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	<title>Comments on: Biologist EO Wilson Says Soccer Moms Are Natural History&#8217;s Enemy</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/</link>
	<description>Thomas Kostigen files dispatches from the most environmentally tenuous and significant places on Earth, chronicling the effect we have on the planet—and its effect on us.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sparkling Medusa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparkling Medusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Wilson may have chosen words that have offended some, his point is a good one.  Let kids eat dirt.  Let them play.  Let them be kids.  There will be plenty of time to worry about death camps later.  It's all over the news anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Wilson may have chosen words that have offended some, his point is a good one.  Let kids eat dirt.  Let them play.  Let them be kids.  There will be plenty of time to worry about death camps later.  It&#8217;s all over the news anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilgore Trout</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilgore Trout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-44</guid>
		<description>I think the soccer moms dont care about their kids at all. They just go there to gossip and then go shopping for stupid little dogs to parade around. You know those little hybid dogs that never stop yapping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the soccer moms dont care about their kids at all. They just go there to gossip and then go shopping for stupid little dogs to parade around. You know those little hybid dogs that never stop yapping.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-36</guid>
		<description>""While I agree with the sentiments, I think that it is very difficult to do in practice. You take kids somewhere like a nature trip or camping and all they do is whine about lack of tv or nintendo - that’s if they don’t happen to have their cell phones, game boys etc with them. Nature and entertaining oneself with a stick are harder for kids raised on video games, internet, and video.""

It's something that parents have to teach their kids, just like anything else. If your kid is so spoiled that they whine and complain that they don't have a cell phone, then something is wrong with the way that they were raised. Maybe you shouldn't have taught them that cell phones and video games were more important than experiencing life.


"""At least soccer moms are getting their kids involved in “real” activities as opposed to artificial ones."""

Running around, kicking a pleather ball on the pesticide-sprayed, chemically fertilized, mowed remains of what used to be a forest ... doesn't sound too "real" or healthy to me

I think Wilson is hinting in the right direction ... but yuppie soccer moms are a very small piece of the problem ... there are many more things that need to be done besides taking your kids to the beach with a pail ... like maybe teaching them about how to grow a garden after talking about the pesticides in their food, or maybe telling them that their cell phone was made in a sweatshop overseas, or telling them about the torture camps and death squads that are funded by your tax dollars ... not wrong, just not telling the whole story.

--J. Taylor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;While I agree with the sentiments, I think that it is very difficult to do in practice. You take kids somewhere like a nature trip or camping and all they do is whine about lack of tv or nintendo - that’s if they don’t happen to have their cell phones, game boys etc with them. Nature and entertaining oneself with a stick are harder for kids raised on video games, internet, and video.&#8221;"</p>
<p>It&#8217;s something that parents have to teach their kids, just like anything else. If your kid is so spoiled that they whine and complain that they don&#8217;t have a cell phone, then something is wrong with the way that they were raised. Maybe you shouldn&#8217;t have taught them that cell phones and video games were more important than experiencing life.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"At least soccer moms are getting their kids involved in “real” activities as opposed to artificial ones.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Running around, kicking a pleather ball on the pesticide-sprayed, chemically fertilized, mowed remains of what used to be a forest &#8230; doesn&#8217;t sound too &#8220;real&#8221; or healthy to me</p>
<p>I think Wilson is hinting in the right direction &#8230; but yuppie soccer moms are a very small piece of the problem &#8230; there are many more things that need to be done besides taking your kids to the beach with a pail &#8230; like maybe teaching them about how to grow a garden after talking about the pesticides in their food, or maybe telling them that their cell phone was made in a sweatshop overseas, or telling them about the torture camps and death squads that are funded by your tax dollars &#8230; not wrong, just not telling the whole story.</p>
<p>&#8211;J. Taylor</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-35</guid>
		<description>Then I won't be taking my kids to any libraries, what with all the books being marked and labeled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I won&#8217;t be taking my kids to any libraries, what with all the books being marked and labeled.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-34</guid>
		<description>Interesting how many people think that their having been "put off" is substantially germane to the issue. [Could this too be part of the Soccer Mom Syndrome!!!!!!]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how many people think that their having been &#8220;put off&#8221; is substantially germane to the issue. [Could this too be part of the Soccer Mom Syndrome!!!!!!]</p>
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		<title>By: Darby</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Darby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-33</guid>
		<description>The "soccer mom" generalization is a bit unfair, but his main point is correct.  There is huge value in sending the kids outside and just letting them play.  I think most moms you talk to DO recognize this.   I suppose he would need to define "soccer mom" better.  If he's just talking about moms who drive mini-vans and have kids that play soccer or other sports, he's not acknowledging  the diversity within that group... and there are huge differences.

