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		<title>By: SpaceX successfully tests new engine (VIDEO) &#124; grepScience.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpaceX successfully tests new engine (VIDEO) &#124; grepScience.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] successfully tests new engine (VIDEO)   On June 25, 2012 in Space           SpaceX successfully launched the first privately owned rocket (Falcon 9) and space capsule (Dragon) to the International Space [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] successfully tests new engine (VIDEO)   On June 25, 2012 in Space           SpaceX successfully launched the first privately owned rocket (Falcon 9) and space capsule (Dragon) to the International Space [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Lawyers in Space! The New Era of Spaceflight Needs Some New Rules &#124; The Crux &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawyers in Space! The New Era of Spaceflight Needs Some New Rules &#124; The Crux &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that private companies are making forays into space, though&#8212;with SpaceX’s Dragon capsule mission last week only the first of many, and plans to mine asteroids for private profit seeming more and more [...] </description>
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		<title>By: jfb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nic @33:

The COG is offset a bit by design; this creates a small amount of lift during re-entry, allowing for greater control.  Not as much as a lifting body like the Shuttle orbiter or the Dream Chaser, obviously, but it&#039;s enough.  It does mean that one side gets toastier than the other, but AFAIK that&#039;s just superficial.

The &quot;bloody great crack&quot; is the channel from which the parachute lines deploy.  It&#039;s not a sign of damage.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacex.com/assets/img/20120601-update/027.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This image&lt;/a&gt; shows them a bit more clearly.

Keith K @ 30:

I&#039;m old enough to remember the Apollo missions; you think SpaceX is throwing away a lot of rocket, you&#039;d cry at how much rocket was expended for those missions.  Unfortunately, re-use of Shuttle components really didn&#039;t bring the launch costs down that much.

SpaceX has plans to develop &quot;flyback&quot; stages that return for a landing under their own power (see concept video &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=0&amp;cat=recent&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).  They&#039;ve started work on a test vehicle that will fly up 10-12000 ft and then descend under its own power.

It&#039;s an open issue whether this will be economical.  SpaceX admits that this plan will cost them up to 40% of their payload capacity; there may be missions where they&#039;ll &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to throw away the first and second stages just to get a payload to orbit.  But, even partial reuse would be better than none, &lt;em&gt;if&lt;/em&gt; it results in faster turnaround time and reduced cost.  I can see the first stage recovery working for the Falcon Heavy; the outer cores will stage lower and slower than the central core.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nic @33:</p>
<p>The COG is offset a bit by design; this creates a small amount of lift during re-entry, allowing for greater control.  Not as much as a lifting body like the Shuttle orbiter or the Dream Chaser, obviously, but it&#8217;s enough.  It does mean that one side gets toastier than the other, but AFAIK that&#8217;s just superficial.</p>
<p>The &#8220;bloody great crack&#8221; is the channel from which the parachute lines deploy.  It&#8217;s not a sign of damage.  <a href="http://www.spacex.com/assets/img/20120601-update/027.jpg" rel="nofollow">This image</a> shows them a bit more clearly.</p>
<p>Keith K @ 30:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m old enough to remember the Apollo missions; you think SpaceX is throwing away a lot of rocket, you&#8217;d cry at how much rocket was expended for those missions.  Unfortunately, re-use of Shuttle components really didn&#8217;t bring the launch costs down that much.</p>
<p>SpaceX has plans to develop &#8220;flyback&#8221; stages that return for a landing under their own power (see concept video <a href="http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=0&amp;cat=recent" rel="nofollow">here</a>).  They&#8217;ve started work on a test vehicle that will fly up 10-12000 ft and then descend under its own power.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an open issue whether this will be economical.  SpaceX admits that this plan will cost them up to 40% of their payload capacity; there may be missions where they&#8217;ll <em>have</em> to throw away the first and second stages just to get a payload to orbit.  But, even partial reuse would be better than none, <em>if</em> it results in faster turnaround time and reduced cost.  I can see the first stage recovery working for the Falcon Heavy; the outer cores will stage lower and slower than the central core.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@34, @35.

Thanks guys, I didn&#039;t understand that! I had a long close look at SpaceX&#039;s site after I posted here and realized the &#039;crack&#039; was certainly designed, but I certainly didn&#039;t understand what it was for! Every shot I had seen previously somehow missed that (and I had followed the first COTS flight closely..)

