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		<title>By: PayasYouStargaze</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/update-partial-success-with-american-airlines/#comment-329645</link>
		<dc:creator>PayasYouStargaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to comment that Julianpenrod is so far removed from reality that he can&#039;t even see the &quot;Older Entries&quot; link at the bottom of the main page. However as I write this the previous article is still on the main page - at the bottom so Phil&#039;s next post should bump it. Therefore I amend my statement to Julianpenrod is so far removed from reality that he can&#039;t even scroll down a webpage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to comment that Julianpenrod is so far removed from reality that he can&#8217;t even see the &#8220;Older Entries&#8221; link at the bottom of the main page. However as I write this the previous article is still on the main page &#8211; at the bottom so Phil&#8217;s next post should bump it. Therefore I amend my statement to Julianpenrod is so far removed from reality that he can&#8217;t even scroll down a webpage.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who claim this violates free speech forget that OTHER people have free speech rights too. They want free speech only for the anti-vaxers. They think those who support vaccines should shut up. So, when an anti-vaccine ad airs on AA, people use their free speech to object. And they choose not to spend their money with AA until they pulled the ad. If NAMBLA wanted to put an ad on AA, people would rightfully object. You have a right to free speech, but you aren&#039;t guaranteed a microphone. Get your on soapbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who claim this violates free speech forget that OTHER people have free speech rights too. They want free speech only for the anti-vaxers. They think those who support vaccines should shut up. So, when an anti-vaccine ad airs on AA, people use their free speech to object. And they choose not to spend their money with AA until they pulled the ad. If NAMBLA wanted to put an ad on AA, people would rightfully object. You have a right to free speech, but you aren&#8217;t guaranteed a microphone. Get your on soapbox.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/update-partial-success-with-american-airlines/#comment-329643</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julianpenrod (34) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The previous part of this issue, the article accusing American Airlines of airing “dangerous” “propaganda, is no longer duisplayed on the website main page. When that happens, an item isn’t immeidately available, if at all. This is a reply to responses made to my comment under that previous article.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s still there.

I was shredding some of nonsense in the antivaxers&#039; comments earlier today.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Like all devotees of the illegitimate, Old Rockin’ Dave concocts a retort completely out of keeping with the issue. I brought up about American Airlines airing the material by Ms. Dorey as being a display of freedom of speech. Old Rockin’ Dave gloatingly exhorts that Constitutional rights don’t extend to private property, like businesses, so they can be as contemptuous of rights as they wish, as long as someone pulls strings to arrange it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, hardly.

ORD pointed out that Dorey&#039;s freedom of speech was not violated, and neither has it been.

She&#039;s as free to blather as she was before.  All the petition did was remove one potential platform for her brand of nonsense.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Except, I wasn’t complaining about them violating rights.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It sure looked like you were when you said &quot;Among other things, American Airlines’ airing an interview with Meryl Dorey falls under “freedom of speech”. But, rest assured, when Constitutional guarantees threaten the connivances and conspiracies of coirporate mega-giant pharmaceutical houses or drug industries, who fund “scientists” all over the world, those “scientists” will thinbk nothing of rising up to impose the dictatorship of the dollar! &quot;

If that isn&#039;t a compaint that Dorey&#039;s freeedom of speech was violated, then you point was lost in your incoherence.  Perhaps you should write a bit slower, and think more about saying what you mean.

&lt;blockquote&gt;New World Order thugs do that frewuently, it’s not surprising to see it happen. I was merely responding to Mr. Plait’s outcry of how could American Airlines do something like this. Old Rockin’ Dave’s reply sounds like the shout of the guilty, contradicting an accusation that wasn’t even made!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except that it really did look like you were making an issue of Dorey&#039;s freedom of speech.  Y&#039;know, by mentioning the phrase &quot;freedom of speech&quot;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Incidentally, few, if any, who condemn the machinations of the New World Order are as repitlianly eager about using “private property” as an excuse for violating Constitutional guarantees. By spouting it, Old Rockin’ Dave has all but admitted to right wing, anti human rights, anti God sympathies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Erm . . . how so?

&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . Leon also depicts doctors as utterly and completely reliable and trustworthy in treating ailments.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not really, but I&#039;m sure that most of them do their honest and level best.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Leaving aside the question of why they need malpractice insurance if they can be so trusted,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Er, because they&#039;r ehuman, and any human can make a mistake.  Also, the insurance ensures that the vidtim of any proven malpractice receives substantial compensation - often far more than the individual physician could afford.

