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	<title>Comments on: Watch as Curiosity touches down gently *and* its heat shield slams into Mars</title>
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		<title>By: Harbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/18/curiositys-heat-shield-literally-hits-the-dirt/#comment-339264</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also makes Viking  I &amp; II  even more wonderful.</description>
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		<title>By: Anchor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/18/curiositys-heat-shield-literally-hits-the-dirt/#comment-339263</link>
		<dc:creator>Anchor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The annotation of the heat shield impact video misidentifies the position of the heat shield prior to impact. If you look carefully at the sequence, you can see the heat shield and its shadow converging, especially in the last half-dozen frames. It appears as a blurry light-colored patch moving in smaller steps straight &#039;upward&#039; nearer the center of the scene, not from out of the field of view from the lower right as indicated by the arrow.

The arrow identifying the position of the heat shield is WAY off - it doesn&#039;t point to anything in particular that can be seen. Moreover, the sun angle that the implied position of the heat shield would have with respect to its shadow is inconsistent with the illumination angle apparent in the terrain, which has the sunlight streaming from upper right to lower left across the scene, not from the lower right, as implied by the false position of the heat shield pointed out by the arrow. Finally, the position indicated by the arrow implies that the sun angle CHANGES, rotating significantly during this brief sequence. The field of view in this highly-magnified section of the frames is far too narrow to show any perspective effect as seen from the descending rover.

I don&#039;t know who is responsible for the bad arrow or the image analysis, but if its Malin Space Systems, its not very often they make a blunder like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The annotation of the heat shield impact video misidentifies the position of the heat shield prior to impact. If you look carefully at the sequence, you can see the heat shield and its shadow converging, especially in the last half-dozen frames. It appears as a blurry light-colored patch moving in smaller steps straight &#8216;upward&#8217; nearer the center of the scene, not from out of the field of view from the lower right as indicated by the arrow.</p>
<p>The arrow identifying the position of the heat shield is WAY off &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t point to anything in particular that can be seen. Moreover, the sun angle that the implied position of the heat shield would have with respect to its shadow is inconsistent with the illumination angle apparent in the terrain, which has the sunlight streaming from upper right to lower left across the scene, not from the lower right, as implied by the false position of the heat shield pointed out by the arrow. Finally, the position indicated by the arrow implies that the sun angle CHANGES, rotating significantly during this brief sequence. The field of view in this highly-magnified section of the frames is far too narrow to show any perspective effect as seen from the descending rover.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who is responsible for the bad arrow or the image analysis, but if its Malin Space Systems, its not very often they make a blunder like that.</p>
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		<title>By: W Sanders</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/18/curiositys-heat-shield-literally-hits-the-dirt/#comment-339262</link>
		<dc:creator>W Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;  need to drive the rover to the heat shield

And find it missing :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;  need to drive the rover to the heat shield</p>
<p>And find it missing <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Video of Curiosity&#8217;s Landing on Mars &#124; Orangeinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Video of Curiosity&#8217;s Landing on Mars &#124; Orangeinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: George Martin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/18/curiositys-heat-shield-literally-hits-the-dirt/#comment-339260</link>
		<dc:creator>George Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kendall said:
&lt;i&gt;@George: The sky crane could have used a high-bandwdth link to the rover itself to transmit the video right after the crane was lowered. Taking an extra few seconds before flying off was probably practical given it didn’t care where it was going.&lt;/i&gt;

Start counting the bits per second needed for even a 64x64 thumbnail which were the initial MARDI images. There were more important things that they needed to know in the last few seconds than a pretty picture from above. My guess is that during the time after the Earth was below Curiosity&#039;s horizon, they were using the low gain antenna to communicate to the Mars Observer and the other two recording backups, that they not would want to waste time recording an essentially useless image.

&lt;i&gt;Alternately, the sky crane could have recorded to a specialized USB stick that it dropped the moment the rover was down – if it had a radio transponder in the in the rover could have then picked it up and read the contents for leisurely transmission back to earth.&lt;/i&gt;

Man, you are making things complicated, as if the whole landing sequence was not complicated enough.

&lt;i&gt;I know that every ounce is precious on these missions ....&lt;/i&gt;

The only reason I replied at all, is that I doubt that that was a consideration. If they ever considered  a camera on the decent stage (will we ever know?)  I suspect that the bandwidth budget was a much more important consideration than the mass budget.

