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	<title>Comments on: Desktop Project Part 8: From filament to prominence</title>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/02/desktop-project-part-8-from-filament-to-prominence/#comment-327438</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 09:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MTU (7) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I, for one, still count Pluto as a planet – as well as the other ice dwarf planets including Eris and Ceres.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Trying to be brief here, for the sake of other commenters:

As far as the IAU are concerned, you don&#039;t matter.

As far as casual conversation is concerned, the IAU technical definition doesn&#039;t matter.

&lt;blockquote&gt; I fully expect the dreadful, current IAU definition will one day be revised and replaced with a better alternative. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You have yet to demonstrate that there is anything wrong with the IAU definition, despite the many many occasions on which you have railed against it.

Sure, you have &lt;i&gt;tried&lt;/i&gt;, but your arguments are all weak, and you have yet to address even one of my criticisms of your arguments, except (effectively) to say &quot;but it&#039;s still a planet&quot;.

Your suggested alternative has bigger flaws than the present IAU definition and is in no way superior, to whit:

1. It contains exactly the same logical flaws and need for pragmatism as the IAU definition (so is not superior from a logical viewpoint, despite your claim to the contrary).
2. It fails to recognise the huge disparity in the level of knowledge between our solar system and all other planetary bodies elsewhere in the galaxy.
3. It fails to recognise that our solar system contains a clear and natural discontinuity between the eight bodies (not counting the sun) that are obviously unique and bodies like Ceres and Pluto that are - as far as anyone can tell - simply the largest examples of classes of similar objects.  It was Pluto&#039;s obvious lack of uniqueness that sparked the need to define the term &quot;planet&quot; in the first place.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The sooner that happens, the better. (Don’t get me started!)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, this time it was you who invaded Poland.*

* Yes, it&#039;s a reference to &lt;i&gt;Fawlty Towers&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MTU (7) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I, for one, still count Pluto as a planet – as well as the other ice dwarf planets including Eris and Ceres.</p></blockquote>
<p>Trying to be brief here, for the sake of other commenters:</p>
<p>As far as the IAU are concerned, you don&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>As far as casual conversation is concerned, the IAU technical definition doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<blockquote><p> I fully expect the dreadful, current IAU definition will one day be revised and replaced with a better alternative. </p></blockquote>
<p>You have yet to demonstrate that there is anything wrong with the IAU definition, despite the many many occasions on which you have railed against it.</p>
<p>Sure, you have <i>tried</i>, but your arguments are all weak, and you have yet to address even one of my criticisms of your arguments, except (effectively) to say &#8220;but it&#8217;s still a planet&#8221;.</p>
<p>Your suggested alternative has bigger flaws than the present IAU definition and is in no way superior, to whit:</p>
<p>1. It contains exactly the same logical flaws and need for pragmatism as the IAU definition (so is not superior from a logical viewpoint, despite your claim to the contrary).<br />
2. It fails to recognise the huge disparity in the level of knowledge between our solar system and all other planetary bodies elsewhere in the galaxy.<br />
3. It fails to recognise that our solar system contains a clear and natural discontinuity between the eight bodies (not counting the sun) that are obviously unique and bodies like Ceres and Pluto that are &#8211; as far as anyone can tell &#8211; simply the largest examples of classes of similar objects.  It was Pluto&#8217;s obvious lack of uniqueness that sparked the need to define the term &#8220;planet&#8221; in the first place.</p>
<blockquote><p>The sooner that happens, the better. (Don’t get me started!)</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, this time it was you who invaded Poland.*</p>
<p>* Yes, it&#8217;s a reference to <i>Fawlty Towers</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: reidh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/02/desktop-project-part-8-from-filament-to-prominence/#comment-327437</link>
		<dc:creator>reidh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me, that the sun is a perfect &quot;picture&quot; of the famous Lake of Fire that God is going to throw all of the useless souls of the dead into at the end of Time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me, that the sun is a perfect &#8220;picture&#8221; of the famous Lake of Fire that God is going to throw all of the useless souls of the dead into at the end of Time.</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/02/desktop-project-part-8-from-filament-to-prominence/#comment-327436</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ^ Unclaimed Mysteries &amp; #4.   Rich :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;It’s a filament, it’s a prominence, it’s a filanence!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nice term &#039;filamence&#039; - I&#039;m gunna use that! Cheers! ;-)