Thankyou all, always willing to learn - but how did you know that (re the parachutes) - I read space stuff everywhere and hadn&#039;t read that.

Incidentally - did anyone else catch Elon&#039;s interview on SpaceflightNow re the scaled up Falcon 9? The uprated Merlin engines (1D) I knew about, but Falcon 9.1 (or was it 9 v1.1?) is (ooh my memory) about a 10% stretch following flight 5 I think..

Thanks,
Nic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@34, @35.</p>
<p>Thanks guys, I didn&#8217;t understand that! I had a long close look at SpaceX&#8217;s site after I posted here and realized the &#8216;crack&#8217; was certainly designed, but I certainly didn&#8217;t understand what it was for! Every shot I had seen previously somehow missed that (and I had followed the first COTS flight closely..)</p>
<p>Thankyou all, always willing to learn &#8211; but how did you know that (re the parachutes) &#8211; I read space stuff everywhere and hadn&#8217;t read that.</p>
<p>Incidentally &#8211; did anyone else catch Elon&#8217;s interview on SpaceflightNow re the scaled up Falcon 9? The uprated Merlin engines (1D) I knew about, but Falcon 9.1 (or was it 9 v1.1?) is (ooh my memory) about a 10% stretch following flight 5 I think..</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Nic</p>
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		<title>By: Ben H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 03:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,
Good point. Lots of people are forgetting that. But we should probably give them a bit of a pass because there is definitely a lot more significance to this most recent mission where SpaceX was put through the ringer of objectives. Not to mention they actually delivered cargo to the ISS - despite it being a &quot;demo&quot; mission.

I particularly like that there was a &quot;splashdown&quot; timer on the wall in Mission Control last week. THAT has not happened since Apollo-Soyuz in the &#039;70s.

https://twitter.com/spaceguy87/status/206608225120956416

Ben H
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,<br />
Good point. Lots of people are forgetting that. But we should probably give them a bit of a pass because there is definitely a lot more significance to this most recent mission where SpaceX was put through the ringer of objectives. Not to mention they actually delivered cargo to the ISS &#8211; despite it being a &#8220;demo&#8221; mission.</p>
<p>I particularly like that there was a &#8220;splashdown&#8221; timer on the wall in Mission Control last week. THAT has not happened since Apollo-Soyuz in the &#8217;70s.</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/spaceguy87/status/206608225120956416" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spaceguy87/status/206608225120956416</a></p>
<p>Ben H<br />
Mission Control, TX</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 00:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, you are wrong when you wrote &quot;And we haven’t seen an ocean splashdown of an American spacecraft since the 1970s!&quot;
SpaceX did just that in December 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, you are wrong when you wrote &#8220;And we haven’t seen an ocean splashdown of an American spacecraft since the 1970s!&#8221;<br />
SpaceX did just that in December 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,
I agree with others that it would be worth your time to clarify your terminology when it comes to ISS rendezvous. To a lot of lay readers it may not matter but you have many technically minded and geeky readers who would be interested in the discrepancy.

When it comes to ISS, we use the term &quot;dock&quot; to specifically refer to a vehicle that flies into contact at a docking port under its own power. This is how the Space Shuttle, Soyuz, Progress, ATV, and some future vehicles meet up with ISS. It is important ot make this distinction when it comes to SpaceX and HTV (and eventually Orbital) because their method of rendezvous is to fly very close and then become passive so that the ISS can do the tricky part of snagging it with the robot arm (SSRMS, if you prefer). Once the robot arm has grabbed Dragon, it becomes just another &quot;module&quot; to be attached.

The port where Dragon is &quot;berthed&quot; isn&#039;t even a docking port. It doesn&#039;t have sensors or mechanisms that a vehicle could just fly into. Instead it is one of the &quot;common berthing mechanisms&quot;. In the future if Dragon brings people to ISS, we expect it to fly in for a real docking to one of the PMA (pressurized mating adapters) like the space shuttle.

