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	<title>Comments on: Desktop Project Part 16: A dinky galaxy with a big gas problem</title>
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		<title>By: LAG</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel (14), it has nothing to do with &#039;belief, &#039; at least as I understand the scientific method. Religion is based on &#039;belief&#039; and revisits aren&#039;t welcome. Rather they are condemned as heretical. Which I guess is your point when you say, &quot;The answer is it has already happened with AGW.&quot; I presume by that that revisits, reassessments, new data, etc, are not allowed. On the other hand, you might want to say in some way what it would take to convince you otherwise.

If the answer is, &#039;nothing,&#039; then you&#039;re proselytizing and not engaging in reasoned discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel (14), it has nothing to do with &#8216;belief, &#8216; at least as I understand the scientific method. Religion is based on &#8216;belief&#8217; and revisits aren&#8217;t welcome. Rather they are condemned as heretical. Which I guess is your point when you say, &#8220;The answer is it has already happened with AGW.&#8221; I presume by that that revisits, reassessments, new data, etc, are not allowed. On the other hand, you might want to say in some way what it would take to convince you otherwise.</p>
<p>If the answer is, &#8216;nothing,&#8217; then you&#8217;re proselytizing and not engaging in reasoned discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: LAG</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel (14), it has nothing to do with &#039;belief, &#039; at least as I understand the scientific method. Religion is based on &#039;belief&#039; and revisits aren&#039;t welcome. Rather they are condemned as heretical. Which I guess is your point when you say, &quot;The answer is it has already happened with AGW.&quot; I presume by that that revisits, reassessments, new data, etc, are not allowed. On the other hand, you might want to say in some way what it would take to convince you otherwise,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel (14), it has nothing to do with &#8216;belief, &#8216; at least as I understand the scientific method. Religion is based on &#8216;belief&#8217; and revisits aren&#8217;t welcome. Rather they are condemned as heretical. Which I guess is your point when you say, &#8220;The answer is it has already happened with AGW.&#8221; I presume by that that revisits, reassessments, new data, etc, are not allowed. On the other hand, you might want to say in some way what it would take to convince you otherwise,</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LAG (11) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;“One important aspect of science is its ability to question its own tenets. Some people think that’s a weakness, but it’s a strength!” True, so why doesn’t that ever seem to work with AGW?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The answer is it has already happened with AGW.  Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, first the reality of GW, and then humanity&#039;s role in it, was questioned intensely and critically.  The data spoke.  The genuine scientific criticisms were answered.

As far as anyone can tell (anyone who takes an unbiased look at the actual evidence, anyhow), AGW is as real as you or I.

The only remaining criticisms of the reality of AGW are fabrications with little or no real scientific merit.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And,

“We don’t want to think something wrong is true! We need to be flexible.” How about adding that ‘we don’t want to think something true is wrong’? Like with AGW.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Erm, because that would be meaningless.

People who have studied the Earth&#039;s climate for decades have been convinced by the evidence that AGW is a real phenomenon.  I&#039;m sure that they would love for it to be an illusion as much as I would, but these guys are honest scientists doing their level best to understand one of the Earth&#039;s most complicated natural systems.  And their best understanding is that AGW is real.

Of course, if you believe in the &quot;climate conspiracy&quot;, then no amount of evidence is likely to persuade you otherwise.

I would, however, ask you to explain how, if AGW is a conspiracy, it got started.

Who started it?  When?  How did they recruit additional converts?  How come no-one blew the whistle when approached?

In short, unless someone can come up with a credible scenario whereby a global conspiracy among climate scientists could have been concocted, then the postulated conspiracy idea is dead before it starts.  Even so, I won&#039;t accept the notion of a global conspiracy until some hard evidence is forthcoming.

