand-smoke</a></p>
<p>Asbestos (2002)<br />
<a href="http://heartland.org/editorial/2002/09/22/testimony-asbestos-litigation-0" rel="nofollow">http://heartland.org/editorial/2002/09/22/testimony-asbestos-litigation-0</a></p>
<p>Inconvient Truth (2006)<br />
<a href="http://heartland.org/policy-documents/july-2006-inconvenient-truth-about-al-gore" rel="nofollow">http://heartland.org/policy-documents/july-2006-inconvenient-truth-about-al-gore</a></p>
<p>These are all displayed on their site. How can anyone consider them hidden?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Metzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Metzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Heartland Institute: spitting in the face of humanity since its inception. How can anyone condone what they do? But now that what they do (for any corporate sponsor that will pony up) has come to light... oh, look... all the libertarians come rushing out of the woodwork to defend them. Well, a big *pfft!* to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Heartland Institute: spitting in the face of humanity since its inception. How can anyone condone what they do? But now that what they do (for any corporate sponsor that will pony up) has come to light&#8230; oh, look&#8230; all the libertarians come rushing out of the woodwork to defend them. Well, a big *pfft!* to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;@162. Jorge c. Said, ” PETER GLEICK IS THE FAKER!!!!!”

……………………………

Sheez, my eyes hurt.

How did you ever come to the conclusion that Gleick is a faker? While there are some questions about his behaviour, being a fake is not one of them. If anything, he himself says that he did what he did in order to confirm that Heartland is the source of the documents.

He put himself on the line to confirm that what he was presenting was not fake, that what he, himself, received from Heartland was the real deal.

Take your head out of the sand and give it a shake.&quot;

Well let&#039;s see. Gleick has already admitted to doing something that is legally a crime in some places (identity theft to execute a social engineering hack), so it isn&#039;t completely unreasonable to think that he may have (in an &quot;ends justifies the means&quot; sort of way) also  actually used those documents he social engineered to create another (more damaging) document. Since that damaging document is the one document he didn&#039;t get from Heartland directly (heck of an oversight for a would be social engineer), it&#039;s the one document that can not be confirmed as being real. Hmmm, what a coincidence.

You see, that&#039;s the way most people are going to see it. If he was willing to lie about A because he&#039;s a believer, he might just be willing to lie about B. The authenticity of document is now very much in question. Declaring it a fake is not as unreasonable as some seem to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@162. Jorge c. Said, ” PETER GLEICK IS THE FAKER!!!!!”</p>
<p>……………………………</p>
<p>Sheez, my eyes hurt.</p>
<p>How did you ever come to the conclusion that Gleick is a faker? While there are some questions about his behaviour, being a fake is not one of them. If anything, he himself says that he did what he did in order to confirm that Heartland is the source of the documents.</p>
<p>He put himself on the line to confirm that what he was presenting was not fake, that what he, himself, received from Heartland was the real deal.</p>
<p>Take your head out of the sand and give it a shake.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well let&#8217;s see. Gleick has already admitted to doing something that is legally a crime in some places (identity theft to execute a social engineering hack), so it isn&#8217;t completely unreasonable to think that he may have (in an &#8220;ends justifies the means&#8221; sort of way) also  actually used those documents he social engineered to create another (more damaging) document. Since that damaging document is the one document he didn&#8217;t get from Heartland directly (heck of an oversight for a would be social engineer), it&#8217;s the one document that can not be confirmed as being real. Hmmm, what a coincidence.</p>
<p>You see, that&#8217;s the way most people are going to see it. If he was willing to lie about A because he&#8217;s a believer, he might just be willing to lie about B. The authenticity of document is now very much in question. Declaring it a fake is not as unreasonable as some seem to think.</p>
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		<title>By: Undeniable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Undeniable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rarely visit this blog these days (too much hot air) but: [In the voice of The Simpson&#039;s Nelson] &quot;HA-ha&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely visit this blog these days (too much hot air) but: [In the voice of The Simpson's Nelson] &#8220;HA-ha&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to hear from the chief of climatology at MIT, again.  The last time he talked in Washington (Dummy Center, not the state), Al Gore called him a shill for the oil companies.  Mr. Gore is always known for all his excellent insights into science history and issues ... NOT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to hear from the chief of climatology at MIT, again.  The last time he talked in Washington (Dummy Center, not the state), Al Gore called him a shill for the oil companies.  Mr. Gore is always known for all his excellent insights into science history and issues &#8230; NOT!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;strategy memo&#039; is a fake.  All the evidence points to it.

