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	<title>Comments on: Desktop Project Part 26: Carina will keelhaul your brain</title>
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		<title>By: L&#8217;univers &#124; olivier chiappone</title>
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		<dc:creator>L&#8217;univers &#124; olivier chiappone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 06:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Une fois n&#8217;est pas coutume, voici une image qui fait parler d&#8217;elle depuis sa publication sur le blog discover mag. [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Tetzauh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/20/desktop-project-part-26-carina-will-keelhaul-your-brain/#comment-328753</link>
		<dc:creator>Tetzauh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The universe has finally showed us a glimpse of Jack Kirby&#039;s mind.</description>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/20/desktop-project-part-26-carina-will-keelhaul-your-brain/#comment-328752</link>
		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@23.   Jon Hanford :

Yep. That&#039;s pretty much my understanding too.

I was really just joking with the BA sorta saying in his book  that Eta Carinae could be *the* death&lt;i&gt;(from-the skies!)&lt;/i&gt; star  and then saying here that it doesn&#039;t pose any threat at all and noting that minor inconsistency.  ;-)

But maybe our understanding of the GRB risk Eta Car poses has shifted since the book was written, it&#039;s no huge deal after all - just potentially the end of the world!* ;-)

Seems various sources differ on exactly how bright - four or five million times - Eta Carinae is too.

Thanks for the link there. :-)

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* Mind you,  almost certainly NOT the end of the world just the very remotest, slim possibility of it.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23.   Jon Hanford :</p>
<p>Yep. That&#8217;s pretty much my understanding too.</p>
<p>I was really just joking with the BA sorta saying in his book  that Eta Carinae could be *the* death<i>(from-the skies!)</i> star  and then saying here that it doesn&#8217;t pose any threat at all and noting that minor inconsistency.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But maybe our understanding of the GRB risk Eta Car poses has shifted since the book was written, it&#8217;s no huge deal after all &#8211; just potentially the end of the world!* <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seems various sources differ on exactly how bright &#8211; four or five million times &#8211; Eta Carinae is too.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link there. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>* Mind you,  almost certainly NOT the end of the world just the very remotest, slim possibility of it.   </p>
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		<title>By: Dori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Phil-- I set this image as my desktop wallpaper a few weeks ago.  Magnificent, stunning, breathtaking-- words just can&#039;t express the glory of this image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Phil&#8211; I set this image as my desktop wallpaper a few weeks ago.  Magnificent, stunning, breathtaking&#8211; words just can&#8217;t express the glory of this image.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Rounds</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/20/desktop-project-part-26-carina-will-keelhaul-your-brain/#comment-328750</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Rounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda makes you glad we live in such an &quot;uninteresting&quot; part or the Cosmos doesn&#039;t it? Or maybe not so uninteresting. Perhaps this is where life is most likely to hang out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda makes you glad we live in such an &#8220;uninteresting&#8221; part or the Cosmos doesn&#8217;t it? Or maybe not so uninteresting. Perhaps this is where life is most likely to hang out?</p>
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		<title>By: mary Dallas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/20/desktop-project-part-26-carina-will-keelhaul-your-brain/#comment-328749</link>
		<dc:creator>mary Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The heavens declare the glory of God.&quot; Truly!</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Hanford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Hanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#20 MTU:

&quot;....if Eta Carinae is too far away to hurt us why did you choose it to be the death star in your ‘Death from the Skies’ book, page 103, chapter 4 (Gamma Ray Bursts) , then? Don’t you think it could produce a lethal GRB after all, eh?&quot;

Although I haven&#039;t read the book.....YET(although it&#039;s on my to do list), I do think the possibility of Eta Carinae producing a GRB &#039;jet&#039; is a very real one. However, due to the rotation axis of Eta Car being inclined ~41 degrees to our line of sight, the intersection of any beamed emission with the Earth seems unlikely. So will Eta Car produce a GRB jet?...maybe.  Is the Earth in danger of a GRB jet from Eta Car?...probably not.