If you believe instead that the world&#039;s climate scientists are deluded, what is the basis for this belief?  IOW, what makes you think that the world&#039;s best-qualified climate scientists have adopted a wrong conclusion where some random commentator can see flaws that the experts cannot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LAG (11) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>“One important aspect of science is its ability to question its own tenets. Some people think that’s a weakness, but it’s a strength!” True, so why doesn’t that ever seem to work with AGW?</p></blockquote>
<p>The answer is it has already happened with AGW.  Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, first the reality of GW, and then humanity&#8217;s role in it, was questioned intensely and critically.  The data spoke.  The genuine scientific criticisms were answered.</p>
<p>As far as anyone can tell (anyone who takes an unbiased look at the actual evidence, anyhow), AGW is as real as you or I.</p>
<p>The only remaining criticisms of the reality of AGW are fabrications with little or no real scientific merit.</p>
<blockquote><p>And,</p>
<p>“We don’t want to think something wrong is true! We need to be flexible.” How about adding that ‘we don’t want to think something true is wrong’? Like with AGW.</p></blockquote>
<p>Erm, because that would be meaningless.</p>
<p>People who have studied the Earth&#8217;s climate for decades have been convinced by the evidence that AGW is a real phenomenon.  I&#8217;m sure that they would love for it to be an illusion as much as I would, but these guys are honest scientists doing their level best to understand one of the Earth&#8217;s most complicated natural systems.  And their best understanding is that AGW is real.</p>
<p>Of course, if you believe in the &#8220;climate conspiracy&#8221;, then no amount of evidence is likely to persuade you otherwise.</p>
<p>I would, however, ask you to explain how, if AGW is a conspiracy, it got started.</p>
<p>Who started it?  When?  How did they recruit additional converts?  How come no-one blew the whistle when approached?</p>
<p>In short, unless someone can come up with a credible scenario whereby a global conspiracy among climate scientists could have been concocted, then the postulated conspiracy idea is dead before it starts.  Even so, I won&#8217;t accept the notion of a global conspiracy until some hard evidence is forthcoming.</p>
<p>If you believe instead that the world&#8217;s climate scientists are deluded, what is the basis for this belief?  IOW, what makes you think that the world&#8217;s best-qualified climate scientists have adopted a wrong conclusion where some random commentator can see flaws that the experts cannot?</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Davey (4) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Evolution may be real, but how do we prove that the Universe is?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In absolute terms, you can&#039;t.  But then, nothing empirical can ever be absolutely proven.

Of course, it all comes down to how you define &quot;real&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Davey (4) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Evolution may be real, but how do we prove that the Universe is?</p></blockquote>
<p>In absolute terms, you can&#8217;t.  But then, nothing empirical can ever be absolutely proven.</p>
<p>Of course, it all comes down to how you define &#8220;real&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 03:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11 LAG:

......my friends....go get him ;)</description>
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<p>&#8230;&#8230;my friends&#8230;.go get him <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LAG</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One important aspect of science is its ability to question its own tenets. Some people think that’s a weakness, but it’s a strength!&quot; True, so why doesn&#039;t that ever seem to work with AGW?

And,

&quot;We don’t want to think something wrong is true! We need to be flexible.&quot; How about adding that &#039;we don&#039;t want to think something true is wrong&#039;? Like with AGW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One important aspect of science is its ability to question its own tenets. Some people think that’s a weakness, but it’s a strength!&#8221; True, so why doesn&#8217;t that ever seem to work with AGW?</p>
<p>And,</p>
<p>&#8220;We don’t want to think something wrong is true! We need to be flexible.&#8221; How about adding that &#8216;we don&#8217;t want to think something true is wrong&#8217;? Like with AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Tauber</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/10/desktop-project-part-16-a-dinky-galaxy-with-a-big-gas-problem/#comment-328150</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Tauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its pretty easy actually. The Doctor realized that the late universe would have little gas with which to build stars and power civilizations. So he started dragging entire dark galaxies forward in time as stores for later times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its pretty easy actually. The Doctor realized that the late universe would have little gas with which to build stars and power civilizations. So he started dragging entire dark galaxies forward in time as stores for later times.</p>
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		<title>By: Digitalaxis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digitalaxis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If memory serves, I Zwicky 18 was one of the prototypical &quot;Dark&quot; galaxies, which is to say a galaxy that had not started star formation AT ALL until very recently (and hence a very interesting remnant of the early universe).  I believe 10 billion year old stars have since been found in it (and other such galaxies), but still... for some reason, there was a meager burst of star formation and then basically NOTHING for the next 9.75 billion years.  Why?  No idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If memory serves, I Zwicky 18 was one of the prototypical &#8220;Dark&#8221; galaxies, which is to say a galaxy that had not started star formation AT ALL until very recently (and hence a very interesting remnant of the early universe).  I believe 10 billion year old stars have since been found in it (and other such galaxies), but still&#8230; for some reason, there was a meager burst of star formation and then basically NOTHING for the next 9.75 billion years.  Why?  No idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to doubt you, Phil, but that looks like the chunk of space that Death leads the dead people to in The Meaning of Life. Hence it was probably drawn by Terry Gilliam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to doubt you, Phil, but that looks like the chunk of space that Death leads the dead people to in The Meaning of Life. Hence it was probably drawn by Terry Gilliam.</p>
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		<title>By: gopher65</title>
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		<dc:creator>gopher65</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking at some of the background galaxies and noticed that a few one them (one in particular, just south of the righthand upper corner) are on the red side. Is that an artifact of colourizing the image, or is that down to the objects in question being far enough away that they are strongly redshifted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking at some of the background galaxies and noticed that a few one them (one in particular, just south of the righthand upper corner) are on the red side. Is that an artifact of colourizing the image, or is that down to the objects in question being far enough away that they are strongly redshifted?</p>
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