Hah. This would be REALLY funny if it weren’t so tragically mistaken. Just goes to show that unfounded, irrational beliefs can be held “on all sides.” I’d like to know what Arab state has the power to respond to Israel in kind–you know with hundreds of nukes and a massive military protector. Imagine the uproar if our citizens were clandestinely killed by a foreign state entity…oops, unless it’s Israel who destroyed the USS Liberty.

However, this bit:

Isreal treats it as Arab minority far better than most most Arab nations treat their own people. It is an erronous false & offensive assertion to say that Isreal treats its enemies as sub-human.

contains a logical fallacy.

How Arab nations treat their citizens is not relevant to the stratification of Israeli citizenship. Arabs are and have been treated as, at best, second-class citizens for a substantial portion of Israel’s existence.

While it might be true that Israel treats Arabs better than some Arab nations treat their own citizens (and I am not accepting this as demonstrated), that does not excuse the way Israel has treated its Arab citizens in the past and today. If we have issues with the way Middle-eastern nations are governed, that is separate from the way Israel treats its Arab citizens.

In fact, it is not very long since nations that we consider “enlightened” democracies – including Australia and the USA – treated a substantial portion of their own populations as second-class. There was no excuse for it when we* did this, and there is no excuse for Israel to do it, or to have done it.

* By “we” here, I refer to all western nations that pretend or aspire to democracy.

MTU (52) said: “I recall 2000 and the Y2k bug panic..”
That did not come to pass because a lot of people worked very hard to prevent it. Please don’t tell me you think it was a fabrication, or a massive exaggeration.

Good point I guess – I do think the extent of the problem was somewhat exaggerated but NOT massively so.

@105. Nigel Depledge :

MTU (102) said: “The Islamic nations are forever attacking Israel in an attempt to wipe it out and forever failing and haver been ever since the Jewish state was declared back in 1948. I wish they’d stop but they just never seem to learn.”
Well, maybe they will stop, after Israel gives back the territory it occupied by force ..

Yeah, they’ve already tried that. Israel handed back Gaza after a long, painful internal struggle – the Palestinians responded to this by voting in Hamas and firing rockets into Israel.

They also handed over parts of Judea and Samaria (the “West Bank”) to Arafat’s corrupt, slightly less extreme bunch of thugs and again got an intifada in return. Pretty easy to understand then why they’re not keen to repeat those errors & will take a lot of convincing to try swapping “land for peace” again when the Jewish state keeps getting neither.

(its current area is far larger than it was in 1948),

Israel’s territory in 1948 was even more unsustainably, indefensibly small than that tiny nation is today. Remember Jordan was already created as an Arab state out of the former britsih ruled mandate – and they handed the Sinai peninusla back to Egypt in the late 70′s-early 80′s.

.. and stops treating Arabs as sub-human, don’t you think?

Isreal treats it as Arab minority far better than most most Arab nations treat their own people. It is an erronous false & offensive assertion to say that Isreal treats its enemies as sub-human.

Great summary, but you left out sex as a motivator. Its their pathologies and techniques that are interesting.

They do lack empathy for their victims, but the strange part is watching how they convince themselves.

But another thing is their lack of empathy for innocent bystanders.

And what goals motivate them?

Also, there are the victims, and their predispositions.

If you go over to NAFPS, you’ll find that the Maya themselves think of all of this as gringo craziness. What is happening is that mysteries of the past are being exploited – lacking an explanation and understanding for Maya practices, some people make up ones, and then sell them. Make people afraid, and sell them their fears.

Perhaps what we’re looking at is displacement mechanisms – people are afraid, and either don’t know or can’t face or can’t talk about what and why, and thus look for some other reason to be afraid.

I recall 2000 and the Y2k bug panic

That did not come to pass because a lot of people worked very hard to prevent it. Please don’t tell me you think it was a fabrication, or a massive exaggeration.

With FAKEGATE, it is now rather obvious. It does not matter what happens with climate related science, as long as it agrees with the currently accepted religious doctrine.

Anyone can lie, cheat and steal as long they agree with it.

Once again you vaguely accuse climatologists of unspecified nefarious activities.

Do you have any evidence at all that what you claim is actually occurring anywhere?

While we’re at it, how about you get a bit more specific in your claims. Who exactly is perpetrating this massive scientific fraud you allege? Who is coordinating the effort? Who gets to decide what is and isn’t doctrine? Who started it, and how did they get all the other climatologists on board?

Be specific or shut the hell up.