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	<title>Comments on: Another spiral &quot;UFO&quot; lights up the sky. And it IS a spaceship.</title>
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		<title>By: Tony Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 13:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A prediction that &quot;In six the spiral will cause a fright&quot; was published in 2003 in Mother Shipton:the missing Prophecies by Austin &amp; Yule, Black Rabbit Press, in verse IV:37. The prediction was written in 1990.  The first known spiral was seen in Russia in 2006 as predicted.  Can you predict what will be seen in the sky 16 years hence, ie 2028?  I think not.  More spirals were seen in Norway in 2011, Russia in 2009, and Australia in 2010.  Don&#039;t ask me what they are, except some say they are produced by leaking fuel from booster tanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A prediction that &#8220;In six the spiral will cause a fright&#8221; was published in 2003 in Mother Shipton:the missing Prophecies by Austin &amp; Yule, Black Rabbit Press, in verse IV:37. The prediction was written in 1990.  The first known spiral was seen in Russia in 2006 as predicted.  Can you predict what will be seen in the sky 16 years hence, ie 2028?  I think not.  More spirals were seen in Norway in 2011, Russia in 2009, and Australia in 2010.  Don&#8217;t ask me what they are, except some say they are produced by leaking fuel from booster tanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Sharp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since it was Russians, maybe they were pulling a Crazy Ivan?</description>
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		<title>By: whlhousejocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>whlhousejocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a leak or is someone showering in the backgrown?</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@47 MTU:  &lt;i&gt; It is also be available for viewing via Youtube – click on my name here. One area where youtube is really good. &lt;/i&gt;

Great find!  And in HD too! I just might watch it again when there&#039;s nothing decent on TV (I shouldn&#039;t have to wait long).  Actually, I think they made a couple seasons&#039; worth of episodes (that I don&#039;t think were all aired here)  after that big pilot.  I&#039;ll bet they&#039;re on there too.

&lt;i&gt;PS. Is it me tempting fate here or is there actually a surprising derth of Flying Crockery believers commenting these days – just a couple at least on this thread versus many, many more on the previous UFO related ones? I thought we might be flooded with them here but not so far. A hopeful sign perhaps? Or famous last words?  &lt;/i&gt;

Eh, I think perhaps the credible just have &quot;flying saucer fatigue&quot;?  I remember when I was young; and I was still very much into UFOs, alien abductions, conspiracies, etc etc; coming across a book on UFOs (again, a subject I was interested in) and thinking &quot;Great.  &lt;b&gt;Another&lt;/b&gt; one!  I&#039;ll bet it&#039;s got all the favorites - Aurora, Texas; the &quot;Battle of Los Angeles,&quot; Roswell, NM;  Thomas Mantell, &#039;52 Washington, DC; Betty and Barney hill, Shag Harbor, Gulf Breeze, the Rendlesham forest incident, yadda yadda.  Yawn.&quot;  I think it&#039;s the first time it really occurred to me that there must not be &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; much &quot;there&quot; there, if all the books I could find kept repeating the same old stuff over and over.  Considering the number of self-described UFO &quot;researchers&quot;, it sure started to seem like they really weren&#039;t turning out a whole lot of new &lt;i&gt;research&lt;/i&gt;.
Perhaps belief in an alien cover-up is self-limiting?  The more you read about it, the less new stuff you find and the more boring it becomes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@47 MTU:  <i> It is also be available for viewing via Youtube – click on my name here. One area where youtube is really good. </i></p>
<p>Great find!  And in HD too! I just might watch it again when there&#8217;s nothing decent on TV (I shouldn&#8217;t have to wait long).  Actually, I think they made a couple seasons&#8217; worth of episodes (that I don&#8217;t think were all aired here)  after that big pilot.  I&#8217;ll bet they&#8217;re on there too.</p>
<p><i>PS. Is it me tempting fate here or is there actually a surprising derth of Flying Crockery believers commenting these days – just a couple at least on this thread versus many, many more on the previous UFO related ones? I thought we might be flooded with them here but not so far. A hopeful sign perhaps? Or famous last words?  </i></p>
<p>Eh, I think perhaps the credible just have &#8220;flying saucer fatigue&#8221;?  I remember when I was young; and I was still very much into UFOs, alien abductions, conspiracies, etc etc; coming across a book on UFOs (again, a subject I was interested in) and thinking &#8220;Great.  <b>Another</b> one!  I&#8217;ll bet it&#8217;s got all the favorites &#8211; Aurora, Texas; the &#8220;Battle of Los Angeles,&#8221; Roswell, NM;  Thomas Mantell, &#8217;52 Washington, DC; Betty and Barney hill, Shag Harbor, Gulf Breeze, the Rendlesham forest incident, yadda yadda.  Yawn.&#8221;  I think it&#8217;s the first time it really occurred to me that there must not be <i>that</i> much &#8220;there&#8221; there, if all the books I could find kept repeating the same old stuff over and over.  Considering the number of self-described UFO &#8220;researchers&#8221;, it sure started to seem like they really weren&#8217;t turning out a whole lot of new <i>research</i>.<br />
Perhaps belief in an alien cover-up is self-limiting?  The more you read about it, the less new stuff you find and the more boring it becomes?</p>
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		<title>By: Social Blend &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Blend 204: RUSH to the Clockwork Angels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Blend &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Blend 204: RUSH to the Clockwork Angels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: drx1</title>
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		<dc:creator>drx1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>technically Captain John Sheridan did the atmospheric hyperspace jump (FTL) in the year - circa - 2260ish... where as Admiral Bill Adama made the maneuver in -148,000, but I should not give to much away as the An&#039;la shock fund only could use 90&#039;s tech vs. the &#039;00 tech in BSG - which was very retro, BTW.