And as it is the only document among the released that illustrates any smoking gun, there is no need for Heartland to defend anything.

This is all about Peter Gleick and the Alarmists&#039; attempts to discredit global warming skeptics through lies and forgeries.

Game, set, match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;strategy memo&#8217; is a fake.  All the evidence points to it.</p>
<p>And as it is the only document among the released that illustrates any smoking gun, there is no need for Heartland to defend anything.</p>
<p>This is all about Peter Gleick and the Alarmists&#8217; attempts to discredit global warming skeptics through lies and forgeries.</p>
<p>Game, set, match.</p>
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		<title>By: Holms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@175
Myopic? As in, I should act on the assumption that all data is suspect unless it agrees with the AGW version on which I happen to have settled? I see you subscribe to the &#039;ends justify the means&#039; school of thought. I take it then that I should excuse any untoward behaviour provided the person doing it shares my ideology? 

Utter bilge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@175<br />
Myopic? As in, I should act on the assumption that all data is suspect unless it agrees with the AGW version on which I happen to have settled? I see you subscribe to the &#8216;ends justify the means&#8217; school of thought. I take it then that I should excuse any untoward behaviour provided the person doing it shares my ideology? </p>
<p>Utter bilge.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only 1.3 million came from corporations. Additionally only a quarter of their budget went to global warming issues. So no, not a fossil fuel front.

http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/(1-15-2012)%202012%20Heartland%20Budget%20(2).pdf

(169)Messier Tidy Upper
&quot;Congress has a group set to investigate this affair or at least some elements of it. &quot;

No
1) A congressmen wants to investigate Indur Goklany for conflict of interest.
2)Heartland openly lists him as a contributor, which suggests what he is doing isn&#039;t illegal
http://heartland.org/indur-goklany

&quot;Apparently one careful study by Brendan DeMille and Richard Littlemore has concluded the heartland memo they claim is faked is not.&quot;

Meanwhile people who believed they were fake were able to (correctly) predict Gleick was the leak because of the characterists of the document. In science this is called predictive power.

(162) Ron1
&quot;How did you ever come to the conclusion that Gleick is a faker? While there are some questions about his behaviour, being a fake is not one of them. If anything, he himself says that he did what he did in order to confirm that Heartland is the source of the documents.
 
He put himself on the line to confirm that what he was presenting was not fake, that what he, himself, received from Heartland was the real deal.&quot;

WRONG. Gleick said the anonymous document and the documents he requested from HI weren&#039;t fakes. He never said he released the anonymous document. Writing a fake document is perfectly consistent with what he said.

Read what the man and his lawyer said, not what you want him to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 1.3 million came from corporations. Additionally only a quarter of their budget went to global warming issues. So no, not a fossil fuel front.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/(1-15-2012)%202012%20Heartland%20Budget%20(2).pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/(1-15-2012)%202012%20Heartland%20Budget%20(2).pdf</a></p>
<p>(169)Messier Tidy Upper<br />
&#8220;Congress has a group set to investigate this affair or at least some elements of it. &#8221;</p>
<p>No<br />
1) A congressmen wants to investigate Indur Goklany for conflict of interest.<br />
2)Heartland openly lists him as a contributor, which suggests what he is doing isn&#8217;t illegal<br />
<a href="http://heartland.org/indur-goklany" rel="nofollow">http://heartland.org/indur-goklany</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Apparently one careful study by Brendan DeMille and Richard Littlemore has concluded the heartland memo they claim is faked is not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile people who believed they were fake were able to (correctly) predict Gleick was the leak because of the characterists of the document. In science this is called predictive power.</p>
<p>(162) Ron1<br />
&#8220;How did you ever come to the conclusion that Gleick is a faker? While there are some questions about his behaviour, being a fake is not one of them. If anything, he himself says that he did what he did in order to confirm that Heartland is the source of the documents.</p>
<p>He put himself on the line to confirm that what he was presenting was not fake, that what he, himself, received from Heartland was the real deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>WRONG. Gleick said the anonymous document and the documents he requested from HI weren&#8217;t fakes. He never said he released the anonymous document. Writing a fake document is perfectly consistent with what he said.</p>
<p>Read what the man and his lawyer said, not what you want him to say.</p>
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		<title>By: ray4ausa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ray4ausa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Heartland Institute is nothing but a front for fossil fuel  producers and their paid &quot;scientists&quot;.  This is a story about the truth being given to society while the perpetrators deny any involvement.  Why should they tell the truth, it would mean everybody would finally see what their industry is doing to our environment and THEY SURE DO NOT WANT THE LIABILITY.  The TRUTH is not pretty and now we know exactly who and why the DENIERS at the Heartland Institute do what they do.  We should bankrupt them financially because they are surly bankrupt in honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Heartland Institute is nothing but a front for fossil fuel  producers and their paid &#8220;scientists&#8221;.  This is a story about the truth being given to society while the perpetrators deny any involvement.  Why should they tell the truth, it would mean everybody would finally see what their industry is doing to our environment and THEY SURE DO NOT WANT THE LIABILITY.  The TRUTH is not pretty and now we know exactly who and why the DENIERS at the Heartland Institute do what they do.  We should bankrupt them financially because they are surly bankrupt in honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: John W. Bales</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W. Bales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is evidently computer forensic evidence that the purported policy paper is a fake. Furthermore, since this questionable document contains information lifted from the documents which Glieck obtained by impersonating a board member of Heartland Institute, it appears that the fake document was fabricated after Glieck obtained the authentic material from Heartland. Since Glieck was the only warmther in possession of that material, draw your own conclusions about who wrote it.