&lt;blockquote&gt; the issue should be expanded to include, for example, the article “Life Laughs at the Limits of Science”, on the NPR websaite, in which, in a switch, one of the pro-”scsience” bloggers actually argues for not thinking that “science” answers all questions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, it doesn&#039;t.  Yet.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And, a point about a comment by Phil Plait. “Vaccines do not cause autism.” Whenever it serves their purpose of denying the presence of God, without demonstrating that they can’t prove it, “Scientists” bleat loudly, “You can’t prove a negative!” Yet here is Phil Plait, claiming solidarity with “science” yet declaring a negative proved!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, it&#039;s not absolutely proven, but what has been proven is that &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; there is a link between vaccines and autism, it is of such trivial significance beside all the other causes of autism that it is not worth pursuing until we&#039;ve resolved all of those other, more significant causes.  And you can take that to the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julianpenrod (34) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The previous part of this issue, the article accusing American Airlines of airing “dangerous” “propaganda, is no longer duisplayed on the website main page. When that happens, an item isn’t immeidately available, if at all. This is a reply to responses made to my comment under that previous article.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s still there.</p>
<p>I was shredding some of nonsense in the antivaxers&#8217; comments earlier today.</p>
<blockquote><p>Like all devotees of the illegitimate, Old Rockin’ Dave concocts a retort completely out of keeping with the issue. I brought up about American Airlines airing the material by Ms. Dorey as being a display of freedom of speech. Old Rockin’ Dave gloatingly exhorts that Constitutional rights don’t extend to private property, like businesses, so they can be as contemptuous of rights as they wish, as long as someone pulls strings to arrange it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, hardly.</p>
<p>ORD pointed out that Dorey&#8217;s freedom of speech was not violated, and neither has it been.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s as free to blather as she was before.  All the petition did was remove one potential platform for her brand of nonsense.</p>
<blockquote><p> Except, I wasn’t complaining about them violating rights.</p></blockquote>
<p>It sure looked like you were when you said &#8220;Among other things, American Airlines’ airing an interview with Meryl Dorey falls under “freedom of speech”. But, rest assured, when Constitutional guarantees threaten the connivances and conspiracies of coirporate mega-giant pharmaceutical houses or drug industries, who fund “scientists” all over the world, those “scientists” will thinbk nothing of rising up to impose the dictatorship of the dollar! &#8221;</p>
<p>If that isn&#8217;t a compaint that Dorey&#8217;s freeedom of speech was violated, then you point was lost in your incoherence.  Perhaps you should write a bit slower, and think more about saying what you mean.</p>
<blockquote><p>New World Order thugs do that frewuently, it’s not surprising to see it happen. I was merely responding to Mr. Plait’s outcry of how could American Airlines do something like this. Old Rockin’ Dave’s reply sounds like the shout of the guilty, contradicting an accusation that wasn’t even made!</p></blockquote>
<p>Except that it really did look like you were making an issue of Dorey&#8217;s freedom of speech.  Y&#8217;know, by mentioning the phrase &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Incidentally, few, if any, who condemn the machinations of the New World Order are as repitlianly eager about using “private property” as an excuse for violating Constitutional guarantees. By spouting it, Old Rockin’ Dave has all but admitted to right wing, anti human rights, anti God sympathies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Erm . . . how so?</p>
<blockquote><p>. . . Leon also depicts doctors as utterly and completely reliable and trustworthy in treating ailments.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not really, but I&#8217;m sure that most of them do their honest and level best.</p>
<blockquote><p> Leaving aside the question of why they need malpractice insurance if they can be so trusted,</p></blockquote>
<p>Er, because they&#8217;r ehuman, and any human can make a mistake.  Also, the insurance ensures that the vidtim of any proven malpractice receives substantial compensation &#8211; often far more than the individual physician could afford.</p>
<blockquote><p> the issue should be expanded to include, for example, the article “Life Laughs at the Limits of Science”, on the NPR websaite, in which, in a switch, one of the pro-”scsience” bloggers actually argues for not thinking that “science” answers all questions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, it doesn&#8217;t.  Yet.</p>
<blockquote><p>And, a point about a comment by Phil Plait. “Vaccines do not cause autism.” Whenever it serves their purpose of denying the presence of God, without demonstrating that they can’t prove it, “Scientists” bleat loudly, “You can’t prove a negative!” Yet here is Phil Plait, claiming solidarity with “science” yet declaring a negative proved!</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s not absolutely proven, but what has been proven is that <i>if</i> there is a link between vaccines and autism, it is of such trivial significance beside all the other causes of autism that it is not worth pursuing until we&#8217;ve resolved all of those other, more significant causes.  And you can take that to the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: American Airlines &#8220;blackmailed&#8221; by &#8220;pharmaceutically funded&#8221; organisations say AVN &#171; Losing In The Lucky Country</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/update-partial-success-with-american-airlines/#comment-329642</link>
		<dc:creator>American Airlines &#8220;blackmailed&#8221; by &#8220;pharmaceutically funded&#8221; organisations say AVN &#171; Losing In The Lucky Country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BenFromCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenFromCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Phil!  Where can we write to AA to express our thanks, as well?  And BTW Phil, you might have save some lives.  How&#039;s that make you feel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Phil!  Where can we write to AA to express our thanks, as well?  And BTW Phil, you might have save some lives.  How&#8217;s that make you feel?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bbmcrae, julianpenrod&#039;s rambling refers to a post he made on the previous thread which, for reasons known only to him, cannot be found by him on the BA blog. Don&#039;t know why; I found it, it hasn&#039;t mysteriously vanished as far as I can see, but he does seem to have a tenuous grip on reality anyway so that probably explains a lot. Anyway, he&#039;s referring to Old Rockin&#039; Dave&#039;s post on this thread http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/american-airlines-to-air-dangerous-antivax-propaganda/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bbmcrae, julianpenrod&#8217;s rambling refers to a post he made on the previous thread which, for reasons known only to him, cannot be found by him on the BA blog. Don&#8217;t know why; I found it, it hasn&#8217;t mysteriously vanished as far as I can see, but he does seem to have a tenuous grip on reality anyway so that probably explains a lot. Anyway, he&#8217;s referring to Old Rockin&#8217; Dave&#8217;s post on this thread <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/american-airlines-to-air-dangerous-antivax-propaganda/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/american-airlines-to-air-dangerous-antivax-propaganda/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bbmcrae</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/update-partial-success-with-american-airlines/#comment-329639</link>
		<dc:creator>bbmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#34

