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		<title>By: Meet I Zw 18: A Dwarf Galaxy &#124; Wired Cosmos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meet I Zw 18: A Dwarf Galaxy &#124; Wired Cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! I almost missed the pun, Antlia being the Air Pump, but I noticed that fact due to looking in a spreadsheet I made that allows me to tell roughly where a constellation is, using the Cartesian coordinates of its alpha star.

I divided the celestial sphere into 24 equal sectors, by dividing the octants into thirds along the perpendicular bisectors of their sides.

The octants are named by taking the direction of the vernal equinox as the positive x axis, and the north celestial pole as the positive z axis, which I presume is standard among astronomers. Then a positive component becomes 0 and a negative one becomes 1, and they&#039;re put in order &quot;zyx&quot; to form a binary number, translated into a decimal from 0 to 7. (So the low numbers are in the northern hemisphere and the high numbers are in the southern hemisphere.) I would have numbered them differently, but this system is the easiest to calculate in a spreadsheet. The divisions of an octant are named after which component is largest--x, y, or z.

Alpha Antliae is in sector 5x. Therefore it&#039;s &quot;southwest&quot; of the vernal equinox point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! I almost missed the pun, Antlia being the Air Pump, but I noticed that fact due to looking in a spreadsheet I made that allows me to tell roughly where a constellation is, using the Cartesian coordinates of its alpha star.</p>
<p>I divided the celestial sphere into 24 equal sectors, by dividing the octants into thirds along the perpendicular bisectors of their sides.</p>
<p>The octants are named by taking the direction of the vernal equinox as the positive x axis, and the north celestial pole as the positive z axis, which I presume is standard among astronomers. Then a positive component becomes 0 and a negative one becomes 1, and they&#8217;re put in order &#8220;zyx&#8221; to form a binary number, translated into a decimal from 0 to 7. (So the low numbers are in the northern hemisphere and the high numbers are in the southern hemisphere.) I would have numbered them differently, but this system is the easiest to calculate in a spreadsheet. The divisions of an octant are named after which component is largest&#8211;x, y, or z.</p>
<p>Alpha Antliae is in sector 5x. Therefore it&#8217;s &#8220;southwest&#8221; of the vernal equinox point.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking of this :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;How much further would this Antlia dwarf have to be before we lost sight of it?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s an interesting article here  on the &lt;i&gt;Starts with a Bang blog&lt;/i&gt; :

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/02/the_most_distant_dark_galaxy_e.php?utm_source=networkbanner&amp;utm_medium=link

on an new record breakingly distant dwarf galaxy - viewed from across a whopping ten billion &lt;i&gt;(yes, that&#039;s with a &lt;b&gt;&#039;b&#039;&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/i&gt; light years of spacetime! :-o

However, it does cheat somewhat by being gravitationally lensed!  ;-)

Hope this is okay netiquette~wise, please let me know if not.

Off topic, sorry but I think this news item :

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/asteroid_2011ag5_could_strike.php

is one the BA and others here may appreciate if they haven&#039;t heard /seen it already.

Finally, on the other major bolidal threat from the skies, this item :

http://www.space.com/14704-sun-stolen-comets-oort-cloud.html

suggests some  comets may be alien to solar system and have originated round other stars.

PS. BA, the &quot;older posts&quot; tag that lets you go back through previous days posts beyond the current main page seems to have vanished from the end of the main page here. Not sure what&#039;s happening with that, thought I&#039;d just let you know.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking of this :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>How much further would this Antlia dwarf have to be before we lost sight of it?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting article here  on the <i>Starts with a Bang blog</i> :</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/02/the_most_distant_dark_galaxy_e.php?utm_source=networkbanner&#038;utm_medium=link" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/02/the_most_distant_dark_galaxy_e.php?utm_source=networkbanner&#038;utm_medium=link</a></p>
<p>on an new record breakingly distant dwarf galaxy &#8211; viewed from across a whopping ten billion <i>(yes, that&#8217;s with a <b>&#8216;b&#8217;</b>)</i> light years of spacetime! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However, it does cheat somewhat by being gravitationally lensed!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hope this is okay netiquette~wise, please let me know if not.</p>
<p>Off topic, sorry but I think this news item :</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/asteroid_2011ag5_could_strike.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/asteroid_2011ag5_could_strike.php</a></p>
<p>is one the BA and others here may appreciate if they haven&#8217;t heard /seen it already.</p>
<p>Finally, on the other major bolidal threat from the skies, this item :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.space.com/14704-sun-stolen-comets-oort-cloud.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.space.com/14704-sun-stolen-comets-oort-cloud.html</a></p>
<p>suggests some  comets may be alien to solar system and have originated round other stars.</p>
<p>PS. BA, the &#8220;older posts&#8221; tag that lets you go back through previous days posts beyond the current main page seems to have vanished from the end of the main page here. Not sure what&#8217;s happening with that, thought I&#8217;d just let you know.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Keith Bowden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/28/pump-up-the-galaxy/#comment-324569</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Bowden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the second major Doctor Who theme running through my head now... I&#039;m waiting to see if Tom Baker, Peter Davidson or Colin Baker&#039;s head appears in the stars...  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the second major Doctor Who theme running through my head now&#8230; I&#8217;m waiting to see if Tom Baker, Peter Davidson or Colin Baker&#8217;s head appears in the stars&#8230;  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/28/pump-up-the-galaxy/#comment-324568</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5.   Jim Saul : &lt;i&gt;&quot;With that heading, now I have the song by M&#124;A&#124;R&#124;R&#124;S running through my head.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

You mean this one :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wjlpB-RrM&amp;feature=fvst

complete with awesome astronomical space exploration videoclip?

