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		<title>By: flip</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/05/01/followup-antivaxxers-airlines-and-ailments/#comment-330021</link>
		<dc:creator>flip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 01:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, that link to the &quot;ABC&quot; article isn&#039;t... It&#039;s to News.com.au, owned by Murdoch. Not quite the same as the Australian Government-run news agency, Australian Broadcasting Corp. (The link doesn&#039;t seem to work anymore anyway) Surprised Nigel in his nitpicking mode didn&#039;t pick that one...

... I was one of the people who signed the petition to have Dorey&#039;s stuff pulled. I&#039;d love to see her figure out how Big Pharma&#039;s paying me, since I live below the poverty line and am an artist. My only ties to &#039;pharma&#039; is the occasional medication from the local pharmacy. Ah, but facts don&#039;t matter to her...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, that link to the &#8220;ABC&#8221; article isn&#8217;t&#8230; It&#8217;s to News.com.au, owned by Murdoch. Not quite the same as the Australian Government-run news agency, Australian Broadcasting Corp. (The link doesn&#8217;t seem to work anymore anyway) Surprised Nigel in his nitpicking mode didn&#8217;t pick that one&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; I was one of the people who signed the petition to have Dorey&#8217;s stuff pulled. I&#8217;d love to see her figure out how Big Pharma&#8217;s paying me, since I live below the poverty line and am an artist. My only ties to &#8216;pharma&#8217; is the occasional medication from the local pharmacy. Ah, but facts don&#8217;t matter to her&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tribeca Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tribeca Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 15:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #22: &quot;Two years ago an Austrian journalist was jailed, later released, and sued for providing the proofs of the scam.&quot;

What journalist? Where in Austria? Jailed for what exactly and in what month &quot;two years ago&quot;? How much &quot;later&quot; were they &quot;released&quot;? Released on bail or were charges dropped? Sued by whom? What exactly were these &quot;proofs&quot;? Has this mystery reporter done any follow-up reporting in the last two years?

I would think reportage of such world-shaking importance would be worthy of at least one link to a source, reputable or otherwise. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #22: &#8220;Two years ago an Austrian journalist was jailed, later released, and sued for providing the proofs of the scam.&#8221;</p>
<p>What journalist? Where in Austria? Jailed for what exactly and in what month &#8220;two years ago&#8221;? How much &#8220;later&#8221; were they &#8220;released&#8221;? Released on bail or were charges dropped? Sued by whom? What exactly were these &#8220;proofs&#8221;? Has this mystery reporter done any follow-up reporting in the last two years?</p>
<p>I would think reportage of such world-shaking importance would be worthy of at least one link to a source, reputable or otherwise. </p>
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		<title>By: biti</title>
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		<dc:creator>biti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 00:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know were people get the idea that health care in Europe is free. There are a lot of countries and each has its own healthcare system. For instance in the Netherlands you have to pay the first 200 euro yourself before the insurance company picks up the tab. Next year I think it will be the first 400 euro. A lot of money if you don&#039;t have money. And than you also have to pay monthly payments for your insurance. Hefty fines if you don&#039;t have insurance. Flu vacinnes are only free to old and very weak people, maybe heart patients. Just like to clear this up. greetings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know were people get the idea that health care in Europe is free. There are a lot of countries and each has its own healthcare system. For instance in the Netherlands you have to pay the first 200 euro yourself before the insurance company picks up the tab. Next year I think it will be the first 400 euro. A lot of money if you don&#8217;t have money. And than you also have to pay monthly payments for your insurance. Hefty fines if you don&#8217;t have insurance. Flu vacinnes are only free to old and very weak people, maybe heart patients. Just like to clear this up. greetings</p>
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		<title>By: paytonrules</title>
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		<dc:creator>paytonrules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 11:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went and looked at the ABC article, which I tend to avoid cause they just make me angry, and particularly enjoyed this line from Dorey:

&quot;The fact is we are not misrepresenting science - you always have two sides.&quot;

It&#039;s true.  Maybe I don&#039;t breathe air to stay alive, maybe magical fairies live in my lungs.  Maybe gravity doesn&#039;t  hold me to earth, perhaps it&#039;s magnets installed in my feet by the all-powerful magnet lobby.