- Ben H.
Mission Control, Texas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,<br />
I agree with others that it would be worth your time to clarify your terminology when it comes to ISS rendezvous. To a lot of lay readers it may not matter but you have many technically minded and geeky readers who would be interested in the discrepancy.</p>
<p>When it comes to ISS, we use the term &#8220;dock&#8221; to specifically refer to a vehicle that flies into contact at a docking port under its own power. This is how the Space Shuttle, Soyuz, Progress, ATV, and some future vehicles meet up with ISS. It is important ot make this distinction when it comes to SpaceX and HTV (and eventually Orbital) because their method of rendezvous is to fly very close and then become passive so that the ISS can do the tricky part of snagging it with the robot arm (SSRMS, if you prefer). Once the robot arm has grabbed Dragon, it becomes just another &#8220;module&#8221; to be attached.</p>
<p>The port where Dragon is &#8220;berthed&#8221; isn&#8217;t even a docking port. It doesn&#8217;t have sensors or mechanisms that a vehicle could just fly into. Instead it is one of the &#8220;common berthing mechanisms&#8221;. In the future if Dragon brings people to ISS, we expect it to fly in for a real docking to one of the PMA (pressurized mating adapters) like the space shuttle.</p>
<p>- Ben H.<br />
Mission Control, Texas</p>
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		<title>By: Tad Ghostal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad Ghostal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@33

The crack is normal, it&#039;s for the parachute lines. The parachutes are packed in the bottom of the capsule to maximize usable space inside, but they&#039;re anchored on top, so they need those grooves to let the lines out.

And at least some of the difference in scorching is hatch side vs. parachute side. They try to protect the hatch during reentry, so it comes through better. The parachute side of the first Dragon was pretty charred too: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qQW-hBn8t-E/ThFynE4BdpI/AAAAAAAAUs8/_0ApJmlSUUE/s1600/SPACEX01.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@33</p>
<p>The crack is normal, it&#8217;s for the parachute lines. The parachutes are packed in the bottom of the capsule to maximize usable space inside, but they&#8217;re anchored on top, so they need those grooves to let the lines out.</p>
<p>And at least some of the difference in scorching is hatch side vs. parachute side. They try to protect the hatch during reentry, so it comes through better. The parachute side of the first Dragon was pretty charred too: <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qQW-hBn8t-E/ThFynE4BdpI/AAAAAAAAUs8/_0ApJmlSUUE/s1600/SPACEX01.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qQW-hBn8t-E/ThFynE4BdpI/AAAAAAAAUs8/_0ApJmlSUUE/s1600/SPACEX01.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: babyET</title>
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		<dc:creator>babyET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 04:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nic 33
That&#039;s not a structural crack! Rather it&#039;s the shear path which is designed to tear in the protective thermal insulation when the drogue mortar fires (parachutes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nic 33<br />
That&#8217;s not a structural crack! Rather it&#8217;s the shear path which is designed to tear in the protective thermal insulation when the drogue mortar fires (parachutes).</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does look pretty scorched doesn&#039;t it? Odd given the first one looked pretty pristine post re-entry.
Perhaps the center of gravity was a bit off (with the return payload) and, if it was rolling, the ablated heat shield dumped its remains on the skin above all over. Don&#039;t ask me, I&#039;m a software engineer!
What I don&#039;t understand if why there appears (to me certainly) to be a bloody great crack in it.
Now I am sure this can&#039;t be majorly structural or it would have disintegrated at mach 15 or something. Or it would have sank perhaps.
I guess we will find out after NASA and SpaceX have their post mission chat..

I personally hope all is fine, but given the well publicized &#039;Mars/Moon&#039; capable heat shield and how rough it looks this time - well I want to see an explanation. Even something like - &#039;bit of a thruster fuel oxidizer mismatch, harmless, but made loads of soot&#039;.

We will see!
Nic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does look pretty scorched doesn&#8217;t it? Odd given the first one looked pretty pristine post re-entry.<br />
Perhaps the center of gravity was a bit off (with the return payload) and, if it was rolling, the ablated heat shield dumped its remains on the skin above all over. Don&#8217;t ask me, I&#8217;m a software engineer!<br />
What I don&#8217;t understand if why there appears (to me certainly) to be a bloody great crack in it.<br />
Now I am sure this can&#8217;t be majorly structural or it would have disintegrated at mach 15 or something. Or it would have sank perhaps.<br />
I guess we will find out after NASA and SpaceX have their post mission chat..</p>
<p>I personally hope all is fine, but given the well publicized &#8216;Mars/Moon&#8217; capable heat shield and how rough it looks this time &#8211; well I want to see an explanation. Even something like &#8211; &#8216;bit of a thruster fuel oxidizer mismatch, harmless, but made loads of soot&#8217;.</p>
<p>We will see!<br />
Nic</p>
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