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		<title>By: SpaceX Falcon 9 lost an engine on the way up; Dragon on its way to ISS - BlogDogIt</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpaceX Falcon 9 lost an engine on the way up; Dragon on its way to ISS - BlogDogIt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] night (Sunday October 7), SpaceX launched a Falcon 9 rocket with a Dragon capsule full of supplies on a mission to the International Space Station. The Dragon [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tsiolkovskenate.&quot;  Hehe, I love it :)

Also, woohoo! Go SpaceX!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tsiolkovskenate.&#8221;  Hehe, I love it <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, woohoo! Go SpaceX!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mad Scientist @ #11 said: &quot;I look a the photo and marvel how such a long tube can be supported at only 2 points at the ends. I wonder how much the structure flexes?&quot;

Keep in mind that it&#039;s empty in that picture. According to Wikipedia, the launch weight of the Falcon 9 is about 330-340 tons. As with these rockets, fuel represents about 90% of the rocket&#039;s launch weight, it suggests the dry rocket weighs perhaps 30-40 tons.

I&#039;m also reminded of a picture of a Soviet rocket from the 1960s being hoisted horizontally by cranes at each end, and with a man standing on the middle of the rocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mad Scientist @ #11 said: &#8220;I look a the photo and marvel how such a long tube can be supported at only 2 points at the ends. I wonder how much the structure flexes?&#8221;</p>
<p>Keep in mind that it&#8217;s empty in that picture. According to Wikipedia, the launch weight of the Falcon 9 is about 330-340 tons. As with these rockets, fuel represents about 90% of the rocket&#8217;s launch weight, it suggests the dry rocket weighs perhaps 30-40 tons.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also reminded of a picture of a Soviet rocket from the 1960s being hoisted horizontally by cranes at each end, and with a man standing on the middle of the rocket.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The press this morning is confirming that one of the engines failed during ascent, but that the remaining 8 compensated and the first stage continued to operate normally.  From Bay News 9 out of Tampa:

Officials declared the launch a success, despite an engine blow out. About a minute and a half into launch, one of Falcon 9’s nine engines suffered some sort failure. However, the remaining rockets were not damaged and were able to recover for the loss of thrust. SpaceX’s president, Gwynne Shatwell, said that’s exactly what the rocket was supposed to do.

...and the on-board computers handled it all without intervention from the ground.  Very nice! I&#039;ll be interested to see if any COTS skeptics attempt to make any hay out of this minor glitch, as they were very inclined to do during Falcon&#039;s teething period.

I also noticed during the countdown there was a mention of orbital debris that the ISS fortunately did not have to dodge, thus avoiding any re-computation of Dragon&#039;s flight path.  It was a reminder that the debris problem is serious, but I&#039;m afraid it won&#039;t get fixed until it gets a good deal worse. There haven&#039;t been any major events since the Iridium/Kosmos collision since 2009, so naturally people think that the problem&#039;s gone away (if they&#039;re paying any attention to the issue at all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The press this morning is confirming that one of the engines failed during ascent, but that the remaining 8 compensated and the first stage continued to operate normally.  From Bay News 9 out of Tampa:</p>
<p>Officials declared the launch a success, despite an engine blow out. About a minute and a half into launch, one of Falcon 9’s nine engines suffered some sort failure. However, the remaining rockets were not damaged and were able to recover for the loss of thrust. SpaceX’s president, Gwynne Shatwell, said that’s exactly what the rocket was supposed to do.</p>
<p>&#8230;and the on-board computers handled it all without intervention from the ground.  Very nice! I&#8217;ll be interested to see if any COTS skeptics attempt to make any hay out of this minor glitch, as they were very inclined to do during Falcon&#8217;s teething period.</p>
<p>I also noticed during the countdown there was a mention of orbital debris that the ISS fortunately did not have to dodge, thus avoiding any re-computation of Dragon&#8217;s flight path.  It was a reminder that the debris problem is serious, but I&#8217;m afraid it won&#8217;t get fixed until it gets a good deal worse. There haven&#8217;t been any major events since the Iridium/Kosmos collision since 2009, so naturally people think that the problem&#8217;s gone away (if they&#8217;re paying any attention to the issue at all).</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apollo 6 lost two second stage engines, and the third stage engine would not restart after reaching orbit. Apollo 13 lost one second stage engine.
At least two Saturn 1 (or 1b?) lost a first stage engine, though one of those was a deliberate test of engine out capability.

Looks to me like the combustion chamber completely let go, but it&#039;s hard to tell. Impressive as has been said that it otherwise held together. SpaceX have mentioned at some stage that each engine has &#039;armor&#039; around it to prevent such an event wrecking the rest..

I wonder if this will have any impact on the development of the Merlin 1D. Hopefully they will have sufficient telemetry or other information to know what happened and why.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apollo 6 lost two second stage engines, and the third stage engine would not restart after reaching orbit. Apollo 13 lost one second stage engine.<br />
At least two Saturn 1 (or 1b?) lost a first stage engine, though one of those was a deliberate test of engine out capability.</p>
<p>Looks to me like the combustion chamber completely let go, but it&#8217;s hard to tell. Impressive as has been said that it otherwise held together. SpaceX have mentioned at some stage that each engine has &#8216;armor&#8217; around it to prevent such an event wrecking the rest..</p>
<p>I wonder if this will have any impact on the development of the Merlin 1D. Hopefully they will have sufficient telemetry or other information to know what happened and why.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 07:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Channel 7 national news in Australia just told us, in all seriousness, that this was the first rocket launched by a private company. 
Headdesk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Channel 7 national news in Australia just told us, in all seriousness, that this was the first rocket launched by a private company.<br />
Headdesk.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 07:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, look at that engine blow at the 5:21 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kGaKsSFS6E&amp;feature=player_detailpage#t=316s

Amazing redundancy by Space X. My hat&#039;s off to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, look at that engine blow at the 5:21 mark</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kGaKsSFS6E&#038;feature=player_detailpage#t=316s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kGaKsSFS6E&#038;feature=player_detailpage#t=316s</a></p>
<p>Amazing redundancy by Space X. My hat&#8217;s off to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 06:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reports are saying engine one was shut down (at this time unclear if it blew up before or after shutdown, as both are possible given conditions). Amazing that it managed to still reach the intended orbit even after that loss.

@Robin
I believe two Apollo missions suffered engine failure, but only one of them manned (13).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reports are saying engine one was shut down (at this time unclear if it blew up before or after shutdown, as both are possible given conditions). Amazing that it managed to still reach the intended orbit even after that loss.</p>
<p>@Robin<br />
I believe two Apollo missions suffered engine failure, but only one of them manned (13).</p>
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		<title>By: Watch the SpaceX CRS-1 Blast Off Towards the ISS Live [Space] &#124; Orange Claymore Red Slime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watch the SpaceX CRS-1 Blast Off Towards the ISS Live [Space] &#124; Orange Claymore Red Slime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 05:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Ustream hitches up on you, you can also watch the launch at NASA&#8217;s main site. [Discover, [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 03:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome, SpaceX!

@ellindsey (#18):  

At least one Apollo launch lost an engine on ascent.  Having so many engines provides a nice margin of error for an engine out scenario.  It certainly did look like the Falcon 9 lost an engine nozzle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome, SpaceX!</p>
<p>@ellindsey (#18):  </p>
<p>At least one Apollo launch lost an engine on ascent.  Having so many engines provides a nice margin of error for an engine out scenario.  It certainly did look like the Falcon 9 lost an engine nozzle.</p>
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