No, of course you don&#039;t always have two sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went and looked at the ABC article, which I tend to avoid cause they just make me angry, and particularly enjoyed this line from Dorey:</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact is we are not misrepresenting science &#8211; you always have two sides.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true.  Maybe I don&#8217;t breathe air to stay alive, maybe magical fairies live in my lungs.  Maybe gravity doesn&#8217;t  hold me to earth, perhaps it&#8217;s magnets installed in my feet by the all-powerful magnet lobby.</p>
<p>No, of course you don&#8217;t always have two sides.</p>
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		<title>By: J.J.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.J.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 02:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gia:

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Otherwise you come off as someone who has some kind of personal bias against only one region and that’s just counter-productive.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Speak for yourself. I certainly didn&#039;t get that impression.

Also, your complaint: &quot;Europe isn&#039;t the only such source&quot; is perilously close to co-opting the &quot;fair and balanced&quot; or &quot;false equivalence&quot; rhetoric. Phil&#039;s post was appropriate, well-sourced, didn&#039;t suffer any of the problems you cited, didn&#039;t imply (to me at least and probably most of the readers and certainly not to the author) that Europe was exclusively a disease source (or even heap opprobrium on Europe for its higher contribution), etc. Virtually nothing you said withstands scrutiny and seems to reflect more your thin-skinned faux outrage at sensing that someone may possibly be perceived as possibly unfairly criticizing Europe. Only your criticisms even brought this issue to my mind. So, if you were worried about Europe being viewed in an unfair light, to this reader at least, you have only yourself to blame for that, because Phil&#039;s post alone certainly didn&#039;t give me that impression. Yours however did, as a result of your complaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gia:</p>
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Otherwise you come off as someone who has some kind of personal bias against only one region and that’s just counter-productive.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Speak for yourself. I certainly didn&#8217;t get that impression.</p>
<p>Also, your complaint: &#8220;Europe isn&#8217;t the only such source&#8221; is perilously close to co-opting the &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; or &#8220;false equivalence&#8221; rhetoric. Phil&#8217;s post was appropriate, well-sourced, didn&#8217;t suffer any of the problems you cited, didn&#8217;t imply (to me at least and probably most of the readers and certainly not to the author) that Europe was exclusively a disease source (or even heap opprobrium on Europe for its higher contribution), etc. Virtually nothing you said withstands scrutiny and seems to reflect more your thin-skinned faux outrage at sensing that someone may possibly be perceived as possibly unfairly criticizing Europe. Only your criticisms even brought this issue to my mind. So, if you were worried about Europe being viewed in an unfair light, to this reader at least, you have only yourself to blame for that, because Phil&#8217;s post alone certainly didn&#8217;t give me that impression. Yours however did, as a result of your complaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Wzrd1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wzrd1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 02:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gia, you Europeans DO pass the filthy contagion of universal health care being beneficial.
And you also pass the filthy notion that employment is a right.
Here, in the perfect US, we know better. Employment is a privilege that can be revoked for anyone using their rights. Health care is only for the wealthy, with a substitute for the populace through expensive insurance.    ;)

Meanwhile, the statistics show MOST cases of imported measles was from Europe. It&#039;s on the the WHO reports and a regular item on the CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, of which I am a subscriber (actually, to a number of CDC mailing lists).
Phil has also written quite often about anti-vax idiots in the US.
You take slight when none was made. You are condescending to all who attempt to educate you. Frankly, I doubt that my words will influence you further as well and to be frank, you are worth no more of my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gia, you Europeans DO pass the filthy contagion of universal health care being beneficial.<br />
And you also pass the filthy notion that employment is a right.<br />
Here, in the perfect US, we know better. Employment is a privilege that can be revoked for anyone using their rights. Health care is only for the wealthy, with a substitute for the populace through expensive insurance.    <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Meanwhile, the statistics show MOST cases of imported measles was from Europe. It&#8217;s on the the WHO reports and a regular item on the CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, of which I am a subscriber (actually, to a number of CDC mailing lists).<br />
Phil has also written quite often about anti-vax idiots in the US.<br />
You take slight when none was made. You are condescending to all who attempt to educate you. Frankly, I doubt that my words will influence you further as well and to be frank, you are worth no more of my time.</p>
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		<title>By: xmundt</title>
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		<dc:creator>xmundt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 00:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eduardo (22)-  Yea.. what with the heat losses up the chimney and the expense it bring, I think that EVERYONE needs to get Flue vaccine!
     Regards
     dave mundt
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eduardo (22)-  Yea.. what with the heat losses up the chimney and the expense it bring, I think that EVERYONE needs to get Flue vaccine!<br />
     Regards<br />
     dave mundt<br />
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		<title>By: Chris2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 23:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are now more than 200 confirmed cases of measles in Merseyside, UK (it where Liverpool is located).   The issue is not the blanket percentage of coverage, but the areas where there are large gaps.  Measles is so contagious, that vaccine coverage should be 95% to prevent spread.

