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		<title>By: shunt1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342218</link>
		<dc:creator>shunt1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PA28-151 Warrior Emergency Checklist

C. FORCED LANDING PROCEDURE
(no engine power -- use flaps for &quot;power&quot;)

1. Airspeed -- SET BEST GLIDE SPEED
Best glide Speed 85MPH flaps UP
Slow to 76MPH for landing flaps DOWN

2. Fuel Selector -- OFF

3. Fuel Pump -- OFF

4. Mixture -- IDLE/CUT OFF

5. Ignition Switch -- OFF

6. Flaps -- AS REQUIRED for approach and landing

7. Communications - Transmit MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY on frequency in use or emergency frequeny 121.5; SQUAWK 7700

8. Master Switch -- OFF

9.  Door -- UNLOCKED/ UNLATCHED

10. FLY the airplane; do not stall the airplane

11. Touchdown -- SLIGHTLY TAIL LOW (near stall speed)

....

PLEASE pay attention to item 9 above, which specified that the door must be UNLOCKED / UNLATCHED.

I knew exactly what I was doing and fully understood why that door had to be opened prior to a potential crash.

For those that have never flown a PA28-151 or other Piper airplanes, once the door is unlatched, it will pop open and can be very difficult to close once again.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PA28-151 Warrior Emergency Checklist</p>
<p>C. FORCED LANDING PROCEDURE<br />
(no engine power &#8212; use flaps for &#8220;power&#8221;)</p>
<p>1. Airspeed &#8212; SET BEST GLIDE SPEED<br />
Best glide Speed 85MPH flaps UP<br />
Slow to 76MPH for landing flaps DOWN</p>
<p>2. Fuel Selector &#8212; OFF</p>
<p>3. Fuel Pump &#8212; OFF</p>
<p>4. Mixture &#8212; IDLE/CUT OFF</p>
<p>5. Ignition Switch &#8212; OFF</p>
<p>6. Flaps &#8212; AS REQUIRED for approach and landing</p>
<p>7. Communications &#8211; Transmit MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY on frequency in use or emergency frequeny 121.5; SQUAWK 7700</p>
<p>8. Master Switch &#8212; OFF</p>
<p>9.  Door &#8212; UNLOCKED/ UNLATCHED</p>
<p>10. FLY the airplane; do not stall the airplane</p>
<p>11. Touchdown &#8212; SLIGHTLY TAIL LOW (near stall speed)</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>PLEASE pay attention to item 9 above, which specified that the door must be UNLOCKED / UNLATCHED.</p>
<p>I knew exactly what I was doing and fully understood why that door had to be opened prior to a potential crash.</p>
<p>For those that have never flown a PA28-151 or other Piper airplanes, once the door is unlatched, it will pop open and can be very difficult to close once again.</p>
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		<title>By: shunt1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342217</link>
		<dc:creator>shunt1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wzrd1  is the only person that owes me an apology for a personal attack.  And if offered, it would be accepted.

Comments from any other persons are just noise.

BTW:  I have known for several years that wzrd1 is an alias for someone that we all know on this blog and is used when he desires to keep his identity unknown.  I will honor his desire to keep that alias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wzrd1  is the only person that owes me an apology for a personal attack.  And if offered, it would be accepted.</p>
<p>Comments from any other persons are just noise.</p>
<p>BTW:  I have known for several years that wzrd1 is an alias for someone that we all know on this blog and is used when he desires to keep his identity unknown.  I will honor his desire to keep that alias.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342216</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I was attacked first and responded in a legal manner. There was a time when our Seconds would be arranging a meeting between us, for satisfaction from such an insult.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The fact that you talk about such times with anything other than disgust is very telling.

