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		<title>By: 5uper5torm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/10/26/saturn-storm-cranks-the-heat-way-up/#comment-344550</link>
		<dc:creator>5uper5torm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could the storm on Titan&#039;s south pole have caused this storm? Or is it the other way around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could the storm on Titan&#8217;s south pole have caused this storm? Or is it the other way around?</p>
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		<title>By: Vórtice maior que a Terra é avistado em Saturno - Noticias em tempo real</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/10/26/saturn-storm-cranks-the-heat-way-up/#comment-344549</link>
		<dc:creator>Vórtice maior que a Terra é avistado em Saturno - Noticias em tempo real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cientistas também se intrigaram com uma enorme liberação de gás etileno do vórtice. No momento da tempestade, o nível de etileno aumentou 100 vezes do que se pensava que era possível em Saturno. A origem do gás ainda é um mistério. [Discover Magazine/LiveScience] [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cientistas também se intrigaram com uma enorme liberação de gás etileno do vórtice. No momento da tempestade, o nível de etileno aumentou 100 vezes do que se pensava que era possível em Saturno. A origem do gás ainda é um mistério. [Discover Magazine/LiveScience] [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/10/26/saturn-storm-cranks-the-heat-way-up/#comment-344548</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus Ranum (37) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;“Metallic liquid hydrogen” sounds like “jumbo shrimp” to me. Isn’t it either metallic hydrogen, or liquid hydrogen?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, this perspective might help : does iron stop being metallic when it melts?

Based on its position in the periodic table, hydrogen should be a metal.  It turns out that it requires immense pressure to force hydrogen to adopt a metallic state.  I do not know if metallic hydrogen has ever been prepared on Earth to prove its existence and probe its properties.  From a theoretical point of view, metallic liquid hydrogen is the best explanation of Jupiter&#039;s intense magnetic field, so it seems plausible that it exists.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Is there a 2-state solution at extreme pressures? (and I’d say that metallic hydrogen is a pretty darned cool “core” if you’ve got one!) I always thought you only got metallic hydrogen when it was extremely cold but now I understand it; it’s all gravity and that makes it heat up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t forget the &quot;pressure&quot; axis on a phase diagram.  Liquid CO2, to cite a different example, only exists at hight pressure (at a measly 1 bar, it sublimes straight from solid to gas).  And if the pressure is reduced sufficiently, water does the same thing (more or less).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus Ranum (37) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Metallic liquid hydrogen” sounds like “jumbo shrimp” to me. Isn’t it either metallic hydrogen, or liquid hydrogen?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, this perspective might help : does iron stop being metallic when it melts?</p>
<p>Based on its position in the periodic table, hydrogen should be a metal.  It turns out that it requires immense pressure to force hydrogen to adopt a metallic state.  I do not know if metallic hydrogen has ever been prepared on Earth to prove its existence and probe its properties.  From a theoretical point of view, metallic liquid hydrogen is the best explanation of Jupiter&#8217;s intense magnetic field, so it seems plausible that it exists.</p>
<blockquote><p> Is there a 2-state solution at extreme pressures? (and I’d say that metallic hydrogen is a pretty darned cool “core” if you’ve got one!) I always thought you only got metallic hydrogen when it was extremely cold but now I understand it; it’s all gravity and that makes it heat up.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget the &#8220;pressure&#8221; axis on a phase diagram.  Liquid CO2, to cite a different example, only exists at hight pressure (at a measly 1 bar, it sublimes straight from solid to gas).  And if the pressure is reduced sufficiently, water does the same thing (more or less).</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Haggath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Haggath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19 Matt:
So you don&#039;t believe that a science writer should be allowed to have a sense of humour??? Perhaps you should try growing one yourself.
You won&#039;t find a definition of &quot;encronosenate&quot;, because Phil made it up! This is part of a long-running joke on his part, which began with him using &quot;embiggen&quot;, and has progressed to him inventing verbs which are appropriate to the subject matter, e.g. &quot;enjovianate&quot; for an image of Jupiter, &quot;engalactinate&quot; for an image of a galaxy, etc. In this case, as has already been explained, &quot;Cronos&quot; is the Greek name for Saturn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19 Matt:<br />
So you don&#8217;t believe that a science writer should be allowed to have a sense of humour??? Perhaps you should try growing one yourself.<br />
You won&#8217;t find a definition of &#8220;encronosenate&#8221;, because Phil made it up! This is part of a long-running joke on his part, which began with him using &#8220;embiggen&#8221;, and has progressed to him inventing verbs which are appropriate to the subject matter, e.g. &#8220;enjovianate&#8221; for an image of Jupiter, &#8220;engalactinate&#8221; for an image of a galaxy, etc. In this case, as has already been explained, &#8220;Cronos&#8221; is the Greek name for Saturn.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Ranum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Ranum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Erm . . . what surface?

I guess that was a dumb thought I had. When I hear that Saturn/Jupiter have a &quot;core&quot; all my mental imagery of earth-like planets kicks in.  Per #33, I didn&#039;t realize that the, um, middle stuff was so hot! But that makes sense. I am now vainly struggling to imagine a humongous lava lamp that&#039;s really hot. Or something.