Clearly this was John Critchon performing his mini &quot;shuttle&quot; tests... we know the real shuttles will never be retired!!!  Where he warps into a Peace Keeper fight and kills the commanders (captains?) brother, because clearly the brother is insane.   Then it gets better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>technically Captain John Sheridan did the atmospheric hyperspace jump (FTL) in the year &#8211; circa &#8211; 2260ish&#8230; where as Admiral Bill Adama made the maneuver in -148,000, but I should not give to much away as the An&#8217;la shock fund only could use 90&#8242;s tech vs. the &#8217;00 tech in BSG &#8211; which was very retro, BTW.</p>
<p>Clearly this was John Critchon performing his mini &#8220;shuttle&#8221; tests&#8230; we know the real shuttles will never be retired!!!  Where he warps into a Peace Keeper fight and kills the commanders (captains?) brother, because clearly the brother is insane.   Then it gets better!</p>
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		<title>By: Messier Tidy Upper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Messier Tidy Upper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 03:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@45.   Joseph G :

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;By your reaction I’m assuming they didn’t just introduce the viewer to manatees and conclude with “case closed”?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sadly, no.

The &quot;doco&quot; is in the linked article  if you&#039;re curious - bad fiction passed off without &lt;i&gt;(english anyhow)&lt;/i&gt; disclaimer as fact. :-(

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;It really is sad, though. The History Channel used to have some fantastic science programs. One that I really enjoyed was called “How the Earth was Made.” It’s about the changes the Earth saw, from its start as a molten lump of aggregated bolides to the present day and beyond.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Think I might&#039;ve seen that one or one like it. Love to see genuinely good docos like those - guess we can always hope they screen it as a repeat now and then. It is also be available for viewing via Youtube - click on my name here. One area where youtube is really good. :-)

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PS. Is it me tempting fate here or is there actually a surprising derth of Flying Crockery believers commenting these days - just a couple at least on this thread versus many, many more on the previous UFO related ones? I thought we might be flooded with them here but not so far. A hopeful sign perhaps? Or famous last words?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@45.   Joseph G :</p>
<blockquote><p><i>By your reaction I’m assuming they didn’t just introduce the viewer to manatees and conclude with “case closed”?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Sadly, no.</p>
<p>The &#8220;doco&#8221; is in the linked article  if you&#8217;re curious &#8211; bad fiction passed off without <i>(english anyhow)</i> disclaimer as fact. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p><i>It really is sad, though. The History Channel used to have some fantastic science programs. One that I really enjoyed was called “How the Earth was Made.” It’s about the changes the Earth saw, from its start as a molten lump of aggregated bolides to the present day and beyond.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Think I might&#8217;ve seen that one or one like it. Love to see genuinely good docos like those &#8211; guess we can always hope they screen it as a repeat now and then. It is also be available for viewing via Youtube &#8211; click on my name here. One area where youtube is really good. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>PS. Is it me tempting fate here or is there actually a surprising derth of Flying Crockery believers commenting these days &#8211; just a couple at least on this thread versus many, many more on the previous UFO related ones? I thought we might be flooded with them here but not so far. A hopeful sign perhaps? Or famous last words?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Interdimensional vortex = not known to be possible;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even if we imagine that it was possible, I have a very hard time believing that creating one would be simpler than creating a rocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Interdimensional vortex = not known to be possible;</p></blockquote>
<p>Even if we imagine that it was possible, I have a very hard time believing that creating one would be simpler than creating a rocket.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@34 ellindsey: &lt;i&gt;I suspect that what we are seeing is a thrust termination system activating at the end of the third stage. The Topol is a three-stage solid fueled ICBM. Shutting off thrust at the right moment is critical for targeting, but you can’t shut off a solid fuel rocket like you can a liquid one. Instead, the last stage of the solid rocket has ports which blow open on the front, stopping the thrust and also sometimes causing the stage to tumble. That’s probably what we’re seeing here – not a failure, but a normal termination of thrust.&lt;/i&gt;