julianpenrod - Your &quot;Old Rockin&#039; Dave&quot; screed....sorry, was that supposed to be coherent or have context?</description>
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<p>julianpenrod &#8211; Your &#8220;Old Rockin&#8217; Dave&#8221; screed&#8230;.sorry, was that supposed to be coherent or have context?</p>
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		<title>By: bbmcrae</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/update-partial-success-with-american-airlines/#comment-329638</link>
		<dc:creator>bbmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people who crow about &quot;freedom of speech&quot; online only seem to do it when someone disagrees (or blows giant logic holes in) their conspiracy theories or bigotry. They don&#039;t care about freedom of speech for the other side, or even bother to understand what it actually means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people who crow about &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; online only seem to do it when someone disagrees (or blows giant logic holes in) their conspiracy theories or bigotry. They don&#8217;t care about freedom of speech for the other side, or even bother to understand what it actually means.</p>
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		<title>By: Number 6</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/update-partial-success-with-american-airlines/#comment-329637</link>
		<dc:creator>Number 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a relief!....Truth wins!....It gives us everyone here hope that all is not lost in a world where as has been stated by others, &quot;Opinion is everyone&#039;s truth these days.&quot;....Sometimes, truth -- the bona-fide article --  is still recognized by many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a relief!&#8230;.Truth wins!&#8230;.It gives us everyone here hope that all is not lost in a world where as has been stated by others, &#8220;Opinion is everyone&#8217;s truth these days.&#8221;&#8230;.Sometimes, truth &#8212; the bona-fide article &#8212;  is still recognized by many people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jefe Loco</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/23/update-partial-success-with-american-airlines/#comment-329636</link>
		<dc:creator>Jefe Loco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading through the petition and pleas linked in #39, I love the following:
&quot;# 24
01:22, Apr 24, Dr. Meryl Derpy, Australia
Homeopathy doesn&#039;t work, homeopaths are frauds. The benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks. Freedom of speech doesn&#039;t include the right to spread misinformation.&quot;

I was thinking about doing a similar posting but &quot;Derpy&quot; already beat me to it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading through the petition and pleas linked in #39, I love the following:<br />
&#8220;# 24<br />
01:22, Apr 24, Dr. Meryl Derpy, Australia<br />
Homeopathy doesn&#8217;t work, homeopaths are frauds. The benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks. Freedom of speech doesn&#8217;t include the right to spread misinformation.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was thinking about doing a similar posting but &#8220;Derpy&#8221; already beat me to it <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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