George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kendall said:<br />
<i>@George: The sky crane could have used a high-bandwdth link to the rover itself to transmit the video right after the crane was lowered. Taking an extra few seconds before flying off was probably practical given it didn’t care where it was going.</i></p>
<p>Start counting the bits per second needed for even a 64&#215;64 thumbnail which were the initial MARDI images. There were more important things that they needed to know in the last few seconds than a pretty picture from above. My guess is that during the time after the Earth was below Curiosity&#8217;s horizon, they were using the low gain antenna to communicate to the Mars Observer and the other two recording backups, that they not would want to waste time recording an essentially useless image.</p>
<p><i>Alternately, the sky crane could have recorded to a specialized USB stick that it dropped the moment the rover was down – if it had a radio transponder in the in the rover could have then picked it up and read the contents for leisurely transmission back to earth.</i></p>
<p>Man, you are making things complicated, as if the whole landing sequence was not complicated enough.</p>
<p><i>I know that every ounce is precious on these missions &#8230;.</i></p>
<p>The only reason I replied at all, is that I doubt that that was a consideration. If they ever considered  a camera on the decent stage (will we ever know?)  I suspect that the bandwidth budget was a much more important consideration than the mass budget.</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/18/curiositys-heat-shield-literally-hits-the-dirt/#comment-339259</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>need to drive the rover to the heat shield</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>need to drive the rover to the heat shield</p>
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		<title>By: Kendall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/18/curiositys-heat-shield-literally-hits-the-dirt/#comment-339258</link>
		<dc:creator>Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@George:  The sky crane could have used a high-bandwdth link to the rover itself to transmit the video right after the crane was lowered.  Taking an extra few seconds before flying off was probably practical given it didn&#039;t care where it was going.

Alternately, the sky crane could have recorded to a specialized USB stick that it dropped the moment the rover was down - if it had a radio transponder in the in the rover could have then picked it up and read the contents for leisurely transmission back to earth.

I know that every ounce is precious on these missions but as part of the mission is to inspire scientists on earth, I hope future missions proceed even further along the path of taking really cool images and video as part of the mission, and not just based on scientific need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@George:  The sky crane could have used a high-bandwdth link to the rover itself to transmit the video right after the crane was lowered.  Taking an extra few seconds before flying off was probably practical given it didn&#8217;t care where it was going.</p>
<p>Alternately, the sky crane could have recorded to a specialized USB stick that it dropped the moment the rover was down &#8211; if it had a radio transponder in the in the rover could have then picked it up and read the contents for leisurely transmission back to earth.</p>
<p>I know that every ounce is precious on these missions but as part of the mission is to inspire scientists on earth, I hope future missions proceed even further along the path of taking really cool images and video as part of the mission, and not just based on scientific need.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/18/curiositys-heat-shield-literally-hits-the-dirt/#comment-339257</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely incredible. To be alive and able to see this, it&#039;s like living in the future. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely incredible. To be alive and able to see this, it&#8217;s like living in the future. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/18/curiositys-heat-shield-literally-hits-the-dirt/#comment-339256</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fractal landscape. Until the descent stage kicks up dust the big land features from high up look very similar to smaller features as it gets lower, so you can&#039;t visually judge your height. I&#039;ve noticed the same on the old Apollo descent movies.

But not a problem, we have radar.

If you look at the even older Ranger (U.S moon probes which just hit at high speed) you again can&#039;t really judge height.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fractal landscape. Until the descent stage kicks up dust the big land features from high up look very similar to smaller features as it gets lower, so you can&#8217;t visually judge your height. I&#8217;ve noticed the same on the old Apollo descent movies.</p>
<p>But not a problem, we have radar.</p>
<p>If you look at the even older Ranger (U.S moon probes which just hit at high speed) you again can&#8217;t really judge height.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Non-Bradley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/08/18/curiositys-heat-shield-literally-hits-the-dirt/#comment-339255</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Non-Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s some interesting footage made by the rover at YouTube. It&#039;s the Mars surface in motion, captured after the landing. Time-lapse?
http://youtu.be/hqonNdn83S4?hd=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some interesting footage made by the rover at YouTube. It&#8217;s the Mars surface in motion, captured after the landing. Time-lapse?<br />
<a href="http://youtu.be/hqonNdn83S4?hd=1" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/hqonNdn83S4?hd=1</a></p>
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