This is another black eye for global warmthers and could balloon into a full-blown scandal. Those supporting Glieck might be wise to put some distance between him and themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is evidently computer forensic evidence that the purported policy paper is a fake. Furthermore, since this questionable document contains information lifted from the documents which Glieck obtained by impersonating a board member of Heartland Institute, it appears that the fake document was fabricated after Glieck obtained the authentic material from Heartland. Since Glieck was the only warmther in possession of that material, draw your own conclusions about who wrote it.</p>
<p>This is another black eye for global warmthers and could balloon into a full-blown scandal. Those supporting Glieck might be wise to put some distance between him and themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: mnelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mnelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This diatribe tells me that Discover is just a left wing propaganda outlet. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This diatribe tells me that Discover is just a left wing propaganda outlet. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@174. Holms 

Oh, shut up, you myopic moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@174. Holms </p>
<p>Oh, shut up, you myopic moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Holms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@169
Are you stupid, or just turning a blind eye? They didn&#039;t send their documentation to &#039;an anonymous person&#039;, they sent it to Gleick &lt;i&gt;because he impersonated a Heartland board member&lt;/i&gt;.

That is, he lied, and in doing so made himself a hypocrite and undermined his own and many others&#039; efforts promoting ethical conduct. That you are willing to overlook his duplicity while condemning HI for lying makes you a hypocrite too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@169<br />
Are you stupid, or just turning a blind eye? They didn&#8217;t send their documentation to &#8216;an anonymous person&#8217;, they sent it to Gleick <i>because he impersonated a Heartland board member</i>.</p>
<p>That is, he lied, and in doing so made himself a hypocrite and undermined his own and many others&#8217; efforts promoting ethical conduct. That you are willing to overlook his duplicity while condemning HI for lying makes you a hypocrite too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Four</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lab Four</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the droves of concern trolls whining about Glieck&#039;s reputation, the Heartland Institute (which had a bad rep anyway) has completely destroyed its own reputation by issuing these documents and then trying to claim that one of them is faked. I&#039;m laughing at these deniers that have gotten a dose of their own medicine and now have to try to lie their way out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the droves of concern trolls whining about Glieck&#8217;s reputation, the Heartland Institute (which had a bad rep anyway) has completely destroyed its own reputation by issuing these documents and then trying to claim that one of them is faked. I&#8217;m laughing at these deniers that have gotten a dose of their own medicine and now have to try to lie their way out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Mach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Mach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And from the looks of it, some skeptics are in deep denial about reality. 

Oh, the humanity – our strategic reserves of popcorn are running low.

@ dmbeaster: Gleick claims to have received from an unknown source by mail (not email) a &quot;document&quot;, no &quot;s&quot; at the end, so singular. He claims to have authenticated that said document (again singular) with the document&lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt; (with s at the end, so plural) he received from Heartland (after impersonating someone else – see &quot;HP pretexting&quot;* for reference). At least &lt;i&gt;try&lt;/i&gt; to read Gleick&#039;s statement with a critical eye, will ya?

