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		<title>By: The Original Armstrong - Page 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Original Armstrong - Page 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Re: The Original Armstrong           Originally Posted by Britishbane   Read up: Phil Plait&#039;s Bad Astronomy: Misconceptions   Oh and here are pictures of the Apollo 16 flag: &#8230; and the flags *ARE* still there! &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Re: The Original Armstrong           Originally Posted by Britishbane   Read up: Phil Plait&#039;s Bad Astronomy: Misconceptions   Oh and here are pictures of the Apollo 16 flag: &#8230; and the flags *ARE* still there! | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Steve Tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nostalgia time!  As an old Apollo guy from Goddard, I and several of my colleagues spent the Apollo 16 mission at mission control in Houston.  It was sort of an at-a-boy award.  I went there at least once prior to each mission to conduct worldwide mission simulations, but this was over the top.  Sitting in Mission Control or in one of the support rooms was magical.  I’m not sure that I breathed much for the entire mission.  This film has really brought back fond memories.  I remember the RTCC, Ed Fendell, had created a command sequence to uplink to the rover camera so we could watch lift off from the moon for the first time.  More magic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nostalgia time!  As an old Apollo guy from Goddard, I and several of my colleagues spent the Apollo 16 mission at mission control in Houston.  It was sort of an at-a-boy award.  I went there at least once prior to each mission to conduct worldwide mission simulations, but this was over the top.  Sitting in Mission Control or in one of the support rooms was magical.  I’m not sure that I breathed much for the entire mission.  This film has really brought back fond memories.  I remember the RTCC, Ed Fendell, had created a command sequence to uplink to the rover camera so we could watch lift off from the moon for the first time.  More magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Bruchmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars Bruchmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently saw footage of one of the ascent stage lift-offs from inside the ascent stage. What really caught my eye was a piece of insulation or similar being blown off the descent stage. I found the entire scene amazing because if there were atmosphere the flimsy mylar would have twisted and bent. Instead it flew outwards flipping end over end. It also went WAY farther than if it were in 1G. To me that single several-second-long footage shows an air-less environment with much lower gravity than on Earth. It looked so unnatural. Just amazing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently saw footage of one of the ascent stage lift-offs from inside the ascent stage. What really caught my eye was a piece of insulation or similar being blown off the descent stage. I found the entire scene amazing because if there were atmosphere the flimsy mylar would have twisted and bent. Instead it flew outwards flipping end over end. It also went WAY farther than if it were in 1G. To me that single several-second-long footage shows an air-less environment with much lower gravity than on Earth. It looked so unnatural. Just amazing!</p>
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		<title>By: Las banderas de las misiones Apollo siguen de pie en la Luna &#124; Cosmo Noticias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Las banderas de las misiones Apollo siguen de pie en la Luna &#124; Cosmo Noticias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bad Astronomy, [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 Eric, #26 Peter:
Not to mention the fact that the isotopic composition of the lunar rock samples has been found to be consistent with the currently accepted theory of the Moon&#039;s formation - a theory which was first proposed, based on independent astronomical evidence, &lt;i&gt;15 years&lt;/i&gt; after Apollo 11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 Eric, #26 Peter:<br />
Not to mention the fact that the isotopic composition of the lunar rock samples has been found to be consistent with the currently accepted theory of the Moon&#8217;s formation &#8211; a theory which was first proposed, based on independent astronomical evidence, <i>15 years</i> after Apollo 11.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMForeman (63) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder why the LRV looks so dark. In photos it always seemed a fairly light color, but maybe it’s so much less reflective than the Lunar regolith that it just appears very dark at that exposure?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What seems more likely to me is that the LRV itself is very hard to see, but that its shadow stands out against the lunar regolith.  Thus, what we see at the place labelled &quot;LRV&quot; would actually be the LRV&#039;s shadow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMForeman (63) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I wonder why the LRV looks so dark. In photos it always seemed a fairly light color, but maybe it’s so much less reflective than the Lunar regolith that it just appears very dark at that exposure?</p></blockquote>
<p>What seems more likely to me is that the LRV itself is very hard to see, but that its shadow stands out against the lunar regolith.  Thus, what we see at the place labelled &#8220;LRV&#8221; would actually be the LRV&#8217;s shadow.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viggen (57) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . knowing the height of the astronaut in his suit and the frame rate of the camera, one can probably backtrack to the predicted gravitational acceleration of the moon by using the astronaut as a ruler for his own jump and the camera rate to time his fall. Can’t remember if Mythbusters tried to do that, but it seems like a trick they would use. Silly hoaxters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, that won&#039;t work, because the film was slowed down to mimic one-sixth Earth gravity.  If you speed up the videos, the astronauts&#039; movements look perfectly normal for having been filmed on Earth.

Oh, wait, no they don&#039;t.  My statement above is just more HB nonsense, but your argument won&#039;t persuade a dyed-in-the-wool HB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viggen (57) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>. . . knowing the height of the astronaut in his suit and the frame rate of the camera, one can probably backtrack to the predicted gravitational acceleration of the moon by using the astronaut as a ruler for his own jump and the camera rate to time his fall. Can’t remember if Mythbusters tried to do that, but it seems like a trick they would use. Silly hoaxters.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, that won&#8217;t work, because the film was slowed down to mimic one-sixth Earth gravity.  If you speed up the videos, the astronauts&#8217; movements look perfectly normal for having been filmed on Earth.</p>
<p>Oh, wait, no they don&#8217;t.  My statement above is just more HB nonsense, but your argument won&#8217;t persuade a dyed-in-the-wool HB.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If NASA was willing to fake the moonlanding, wouldn&#039;t we have landed on Mars by now?
(XKCD)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If NASA was willing to fake the moonlanding, wouldn&#8217;t we have landed on Mars by now?<br />
(XKCD)</p>
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		<title>By: Maxx</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/07/31/and-the-flags-are-still-there/#comment-337569</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Nigel Depledge (65)

I&#039;m not a polymers expert, only I&#039;m only lucky at finding the right internet link :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nigel Depledge (65)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a polymers expert, only I&#8217;m only lucky at finding the right internet link <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/07/31/and-the-flags-are-still-there/#comment-337568</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff (46) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Something I don’t understand about the picture. On the inset it shows the shadow on the left and the flag on the right, but in the main picture, it looks like the illumination is from the left. Shouldn’t the shadow be on the right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Er, no.

Several features in the main picture indicate that illumination is from the right of shot.  Look at the LM descent stage - the bright parts are all on the right, and the bulk of the shadow is to the left.  Look at the craters - all of them have shadow to the right (the slope that will be in shadow when illumination is from the right) and brighter areas to the left (the slope that would be in sunlight when the sun is to the right).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff (46) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Something I don’t understand about the picture. On the inset it shows the shadow on the left and the flag on the right, but in the main picture, it looks like the illumination is from the left. Shouldn’t the shadow be on the right?</p></blockquote>
<p>Er, no.</p>
<p>Several features in the main picture indicate that illumination is from the right of shot.  Look at the LM descent stage &#8211; the bright parts are all on the right, and the bulk of the shadow is to the left.  Look at the craters &#8211; all of them have shadow to the right (the slope that will be in shadow when illumination is from the right) and brighter areas to the left (the slope that would be in sunlight when the sun is to the right).</p>
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