Cool!  Thanks for the explanation (and answer to my question of why they&#039;d repeatedly use such a wacky pinwheel rocket in the first place)  :)

@39 MTU:  &lt;i&gt;Conjecture is putting it politely! &lt;/i&gt;
&quot;History Channel Bull****&quot; didn&#039;t have the same ring to it :)

It really is sad, though.  The History Channel used to have some fantastic science programs.  One that I really enjoyed was called &quot;How the Earth was Made.&quot;  It&#039;s about the changes the Earth saw, from its start as a molten lump of aggregated bolides to the present day and beyond.

One thing I really liked about it is that it doesn&#039;t just spout facts at you - it looks at the history of various scientist&#039;s hypotheses for things like plate tectonics or the oxygen catastrophe, and the evidence that eventually was discovered for these things, with periodic brief &quot;reviews&quot; of said evidence.  It really gives you a sense of the detective work involved in science, and HOW all these factoids got into the textbooks in the first place.  It&#039;s one of the few science series I&#039;ve ever seen to do this.

&lt;i&gt;See for instance this via PZ’s blog :
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/06/10/the-wages-of-pseudoscience/
where one pay TV channel screened an apparently serious “doco” on mermaids! Mermaids for pity’s sake. Aaarrrggh! &lt;/i&gt;

By your reaction I&#039;m assuming they didn&#039;t just introduce the viewer to manatees and conclude with &quot;case closed&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@34 ellindsey: <i>I suspect that what we are seeing is a thrust termination system activating at the end of the third stage. The Topol is a three-stage solid fueled ICBM. Shutting off thrust at the right moment is critical for targeting, but you can’t shut off a solid fuel rocket like you can a liquid one. Instead, the last stage of the solid rocket has ports which blow open on the front, stopping the thrust and also sometimes causing the stage to tumble. That’s probably what we’re seeing here – not a failure, but a normal termination of thrust.</i></p>
<p>Cool!  Thanks for the explanation (and answer to my question of why they&#8217;d repeatedly use such a wacky pinwheel rocket in the first place)  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@39 MTU:  <i>Conjecture is putting it politely! </i><br />
&#8220;History Channel Bull****&#8221; didn&#8217;t have the same ring to it <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It really is sad, though.  The History Channel used to have some fantastic science programs.  One that I really enjoyed was called &#8220;How the Earth was Made.&#8221;  It&#8217;s about the changes the Earth saw, from its start as a molten lump of aggregated bolides to the present day and beyond.</p>
<p>One thing I really liked about it is that it doesn&#8217;t just spout facts at you &#8211; it looks at the history of various scientist&#8217;s hypotheses for things like plate tectonics or the oxygen catastrophe, and the evidence that eventually was discovered for these things, with periodic brief &#8220;reviews&#8221; of said evidence.  It really gives you a sense of the detective work involved in science, and HOW all these factoids got into the textbooks in the first place.  It&#8217;s one of the few science series I&#8217;ve ever seen to do this.</p>
<p><i>See for instance this via PZ’s blog :<br />
<a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/06/10/the-wages-of-pseudoscience/" rel="nofollow">http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/06/10/the-wages-of-pseudoscience/</a><br />
where one pay TV channel screened an apparently serious “doco” on mermaids! Mermaids for pity’s sake. Aaarrrggh! </i></p>
<p>By your reaction I&#8217;m assuming they didn&#8217;t just introduce the viewer to manatees and conclude with &#8220;case closed&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, a jumbo sized Magic Hyp-no-Disc from the Johnson-Smith catalog.</description>
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