* &quot;Partially as a result of the case [HP&#039;s pretexting], however, congress passed a law specifically prohibiting pretexting.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hewlett-Packard_spying_scandal&amp;oldid=468460001#cite_ref-22</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And from the looks of it, some skeptics are in deep denial about reality. </p>
<p>Oh, the humanity – our strategic reserves of popcorn are running low.</p>
<p>@ dmbeaster: Gleick claims to have received from an unknown source by mail (not email) a &#8220;document&#8221;, no &#8220;s&#8221; at the end, so singular. He claims to have authenticated that said document (again singular) with the document<b>s</b> (with s at the end, so plural) he received from Heartland (after impersonating someone else – see &#8220;HP pretexting&#8221;* for reference). At least <i>try</i> to read Gleick&#8217;s statement with a critical eye, will ya?</p>
<p>* &#8220;Partially as a result of the case [HP's pretexting], however, congress passed a law specifically prohibiting pretexting.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hewlett-Packard_spying_scandal&#038;oldid=468460001#cite_ref-22" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hewlett-Packard_spying_scandal&#038;oldid=468460001#cite_ref-22</a></p>
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		<title>By: dmbeaster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/21/breaking-news-heartland-leaker-is-scientist-peter-gleick-says-documents-are-all-real/comment-page-4/#comment-485450</link>
		<dc:creator>dmbeaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of b.s.  

Gleick wanted to confirm the authenticity of documents anonymously leaked to him.  The Heartland Institute will not confirm that directly to Gleick (since they are in the business of lying, and will not communicate with people who can effectively counter their crap), but they will provide the information to some anonymous person by sending the same information to the anonymous person over the internet.  There is no fraud, deceit, or anything wrong with this.  The Heartland Institute gave the information voluntarily to some stranger over the internet - they had no concern about releasing the information - they just rudely would not give it to Gleick.  Except for the one document, Heartland confirm that Gleick&#039;s documents are all accurate.
So just deal with the fact that the documents show the fraud at the core of climate denial organizations such as Heartland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of b.s.  </p>
<p>Gleick wanted to confirm the authenticity of documents anonymously leaked to him.  The Heartland Institute will not confirm that directly to Gleick (since they are in the business of lying, and will not communicate with people who can effectively counter their crap), but they will provide the information to some anonymous person by sending the same information to the anonymous person over the internet.  There is no fraud, deceit, or anything wrong with this.  The Heartland Institute gave the information voluntarily to some stranger over the internet &#8211; they had no concern about releasing the information &#8211; they just rudely would not give it to Gleick.  Except for the one document, Heartland confirm that Gleick&#8217;s documents are all accurate.<br />
So just deal with the fact that the documents show the fraud at the core of climate denial organizations such as Heartland.</p>
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		<title>By: Solius</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/21/breaking-news-heartland-leaker-is-scientist-peter-gleick-says-documents-are-all-real/comment-page-4/#comment-485439</link>
		<dc:creator>Solius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gleick is a modern day Daniel Ellsberg!

And, to the equivocators, dumping a hundred million years worth of sequestration into the environment in 150 years... probably, catastrophic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gleick is a modern day Daniel Ellsberg!</p>
<p>And, to the equivocators, dumping a hundred million years worth of sequestration into the environment in 150 years&#8230; probably, catastrophic.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/21/breaking-news-heartland-leaker-is-scientist-peter-gleick-says-documents-are-all-real/comment-page-4/#comment-485364</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of follow up items of possible interest here : 

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/faked_heartland_institute_is_a.php 

Apparently one careful study by Brendan DeMille and Richard Littlemore has concluded the heartland memo they claim is faked is not.

Plus :

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/heartland_institute_under_cong.php 

Congress has  a group set to investigate this affair or at least some elements of it. 

Finally, here&#039;s PZ Myers &lt;i&gt;(Pharnygula blogs)&lt;/i&gt; typically aggressive take : 

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/02/21/no-sympathy-for-the-devil/ 

on the whole issue for those who haven&#039;t yet seen that.

Hope folks find these interesting / handy /enjoyable. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of follow up items of possible interest here : </p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/faked_heartland_institute_is_a.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/faked_heartland_institute_is_a.php</a> </p>
<p>Apparently one careful study by Brendan DeMille and Richard Littlemore has concluded the heartland memo they claim is faked is not.</p>
<p>Plus :</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/heartland_institute_under_cong.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/heartland_institute_under_cong.php</a> </p>
<p>Congress has  a group set to investigate this affair or at least some elements of it. </p>
<p>Finally, here&#8217;s PZ Myers <i>(Pharnygula blogs)</i> typically aggressive take : </p>
<p><a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/02/21/no-sympathy-for-the-devil/" rel="nofollow">http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/02/21/no-sympathy-for-the-devil/</a> </p>
<p>on the whole issue for those who haven&#8217;t yet seen that.</p>
<p>Hope folks find these interesting / handy /enjoyable. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: El Sol</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGW theocrats circling their Audis and Beemers in panic over Gleick&#039;s disastrous fakery--you people will risk your careers to perpetuate a hoax...is there no weaning you off the NGO- and gov&#039;t-grant teat?