Youtubve also has a couple of other good clips Omega Centauri~wise  like this mellow &amp; informative animation of a HST image :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRsuh2rVIHU

Plus this one :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUGdgiG-Tnk&amp;NR=1&amp;feature=endscreen

from the Hubblecast series-  and there&#039;s  also one from the IR-relevant Astronomy series  the BA has posted a few  installments of  before linked to my name here. :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5.   Jim Saul : <i>&#8220;With that heading, now I have the song by M|A|R|R|S running through my head.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>You mean this one :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wjlpB-RrM&#038;feature=fvst" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wjlpB-RrM&#038;feature=fvst</a></p>
<p>complete with awesome astronomical space exploration videoclip?</p>
<p>Youtubve also has a couple of other good clips Omega Centauri~wise  like this mellow &amp; informative animation of a HST image :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRsuh2rVIHU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRsuh2rVIHU</a></p>
<p>Plus this one :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUGdgiG-Tnk&#038;NR=1&#038;feature=endscreen" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUGdgiG-Tnk&#038;NR=1&#038;feature=endscreen</a></p>
<p>from the Hubblecast series-  and there&#8217;s  also one from the IR-relevant Astronomy series  the BA has posted a few  installments of  before linked to my name here. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TMB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/28/pump-up-the-galaxy/#comment-324567</link>
		<dc:creator>TMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d argue it&#039;s a dwarf spheroid, not a dwarf elliptical... too diffuse. :)

As for the galaxy/cluster question... that&#039;s a topic of very active research! Dark matter is definitely the biggest difference, but it&#039;s not always easy to tell for the very small galaxies because the stars are moving so slowly that the difference between how fast they would move with or without dark matter isn&#039;t that big compared to systematics like what kinds of orbits the stars are on (radial vs. tangential).

Multiple stellar populations also isn&#039;t distinguishing... there is actually evidence for multiple generations in a number of clusters, not all of which are so suspiciously ex-galaxies as omega Cen, and models suggest that it should be common for the most massive clusters.

So there certainly are objects that get argued about. Which leads to an interesting situation where the names of some objects don&#039;t make sense - newly-found globular clusters are numbered (in Arabic) by the survey they come from, while newly-found dwarf galaxies are numbered (in Roman) by the constellation they appear in. But some objects that we now think are galaxies, like Segue 1 and Willman 1, were thought to be globular clusters when they were first found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d argue it&#8217;s a dwarf spheroid, not a dwarf elliptical&#8230; too diffuse. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for the galaxy/cluster question&#8230; that&#8217;s a topic of very active research! Dark matter is definitely the biggest difference, but it&#8217;s not always easy to tell for the very small galaxies because the stars are moving so slowly that the difference between how fast they would move with or without dark matter isn&#8217;t that big compared to systematics like what kinds of orbits the stars are on (radial vs. tangential).</p>
<p>Multiple stellar populations also isn&#8217;t distinguishing&#8230; there is actually evidence for multiple generations in a number of clusters, not all of which are so suspiciously ex-galaxies as omega Cen, and models suggest that it should be common for the most massive clusters.</p>
<p>So there certainly are objects that get argued about. Which leads to an interesting situation where the names of some objects don&#8217;t make sense &#8211; newly-found globular clusters are numbered (in Arabic) by the survey they come from, while newly-found dwarf galaxies are numbered (in Roman) by the constellation they appear in. But some objects that we now think are galaxies, like Segue 1 and Willman 1, were thought to be globular clusters when they were first found.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Tauber</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/28/pump-up-the-galaxy/#comment-324566</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Tauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks that I understand this system now. A ragtag fugitive fleet, having made a pit-stop a billion years ago to fill up on gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks that I understand this system now. A ragtag fugitive fleet, having made a pit-stop a billion years ago to fill up on gas.</p>
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		<title>By: Digitalaxis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/28/pump-up-the-galaxy/#comment-324565</link>
		<dc:creator>Digitalaxis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another item I&#039;ve found is that galaxies have multiple star formation events, globular clusters don&#039;t.  Again, this suggests Omega Centauri (and others, as more accurate measurements are made) are actually dwarf spheroidal galaxies, not globular clusters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another item I&#8217;ve found is that galaxies have multiple star formation events, globular clusters don&#8217;t.  Again, this suggests Omega Centauri (and others, as more accurate measurements are made) are actually dwarf spheroidal galaxies, not globular clusters.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve J</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/28/pump-up-the-galaxy/#comment-324564</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to a quick search, galaxies have a dark matter halo, whereas clusters don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to a quick search, galaxies have a dark matter halo, whereas clusters don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Saul</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/02/28/pump-up-the-galaxy/#comment-324563</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With that heading, now I have the song by M&#124;A&#124;R&#124;R&#124;S running through my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With that heading, now I have the song by M|A|R|R|S running through my head.</p>
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