@3.   Mooncity :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;I&gt; Oh, suuuure, we still say “filament” and “prominence,” but Pluto’s no longer a planet. Where’s the justice..?!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey, just because the IAU can&#039;t tell a planet from a pizza doesn&#039;t mean we have to go along with them! ;-)

I, for one,  still count Pluto as a planet - as well as the other ice dwarf planets including Eris and Ceres. I fully expect the dreadful, current IAU definition  will one day be revised and replaced with a better alternative. The sooner that happens, the better. &lt;i&gt;(Don&#039;t get me started!)&lt;/i&gt;

Back on topic - yup. Great image. :-)

The Sun looks awfully yellow for a Hydrogen alpha filter though - doesn&#039;t our daytime star usually appear very crimson red as seen at that wavelength?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ^ Unclaimed Mysteries &amp; #4.   Rich :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>It’s a filament, it’s a prominence, it’s a filanence!</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Nice term &#8216;filamence&#8217; &#8211; I&#8217;m gunna use that! Cheers! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@3.   Mooncity :</p>
<blockquote><p><i> Oh, suuuure, we still say “filament” and “prominence,” but Pluto’s no longer a planet. Where’s the justice..?!</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, just because the IAU can&#8217;t tell a planet from a pizza doesn&#8217;t mean we have to go along with them! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I, for one,  still count Pluto as a planet &#8211; as well as the other ice dwarf planets including Eris and Ceres. I fully expect the dreadful, current IAU definition  will one day be revised and replaced with a better alternative. The sooner that happens, the better. <i>(Don&#8217;t get me started!)</i></p>
<p>Back on topic &#8211; yup. Great image. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The Sun looks awfully yellow for a Hydrogen alpha filter though &#8211; doesn&#8217;t our daytime star usually appear very crimson red as seen at that wavelength?</p>
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		<title>By: Unclaimed Mysteries</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/02/desktop-project-part-8-from-filament-to-prominence/#comment-327435</link>
		<dc:creator>Unclaimed Mysteries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to get that &quot;filimence&quot; effect with a B&amp;W video camera and Hα-filtered telescope at a museum where I worked by fiddling with the contrast and gain on the camera. The resulting image on the exhibit screen was very low contrast but sometimes you could see one leg of a prominence that was *just* in the right place also show up as a filament against the surface.

This image is way superior, of course. Kids today ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to get that &#8220;filimence&#8221; effect with a B&amp;W video camera and Hα-filtered telescope at a museum where I worked by fiddling with the contrast and gain on the camera. The resulting image on the exhibit screen was very low contrast but sometimes you could see one leg of a prominence that was *just* in the right place also show up as a filament against the surface.</p>
<p>This image is way superior, of course. Kids today &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rakesh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/02/desktop-project-part-8-from-filament-to-prominence/#comment-327434</link>
		<dc:creator>Rakesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can clearly see that the prominence moves from dark to bright as it moves from disk to limb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can clearly see that the prominence moves from dark to bright as it moves from disk to limb.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/02/desktop-project-part-8-from-filament-to-prominence/#comment-327433</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a filament, it&#039;s a prominence, it&#039;s a filanence!</description>
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		<title>By: Mooncity</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/02/desktop-project-part-8-from-filament-to-prominence/#comment-327432</link>
		<dc:creator>Mooncity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, suuuure, we still say &quot;filament&quot; and &quot;prominence,&quot; but Pluto&#039;s no longer a planet. Where&#039;s the justice..?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, suuuure, we still say &#8220;filament&#8221; and &#8220;prominence,&#8221; but Pluto&#8217;s no longer a planet. Where&#8217;s the justice..?!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/02/desktop-project-part-8-from-filament-to-prominence/#comment-327431</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE these photos.

Thanks,

Gary 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE these photos.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Gary 7</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/02/desktop-project-part-8-from-filament-to-prominence/#comment-327430</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But they’re still plenty hot, and look bright when seen against the black of space.

[. . . ]

But it’s pretty cool either way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, wow.  Simultaneous hot and cool.

But, seriously, BA, which is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But they’re still plenty hot, and look bright when seen against the black of space.</p>
<p>[. . . ]</p>
<p>But it’s pretty cool either way.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, wow.  Simultaneous hot and cool.</p>
<p>But, seriously, BA, which is it?</p>
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