And I can&#039;t help but notice you completely ignored my comment, responding to Nigel as though it didn&#039;t even exist.  You do know people can see that I already explained our issue with your behavior, right?  Just because you refuse to pay attention to something doesn&#039;t mean everyone else does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was attacked first and responded in a legal manner. There was a time when our Seconds would be arranging a meeting between us, for satisfaction from such an insult.</p></blockquote>
<p>The fact that you talk about such times with anything other than disgust is very telling.</p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t help but notice you completely ignored my comment, responding to Nigel as though it didn&#8217;t even exist.  You do know people can see that I already explained our issue with your behavior, right?  Just because you refuse to pay attention to something doesn&#8217;t mean everyone else does.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342215</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shunt1 (159) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;“Or were you unaware of the fact that, in English, proper nouns are capitalised to distinguish them from ordinary text?”

Compare my email address (full name) and Shunt. You may be smart enough to figure it out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, obviously, your email address makes it clear that your name is Steve Hunt (duh!).  However, your failure to capitalise your commenting name strongly implies that your commenting name is not a real name at all, but a nickname or some other word or phrase that amuses you (in the same way that another frequent commenter here goes by the commenting name Messier Tidy Upper).

Thus, &lt;b&gt;until&lt;/b&gt; you published your email address in a comment, there was no reason to suspect that your commenting name related in any way to your real name.  And yet, despite &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; using your actual name as your commenting name, you claim to be proud to use your real name!  You are either deeply lacking in common sense, or a liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shunt1 (159) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Or were you unaware of the fact that, in English, proper nouns are capitalised to distinguish them from ordinary text?”</p>
<p>Compare my email address (full name) and Shunt. You may be smart enough to figure it out.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, obviously, your email address makes it clear that your name is Steve Hunt (duh!).  However, your failure to capitalise your commenting name strongly implies that your commenting name is not a real name at all, but a nickname or some other word or phrase that amuses you (in the same way that another frequent commenter here goes by the commenting name Messier Tidy Upper).</p>
<p>Thus, <b>until</b> you published your email address in a comment, there was no reason to suspect that your commenting name related in any way to your real name.  And yet, despite <i>not</i> using your actual name as your commenting name, you claim to be proud to use your real name!  You are either deeply lacking in common sense, or a liar.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342214</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shunt1 (159) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I was attacked first and responded in a legal manner.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, you were not attacked.

Your arguments were shown to be flawed, and the objections you raised irrelevant.

Another commenter speculated about suggesting the FAA investigate your fitness to hold a pilot&#039;s licence, as a direct consequence of your stated opinion about certain aspects of aviation.

IANL, but AFAICT, there is no cause for you to threaten to sue anyone.

&lt;blockquote&gt; There was a time when our Seconds would be arranging a meeting between us, for satisfaction from such an insult.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

AFAICT, the only insult in this and previous threads to you comes from your own comments, where you show yourself to be illogical and incapable of making or understanding a reasoned argument.

If you feel you have been insulted, perhaps you could cite exactly what text constitutes the insult?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shunt1 (159) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was attacked first and responded in a legal manner.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, you were not attacked.</p>
<p>Your arguments were shown to be flawed, and the objections you raised irrelevant.</p>
<p>Another commenter speculated about suggesting the FAA investigate your fitness to hold a pilot&#8217;s licence, as a direct consequence of your stated opinion about certain aspects of aviation.</p>
<p>IANL, but AFAICT, there is no cause for you to threaten to sue anyone.</p>
<blockquote><p> There was a time when our Seconds would be arranging a meeting between us, for satisfaction from such an insult.</p></blockquote>
<p>AFAICT, the only insult in this and previous threads to you comes from your own comments, where you show yourself to be illogical and incapable of making or understanding a reasoned argument.</p>
<p>If you feel you have been insulted, perhaps you could cite exactly what text constitutes the insult?</p>
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		<title>By: shunt1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342213</link>
		<dc:creator>shunt1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL

&quot;Or were you unaware of the fact that, in English, proper nouns are capitalised to distinguish them from ordinary text?&quot;

Compare my email address (full name) and Shunt.  You may be smart enough to figure it out.

For those that are unable to understand the concept of &quot;kick-out&quot; windows for emergencies, I strongly recommend that you not ride in a bus.

I was attacked first and responded in a legal manner.  There was a time when our Seconds would be arranging a meeting between us, for satisfaction from such an insult.

However, that does remind me the hysterically funny &quot;equilateral triangle dual&quot; from the book &quot;Peter Simple&quot; by Frederick Marryat.