&quot;Metallic liquid hydrogen&quot; sounds like &quot;jumbo shrimp&quot; to me. Isn&#039;t it either metallic hydrogen, or liquid hydrogen? Is there a 2-state solution at extreme pressures? (and I&#039;d say that metallic hydrogen is a pretty darned cool &quot;core&quot; if you&#039;ve got one!)  I always thought you only got metallic hydrogen when it was extremely cold but now I understand it; it&#039;s all gravity and that makes it heat up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Erm . . . what surface?</p>
<p>I guess that was a dumb thought I had. When I hear that Saturn/Jupiter have a &#8220;core&#8221; all my mental imagery of earth-like planets kicks in.  Per #33, I didn&#8217;t realize that the, um, middle stuff was so hot! But that makes sense. I am now vainly struggling to imagine a humongous lava lamp that&#8217;s really hot. Or something.</p>
<p>&#8220;Metallic liquid hydrogen&#8221; sounds like &#8220;jumbo shrimp&#8221; to me. Isn&#8217;t it either metallic hydrogen, or liquid hydrogen? Is there a 2-state solution at extreme pressures? (and I&#8217;d say that metallic hydrogen is a pretty darned cool &#8220;core&#8221; if you&#8217;ve got one!)  I always thought you only got metallic hydrogen when it was extremely cold but now I understand it; it&#8217;s all gravity and that makes it heat up.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/10/26/saturn-storm-cranks-the-heat-way-up/#comment-344545</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus Ranum (28) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Could it be something like a volcano on the surface, with the storm being a side-effect of heat being dumped into the atmosphere?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Erm . . . what surface?

AFAICT, our best understanding of the interior of gas giants is that, as pressure becomes higher and higher with increasing depth, so the gas gets denser and denser with until the concept of a liquid-gas phase boundary becomes meaningless.  IIUC, both Saturn and Jupiter are believed to possess a &quot;rocky&quot; core that may or may not be overlain by a layer of metallic liquid hydrogen.  A thick layer (several thousand km thick) of such a fluid would explain Jupiter&#039;s immense magnetic field, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus Ranum (28) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Could it be something like a volcano on the surface, with the storm being a side-effect of heat being dumped into the atmosphere?</p></blockquote>
<p>Erm . . . what surface?</p>
<p>AFAICT, our best understanding of the interior of gas giants is that, as pressure becomes higher and higher with increasing depth, so the gas gets denser and denser with until the concept of a liquid-gas phase boundary becomes meaningless.  IIUC, both Saturn and Jupiter are believed to possess a &#8220;rocky&#8221; core that may or may not be overlain by a layer of metallic liquid hydrogen.  A thick layer (several thousand km thick) of such a fluid would explain Jupiter&#8217;s immense magnetic field, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/10/26/saturn-storm-cranks-the-heat-way-up/#comment-344544</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rik Warren (17) said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I can’t find a definition but I assume it means; to aggregate (senate) over time (cronos). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Much simpler than that.

Kronos (Cronos) was the Greek equivalent of the god Saturn.  &quot;Cronosenate&quot; is to make Saturn-like.  The BA practices neologisms all the time for photos posted in his blog, and it&#039;s always more interesting than &quot;click to go see the full-size version of this pic&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rik Warren (17) said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I can’t find a definition but I assume it means; to aggregate (senate) over time (cronos). </p></blockquote>
<p>Much simpler than that.</p>
<p>Kronos (Cronos) was the Greek equivalent of the god Saturn.  &#8220;Cronosenate&#8221; is to make Saturn-like.  The BA practices neologisms all the time for photos posted in his blog, and it&#8217;s always more interesting than &#8220;click to go see the full-size version of this pic&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/embiggen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wiktionary&lt;/a&gt;, someone actually used the word &quot;embiggen&quot; in 1884. It&#039;s been cromulent for quite a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/embiggen" rel="nofollow">Wiktionary</a>, someone actually used the word &#8220;embiggen&#8221; in 1884. It&#8217;s been cromulent for quite a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Wzrd1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/10/26/saturn-storm-cranks-the-heat-way-up/#comment-344542</link>
		<dc:creator>Wzrd1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those asking about the heat source, it&#039;s compression of the gas atmosphere of Saturn by gravity. The core is estimated to be at 10700 C. Saturn radiates 2.5 times more energy than is received from the sun. Like all things in astronomy, gravity makes things happen.  
Hence, my question earlier if it was thought to be similar to a mantle plume, where a section of the lower atmosphere becomes substantially hotter than normal and rises to cause the storm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those asking about the heat source, it&#8217;s compression of the gas atmosphere of Saturn by gravity. The core is estimated to be at 10700 C. Saturn radiates 2.5 times more energy than is received from the sun. Like all things in astronomy, gravity makes things happen.<br />
Hence, my question earlier if it was thought to be similar to a mantle plume, where a section of the lower atmosphere becomes substantially hotter than normal and rises to cause the storm.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have just seconded Keith&#039;s comment and saved myself some time :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have just seconded Keith&#8217;s comment and saved myself some time <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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