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		<title>By: emkay</title>
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		<dc:creator>emkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Nigel Depledge wrote about 13 paragraphs of stuff, then mispelled &#039;skeptic (several times) ...thats really sinking it to the bone Nigel......statistics? crap, everyone makes them work for whatever cause you are pushing.... by the way, ONE volcano dumps more CO2 than all of mankind in a year...not the other way around or 100 times more.... look it up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Nigel Depledge wrote about 13 paragraphs of stuff, then mispelled &#8216;skeptic (several times) &#8230;thats really sinking it to the bone Nigel&#8230;&#8230;statistics? crap, everyone makes them work for whatever cause you are pushing&#8230;. by the way, ONE volcano dumps more CO2 than all of mankind in a year&#8230;not the other way around or 100 times more&#8230;. look it up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bwana</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/07/19/huge-glacier-calves-off-greenland/#comment-336292</link>
		<dc:creator>bwana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re still coming out of the last ice age.  Quite reasonable to expect glaciers and sea ice to be melting!  And yes, humans may be accelerating the process BUT I&#039;m not arrogant enough to think we impact (very much) what nature can do all on her own...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re still coming out of the last ice age.  Quite reasonable to expect glaciers and sea ice to be melting!  And yes, humans may be accelerating the process BUT I&#8217;m not arrogant enough to think we impact (very much) what nature can do all on her own&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Another Week of GW News, July 22, 2012 [A Few Things Ill Considered] &#124; Single Planet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Week of GW News, July 22, 2012 [A Few Things Ill Considered] &#124; Single Planet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 01:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/07/19/huge-glacier-calves-off-greenland/#comment-336290</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s to say that global warming is abnormal?  It&#039;s happened in the past.  I look forward to the unveiling of Greenland&#039;s prior civilization.  That should be fascinating!  Perhaps ice caps act as (small) thermal capacitors for the planet and this is their discharge cycle.  The ice caps melt to some degree every year.  Why is it that only the melting part makes news?  In all honesty it is global cooling (which made for alarm in the 1970s) that has been and will again be the extinguisher of mass populations.  Keep warm my friend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s to say that global warming is abnormal?  It&#8217;s happened in the past.  I look forward to the unveiling of Greenland&#8217;s prior civilization.  That should be fascinating!  Perhaps ice caps act as (small) thermal capacitors for the planet and this is their discharge cycle.  The ice caps melt to some degree every year.  Why is it that only the melting part makes news?  In all honesty it is global cooling (which made for alarm in the 1970s) that has been and will again be the extinguisher of mass populations.  Keep warm my friend!</p>
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		<title>By: ip intel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ip intel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we need to come up with some biobots that eat CO2 and fart oxygen --oh wait plants do that -preserve , plant more forests  ... dont produce electricity from lignite and oil --oh wait we can produce electricity from the sun, the air , water motion on rivers and oceans ...

We do know these, we even know more that these,  we just don&#039;t care enough and it is much &#039;cheaper&#039; to not do anything about it.

So keep on bitching until you change the collective consciousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need to come up with some biobots that eat CO2 and fart oxygen &#8211;oh wait plants do that -preserve , plant more forests  &#8230; dont produce electricity from lignite and oil &#8211;oh wait we can produce electricity from the sun, the air , water motion on rivers and oceans &#8230;</p>
<p>We do know these, we even know more that these,  we just don&#8217;t care enough and it is much &#8216;cheaper&#8217; to not do anything about it.</p>
<p>So keep on bitching until you change the collective consciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/07/19/huge-glacier-calves-off-greenland/#comment-336288</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That ad hominem article (&quot;Football and Hockey&quot;) is truly sick. Also, the writer, Mark Steyn, doesn&#039;t seem to know what &quot;cove&quot; means at all, and confused &quot;systemic&quot; with &quot;systematic&quot;. There&#039;s no need to hyphenate &quot;climate change&quot; since it&#039;s just a noun being modified by another noun, like &quot;garden hose&quot;. And I don&#039;t even know &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt; to make of the phrase &quot;tree-ring circus&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That ad hominem article (&#8220;Football and Hockey&#8221;) is truly sick. Also, the writer, Mark Steyn, doesn&#8217;t seem to know what &#8220;cove&#8221; means at all, and confused &#8220;systemic&#8221; with &#8220;systematic&#8221;. There&#8217;s no need to hyphenate &#8220;climate change&#8221; since it&#8217;s just a noun being modified by another noun, like &#8220;garden hose&#8221;. And I don&#8217;t even know <i>what</i> to make of the phrase &#8220;tree-ring circus&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/07/19/huge-glacier-calves-off-greenland/#comment-336287</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ragin Kagin (80) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;To the people responding with links and ideas, that’s exactly what I meant. I said I knew they must be out there, but I hadn’t heard about them, and certainly I haven’t seen any from this site. Not to trash on Phil or this blog, which I read and enjoy daily, but I hardly ever see any sort of positive or inventive articles on many of the problems discussed so regularly. It is very frustrating to see that the scientific community, or perhaps it would be better to place blame on the people reporting on the scientific community, never seem to report on what can be done to solve the issues. I look forward to reading up on the links you guys provided. Again, I love Phil and the blog, I didn’t like how aggressive he was in the end of his article, but he’s certainly entitled to his opinion on his blog and I still enjoy him for it. I do not dispute that global warming is true, nor do I dispute these big ideas exist, I just didn’t know what they were…until now. Thank you!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I have no idea what media access you have but it seems to me that you have been looking in the wrong places.