 Check out the 2007 paper &quot;Superluminous supernovae: no threat from Eta Carinae&quot; and references therein:  http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.4274.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#20 MTU:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.if Eta Carinae is too far away to hurt us why did you choose it to be the death star in your ‘Death from the Skies’ book, page 103, chapter 4 (Gamma Ray Bursts) , then? Don’t you think it could produce a lethal GRB after all, eh?&#8221;</p>
<p>Although I haven&#8217;t read the book&#8230;..YET(although it&#8217;s on my to do list), I do think the possibility of Eta Carinae producing a GRB &#8216;jet&#8217; is a very real one. However, due to the rotation axis of Eta Car being inclined ~41 degrees to our line of sight, the intersection of any beamed emission with the Earth seems unlikely. So will Eta Car produce a GRB jet?&#8230;maybe.  Is the Earth in danger of a GRB jet from Eta Car?&#8230;probably not.</p>
<p> Check out the 2007 paper &#8220;Superluminous supernovae: no threat from Eta Carinae&#8221; and references therein:  <a href="http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.4274.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.4274.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Links: A Star Is Born … 25,000 of Them! - Sopaipleto &#187; Sopaipleto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend Links: A Star Is Born … 25,000 of Them! - Sopaipleto &#187; Sopaipleto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this has blown my theory! *  From Phil Plait&#8217;s blog, &#8220;a *ridiculously* awesome pic of 25,000 stars being born.&#8221; * I would support any of these 7 Grimm&#8217;s Fairy Tales That Would Make Great Movies, [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this has blown my theory! *  From Phil Plait&#8217;s blog, &#8220;a *ridiculously* awesome pic of 25,000 stars being born.&#8221; * I would support any of these 7 Grimm&#8217;s Fairy Tales That Would Make Great Movies, [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Drew Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The top image is simply stunning!  Definitely a favorite!</description>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 07:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trio of very minor nitpicks here that I just couldn&#039;t resist mentioning, sorry BA :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And one day Eta Car will explode. It’s too far away to hurt us, but what a sight that’ll be!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, if Eta Carinae is too far away to hurt us why did you choose it to be the death star in your &lt;i&gt;&#039;Death from the Skies&#039;&lt;/i&gt; book, page 103, chapter 4 (Gamma Ray Bursts) , then?  Don&#039;t you think it could produce a lethal GRB after all, eh? ;-)

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And even now, just sitting there not exploding, it still shines about 4 million times brighter than the Sun. Four million. If the Earth were as close to Eta Car as we are to the Sun, we’d be vaporized into an ionized memory.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I thought Eta Carinae boasted five million times the solar luminosity, BA, no?

Okay, I&#039;m sure this merely a ballpark estimate &amp; there are uncertainties and some rounding up / down involved but that&#039;s certainly what I&#039;ve read - so are you shortchanging Eta Car by a million sunpower here? :-o

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;There are something like 2000 stars in that cluster alone, including one monster that has 80 times the mass of the Sun, near the theoretical limit of how big a star can be without tearing itself apart.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could be mistaken but don&#039;t I recall reading somewhere of a star that&#039;s wellover a hundred solar masses - a new unlikely stellar &quot;heavyweight&quot; &lt;i&gt;(heavy-mass?)&lt;/i&gt; champion at the core of a very large galactic open cluster - R136 A1 or something like that?

Also weren&#039;t the very first stars ever formed up to even 300 or so solar masses - &quot;cheating&quot; of course, by their exceptionally low metallicity but still? ;-)

Mind you, as noted already, there are only *very* minor nitpicks in an otherwise spot on and very enjoyable blog post here - I&#039;m certainly not complaining or meaning to give you a hard time here, Phil. Just my inner pedant, really. (&amp;, yes, I&#039;m certainly imperfect and fallible and prone to numerous typos myself.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trio of very minor nitpicks here that I just couldn&#8217;t resist mentioning, sorry BA :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>And one day Eta Car will explode. It’s too far away to hurt us, but what a sight that’ll be!</i></p></blockquote>
<p>So, if Eta Carinae is too far away to hurt us why did you choose it to be the death star in your <i>&#8216;Death from the Skies&#8217;</i> book, page 103, chapter 4 (Gamma Ray Bursts) , then?  Don&#8217;t you think it could produce a lethal GRB after all, eh? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p><i>And even now, just sitting there not exploding, it still shines about 4 million times brighter than the Sun. Four million. If the Earth were as close to Eta Car as we are to the Sun, we’d be vaporized into an ionized memory.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I thought Eta Carinae boasted five million times the solar luminosity, BA, no?</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;m sure this merely a ballpark estimate &amp; there are uncertainties and some rounding up / down involved but that&#8217;s certainly what I&#8217;ve read &#8211; so are you shortchanging Eta Car by a million sunpower here? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p><i>There are something like 2000 stars in that cluster alone, including one monster that has 80 times the mass of the Sun, near the theoretical limit of how big a star can be without tearing itself apart.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Could be mistaken but don&#8217;t I recall reading somewhere of a star that&#8217;s wellover a hundred solar masses &#8211; a new unlikely stellar &#8220;heavyweight&#8221; <i>(heavy-mass?)</i> champion at the core of a very large galactic open cluster &#8211; R136 A1 or something like that?</p>
<p>Also weren&#8217;t the very first stars ever formed up to even 300 or so solar masses &#8211; &#8220;cheating&#8221; of course, by their exceptionally low metallicity but still? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mind you, as noted already, there are only *very* minor nitpicks in an otherwise spot on and very enjoyable blog post here &#8211; I&#8217;m certainly not complaining or meaning to give you a hard time here, Phil. Just my inner pedant, really. (&amp;, yes, I&#8217;m certainly imperfect and fallible and prone to numerous typos myself.) </p>
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