Enough said on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>
<p>&#8220;Or were you unaware of the fact that, in English, proper nouns are capitalised to distinguish them from ordinary text?&#8221;</p>
<p>Compare my email address (full name) and Shunt.  You may be smart enough to figure it out.</p>
<p>For those that are unable to understand the concept of &#8220;kick-out&#8221; windows for emergencies, I strongly recommend that you not ride in a bus.</p>
<p>I was attacked first and responded in a legal manner.  There was a time when our Seconds would be arranging a meeting between us, for satisfaction from such an insult.</p>
<p>However, that does remind me the hysterically funny &#8220;equilateral triangle dual&#8221; from the book &#8220;Peter Simple&#8221; by Frederick Marryat.</p>
<p>Enough said on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342212</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 14:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shunt1 (81) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I am always proud to say who I am!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Says the guy who uses an online handle that implies a worker in a goods yard, but not an actual name.

Or were you unaware of the fact that, in English, proper nouns are capitalised to distinguish them from ordinary text?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shunt1 (81) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am always proud to say who I am!</p></blockquote>
<p>Says the guy who uses an online handle that implies a worker in a goods yard, but not an actual name.</p>
<p>Or were you unaware of the fact that, in English, proper nouns are capitalised to distinguish them from ordinary text?</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342211</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 12:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig (122) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . straining to prove Romney is a dope&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Believe me, it takes no strain.  The man hands out these opportunities on a silver salver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig (122) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>. . . straining to prove Romney is a dope</p></blockquote>
<p>Believe me, it takes no strain.  The man hands out these opportunities on a silver salver.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342210</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 12:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shunt1 (10) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;“When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no – and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because &lt;b&gt;the windows don’t open. I don’t know why&lt;/b&gt; they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

[Emphasis mine]

Shunt1, are you really as stupid as your comments make you out to be?

According to the words you quote, this guy doesn&#039;t know why the windows of an aeroplane don&#039;t open.  Never mind the one over each wing that &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; open to serve as emergency exits.

It would quite obviously be stupidly dangerous for the windows to be openable the way (for instance) the windows of a train may be opened and closed.  Partly because of the risk of failure of the closure or seal during flight, but mostly because idiots like Romney would quite likely try to open one during flight.  It shouldn&#039;t be hard for even you to find out what the consequences might be if this were to occur at (say) 30,000 feet.

So, what *&lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt;* is your beef?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shunt1 (10) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>“When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no – and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because <b>the windows don’t open. I don’t know why</b> they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous.”</p></blockquote>
<p>[Emphasis mine]</p>
<p>Shunt1, are you really as stupid as your comments make you out to be?</p>
<p>According to the words you quote, this guy doesn&#8217;t know why the windows of an aeroplane don&#8217;t open.  Never mind the one over each wing that <i>does</i> open to serve as emergency exits.</p>
<p>It would quite obviously be stupidly dangerous for the windows to be openable the way (for instance) the windows of a train may be opened and closed.  Partly because of the risk of failure of the closure or seal during flight, but mostly because idiots like Romney would quite likely try to open one during flight.  It shouldn&#8217;t be hard for even you to find out what the consequences might be if this were to occur at (say) 30,000 feet.</p>
<p>So, what *<i>exactly</i>* is your beef?</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/09/24/space-shuffle/#comment-342209</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 09:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shunt1 (2) trolled:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I keep looking, but where did he mention windows on a NASA spacecraft?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where does Phil mention windows on NASA spacecraft?

Or do you not get that if Romney doesn&#039;t even understand why airplane windows are kept closed, he is no more qualified to make decisions about the future of NASA than a bumblebee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shunt1 (2) trolled:</p>
<blockquote><p>I keep looking, but where did he mention windows on a NASA spacecraft?</p></blockquote>
<p>Where does Phil mention windows on NASA spacecraft?</p>
<p>Or do you not get that if Romney doesn&#8217;t even understand why airplane windows are kept closed, he is no more qualified to make decisions about the future of NASA than a bumblebee?</p>
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