Potential solutions to AGW - whether these are economic, political or technological - are reported in New Scientist on a regular basis.

So, I dispute your contention that such solutions are not being investigated or explored, and I dispute your contention that these investigations are not being reported.

As to the tone of Phil&#039;s article that you dislike - well, the USA is the only country of which I am aware in which a significant portion of the population rejects the reality of AGW.  For quite a large proportion of the last 20 years, the USA, as well as being the world&#039;s largest economy, has been the largest &lt;i&gt;per capita&lt;/i&gt; emitter of GHGs (I do not know if it still is - I saw a report not too long ago that Australia was now the largest &lt;i&gt;per capita&lt;/i&gt; emitter), so getting the USA on board with any coordinated international effort to deal with AGW is critical.  So, the anti-AGW crowd needs to be shown to be arguing with nothing more than hot air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ragin Kagin (80) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>To the people responding with links and ideas, that’s exactly what I meant. I said I knew they must be out there, but I hadn’t heard about them, and certainly I haven’t seen any from this site. Not to trash on Phil or this blog, which I read and enjoy daily, but I hardly ever see any sort of positive or inventive articles on many of the problems discussed so regularly. It is very frustrating to see that the scientific community, or perhaps it would be better to place blame on the people reporting on the scientific community, never seem to report on what can be done to solve the issues. I look forward to reading up on the links you guys provided. Again, I love Phil and the blog, I didn’t like how aggressive he was in the end of his article, but he’s certainly entitled to his opinion on his blog and I still enjoy him for it. I do not dispute that global warming is true, nor do I dispute these big ideas exist, I just didn’t know what they were…until now. Thank you!</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I have no idea what media access you have but it seems to me that you have been looking in the wrong places.</p>
<p>Potential solutions to AGW &#8211; whether these are economic, political or technological &#8211; are reported in New Scientist on a regular basis.</p>
<p>So, I dispute your contention that such solutions are not being investigated or explored, and I dispute your contention that these investigations are not being reported.</p>
<p>As to the tone of Phil&#8217;s article that you dislike &#8211; well, the USA is the only country of which I am aware in which a significant portion of the population rejects the reality of AGW.  For quite a large proportion of the last 20 years, the USA, as well as being the world&#8217;s largest economy, has been the largest <i>per capita</i> emitter of GHGs (I do not know if it still is &#8211; I saw a report not too long ago that Australia was now the largest <i>per capita</i> emitter), so getting the USA on board with any coordinated international effort to deal with AGW is critical.  So, the anti-AGW crowd needs to be shown to be arguing with nothing more than hot air.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ TheBlackCat:

I sadly agree with your assessment of the situation.  You are among the contributors to this forum that I most highly respect and admire. Keep up the good work!

 I also agree that, everything considered, the government is not really doing us any favors by using subsidies to artificially keep fossil fuel prices down, if this discourages the development of renewable resources and maximizing energy efficiency and resource conservation.

IIUC, peak oil has either already happened or very soon will.  I hope it is not too late to make a significant impact on slowing global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TheBlackCat:</p>
<p>I sadly agree with your assessment of the situation.  You are among the contributors to this forum that I most highly respect and admire. Keep up the good work!</p>
<p> I also agree that, everything considered, the government is not really doing us any favors by using subsidies to artificially keep fossil fuel prices down, if this discourages the development of renewable resources and maximizing energy efficiency and resource conservation.</p>
<p>IIUC, peak oil has either already happened or very soon will.  I hope it is not too late to make a significant impact on slowing global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@  Gunnar: First we have to remove all the subsidies coal, oil, and gas receive.  Part of the reason they are so cheap is because the government gives a ton of money and other concessions to keep prices down.

The question regarding peak oil is whether it will happen soon enough to have much of an impact on global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@  Gunnar: First we have to remove all the subsidies coal, oil, and gas receive.  Part of the reason they are so cheap is because the government gives a ton of money and other concessions to keep prices down.</p>
<p>The question regarding peak oil is whether it will happen soon enough to have much of an impact on global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve Metzler:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The way of the future is to make renewable energy, like: concentrated solar, wind, wave, and geothermal, more viable by making their costs per KWhr competitive with the prices we now pay for coal, oil, and gas.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed!  However, it is also true that if we continue our profligate use of coal, oil and gas, their increasing scarcity will force their cost to rapidly escalate to the point that renewable energy will become very cost competitive with fossil fuels--no matter what we do or don&#039;t do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve Metzler:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The way of the future is to make renewable energy, like: concentrated solar, wind, wave, and geothermal, more viable by making their costs per KWhr competitive with the prices we now pay for coal, oil, and gas.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed!  However, it is also true that if we continue our profligate use of coal, oil and gas, their increasing scarcity will force their cost to rapidly escalate to the point that renewable energy will become very cost competitive with fossil fuels&#8211;no matter what we do or don&#8217;t do.</p>
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