The article by Dr. Plait above is highlighting that you cannot rely on herd immunity, especially if you travel somewhere that has pockets of low vaccination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are now more than 200 confirmed cases of measles in Merseyside, UK (it where Liverpool is located).   The issue is not the blanket percentage of coverage, but the areas where there are large gaps.  Measles is so contagious, that vaccine coverage should be 95% to prevent spread.</p>
<p>The article by Dr. Plait above is highlighting that you cannot rely on herd immunity, especially if you travel somewhere that has pockets of low vaccination.</p>
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		<title>By: dim</title>
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		<dc:creator>dim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 22:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the WHO data that I could find, the percentages of vaccinated population for measles in America and Europe are almost identical (93 and 95 respectively). And since France in particular seems to be a cause for concern, in 2010 (the most recent data available) the same indicator showed that 90% of the population was vaccinated compared to 92% in the US. Blaming other countries for health problems encountered in the US is not going to change anything, let&#039;s act as responsible adults ; increasing vaccination coverage and education about vaccines in our respective countries is the way to go, we don&#039;t need those unjustified accusations implied by this advertisement campaign.

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/GS_AMRProfile.pdf?CFID=5998236&amp;CFTOKEN=17905292

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/GS_EURProfile.pdf?CFID=5998236&amp;CFTOKEN=17905292

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tswucoveragebycountry.cfm?country=USA

http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tswucoveragebycountry.cfm?country=FRA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the WHO data that I could find, the percentages of vaccinated population for measles in America and Europe are almost identical (93 and 95 respectively). And since France in particular seems to be a cause for concern, in 2010 (the most recent data available) the same indicator showed that 90% of the population was vaccinated compared to 92% in the US. Blaming other countries for health problems encountered in the US is not going to change anything, let&#8217;s act as responsible adults ; increasing vaccination coverage and education about vaccines in our respective countries is the way to go, we don&#8217;t need those unjustified accusations implied by this advertisement campaign.</p>
<p><a href="http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/GS_AMRProfile.pdf?CFID=5998236&#038;CFTOKEN=17905292" rel="nofollow">http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/GS_AMRProfile.pdf?CFID=5998236&#038;CFTOKEN=17905292</a></p>
<p><a href="http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/GS_EURProfile.pdf?CFID=5998236&#038;CFTOKEN=17905292" rel="nofollow">http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/GS_EURProfile.pdf?CFID=5998236&#038;CFTOKEN=17905292</a></p>
<p><a href="http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tswucoveragebycountry.cfm?country=USA" rel="nofollow">http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tswucoveragebycountry.cfm?country=USA</a></p>
<p><a href="http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tswucoveragebycountry.cfm?country=FRA" rel="nofollow">http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tswucoveragebycountry.cfm?country=FRA</a></p>
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		<title>By: Solius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 21:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gia @ 40 wrote:  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;As for all those who did not understand the figurative use of the word “filthy” – I’m sorry, guys and gals, I thought I speaking to adults, not children who took everything literally.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow! Just wow. Now you come back and patronize, almost, everyone that responded to you?
*rollseyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gia @ 40 wrote:<br />
<blockquote><i>As for all those who did not understand the figurative use of the word “filthy” – I’m sorry, guys and gals, I thought I speaking to adults, not children who took everything literally.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Wow! Just wow. Now you come back and patronize, almost, everyone that responded to you?<br />
*rollseyes*</p>
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