oy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGW theocrats circling their Audis and Beemers in panic over Gleick&#8217;s disastrous fakery&#8211;you people will risk your careers to perpetuate a hoax&#8230;is there no weaning you off the NGO- and gov&#8217;t-grant teat?</p>
<p>oy!</p>
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		<title>By: Holms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*HI documents &#039;released&#039;, HI claims fakery, suspicion falls on Gleick*

&quot;It couldn&#039;t possibly be Peter Gleick! Look at all his essays on ethical science, how dare you besmirch his name!&quot;

*Peter Gleick confesses to obtaining the documents through identity theft, but denies faking one*

&quot;Wait, Gleick did it? Well, this is a surprise, but this just goes to show how principled he is, waging war against bad science. My hero! Hang on, you&#039;re accusing him of making a fake? It couldn&#039;t possibly be Peter Gleick! Look at all his essays on ethical science, how dare you besmirch his name!&quot;

Sigh. Essentially, &#039;hypocrisy is OK provided it is done by the people I like&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*HI documents &#8216;released&#8217;, HI claims fakery, suspicion falls on Gleick*</p>
<p>&#8220;It couldn&#8217;t possibly be Peter Gleick! Look at all his essays on ethical science, how dare you besmirch his name!&#8221;</p>
<p>*Peter Gleick confesses to obtaining the documents through identity theft, but denies faking one*</p>
<p>&#8220;Wait, Gleick did it? Well, this is a surprise, but this just goes to show how principled he is, waging war against bad science. My hero! Hang on, you&#8217;re accusing him of making a fake? It couldn&#8217;t possibly be Peter Gleick! Look at all his essays on ethical science, how dare you besmirch his name!&#8221;</p>
<p>Sigh. Essentially, &#8216;hypocrisy is OK provided it is done by the people I like&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but deplore Peter Gleick&#039;s tactics.  I think he has certainly tarnished his own reputation and credibility and probably damaged his own cause more than helping it.  He may have also distracted attention from John Mashey&#039;s more honorable approach to exposing HI&#039;s lack of scruples and credibility, and turned the focus away from HI&#039;s well known reputation of obfuscating real science and creating unwarranted doubt about scientific and political realities that discomfit or hurt the profits of its wealthy contributors.  This is surely the opposite of what Peter Gleick was trying to do.  How could he have been so foolish?  Is it possible that someone from HI maneuvered him into trying this in the hopes that precisely this would be the outcome?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but deplore Peter Gleick&#8217;s tactics.  I think he has certainly tarnished his own reputation and credibility and probably damaged his own cause more than helping it.  He may have also distracted attention from John Mashey&#8217;s more honorable approach to exposing HI&#8217;s lack of scruples and credibility, and turned the focus away from HI&#8217;s well known reputation of obfuscating real science and creating unwarranted doubt about scientific and political realities that discomfit or hurt the profits of its wealthy contributors.  This is surely the opposite of what Peter Gleick was trying to do.  How could he have been so foolish?  Is it possible that someone from HI maneuvered him into trying this in the hopes that precisely this would be the outcome?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge C wrote: &lt;i&gt;&quot;What do you think about what HE said???&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I think Dr. Schmidt has a point, although he overstates the case &#8212; probably out of disappointment with a trusted colleague.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I saw that you did no understood what I said.
&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re not a native English speaker are you? That&#039;s nothing against you, but it does apparently limit your comprehension of what you read here.

Once again, I understand this situation better than you. Here&#039;s the proof:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;and PETER GLEICK IS THE FAKER!!!!!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry; that&#039;s just an emotional reaction. You need to take a break and put things in perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge C wrote: <i>&#8220;What do you think about what HE said???&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I think Dr. Schmidt has a point, although he overstates the case &mdash; probably out of disappointment with a trusted colleague.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I saw that you did no understood what I said.<br />
&#8220;</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re not a native English speaker are you? That&#8217;s nothing against you, but it does apparently limit your comprehension of what you read here.</p>
<p>Once again, I understand this situation better than you. Here&#8217;s the proof:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;and PETER GLEICK IS THE FAKER!!!!!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Sorry; that&#8217;s just an emotional reaction. You need to take a break and put things in perspective.</p>
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