A "soccer mom" would mean the kid is of the age to at least join a soccer team, usually a bit older than your average bucket and shovel weilding toddler/preschooler. And who's to say that the mom whose kid is on the soccer team is not also taking them to the sea shore, the mountains, or a non-labeled garden, in her mini-van?  :)  Maybe it's the Non-soccer-moms who have kids that spend more time watching TV and playing video games that he should be criticising.  

I think the overall point is good; get your kids outside, let them explore and learn.  The soccer mom reference is inflammatory without being useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;soccer mom&#8221; generalization is a bit unfair, but his main point is correct.  There is huge value in sending the kids outside and just letting them play.  I think most moms you talk to DO recognize this.   I suppose he would need to define &#8220;soccer mom&#8221; better.  If he&#8217;s just talking about moms who drive mini-vans and have kids that play soccer or other sports, he&#8217;s not acknowledging  the diversity within that group&#8230; and there are huge differences.</p>
<p>A &#8220;soccer mom&#8221; would mean the kid is of the age to at least join a soccer team, usually a bit older than your average bucket and shovel weilding toddler/preschooler. And who&#8217;s to say that the mom whose kid is on the soccer team is not also taking them to the sea shore, the mountains, or a non-labeled garden, in her mini-van?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Maybe it&#8217;s the Non-soccer-moms who have kids that spend more time watching TV and playing video games that he should be criticising.  </p>
<p>I think the overall point is good; get your kids outside, let them explore and learn.  The soccer mom reference is inflammatory without being useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-32</guid>
		<description>I've been thinking along the same lines lately - the people least likely to believe in climate change never experience the climate. We, as a society, tend to be insulated from those things we view as problems: bad weather, uncomfortable conditions, etc. When I go for a walk I rarely see people using parks, or the lake, except for short stretches at a time - entertainment &#38; diversion. Camping is an exercise in how much of regular life can we bring: DSs, PSPs, TVs, iPods, RVs. Some of my best memories from childhood are good only in retrospect: freezing while camping one time because snow fell in July, wringing out sleeping bags after five inches of rain fell one night, hiking in fog. Stuff that at the time is uncomfortable and sometimes scary. 

Overly protecting children is the best way to ensure that they don't have a life and end up spoiled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking along the same lines lately - the people least likely to believe in climate change never experience the climate. We, as a society, tend to be insulated from those things we view as problems: bad weather, uncomfortable conditions, etc. When I go for a walk I rarely see people using parks, or the lake, except for short stretches at a time - entertainment &amp; diversion. Camping is an exercise in how much of regular life can we bring: DSs, PSPs, TVs, iPods, RVs. Some of my best memories from childhood are good only in retrospect: freezing while camping one time because snow fell in July, wringing out sleeping bags after five inches of rain fell one night, hiking in fog. Stuff that at the time is uncomfortable and sometimes scary. </p>
<p>Overly protecting children is the best way to ensure that they don&#8217;t have a life and end up spoiled.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim - Just a Guy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim - Just a Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-31</guid>
		<description>"Bullshit. It’s that “blame mom” syndrome for everything wrong with children."

Yes I blame mom and dad.  They are the ones to blame.  I am a parent and if my kid does not get to have the experiences that Wilson describes then it is absolutely the my fault.  Same to ever other parent.  You are responsible for raising your kids and providing them with new experiences in which they can learn and grow.  Your comment shows a closed mind and an unwillingness to accept responsibility as a parent for molding and shaping your children.  I found your comment much more inflammatory then Wislons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bullshit. It’s that “blame mom” syndrome for everything wrong with children.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes I blame mom and dad.  They are the ones to blame.  I am a parent and if my kid does not get to have the experiences that Wilson describes then it is absolutely the my fault.  Same to ever other parent.  You are responsible for raising your kids and providing them with new experiences in which they can learn and grow.  Your comment shows a closed mind and an unwillingness to accept responsibility as a parent for molding and shaping your children.  I found your comment much more inflammatory then Wislons.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Goodwin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Goodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-30</guid>
		<description>I wonder how many of those who are so quick to defend the good professor's remarks actually have kids?  I'm a father of two, and while I understand the "soccer mom" comment, I can also certainly understand why real moms would be offended by it.

I could be wrong, but I get a sense that those who are so quick to defend EO Wilson have never actually raised children, and so they agree with him in more of a theoretical than practical sense.  When you have kids of your own, lets see how easy it will be for you to ignore "stranger danger".  I'm not defending paranoia, but I also know that as a parent, my own kids were allowed to roam unattended (but I will admit their "free-range" wasn't as far from our home as mine was when I was a kid).

I will also admit that, as a parent, I've let my kids get far too involved in television, video games and the Internet.  But both of my kids were also very active in Scouts (my daughter earned her Silver as a Girl Scout, and my son is currently a Life Scout). Both learned an appreciation of the outdoors by camping in it and experiencing it first-hand, not via some "catalog" developed by a professor on the Internet.

If you want your kids to appreciate nature, its better to do it locally by camping in your back yard, or with the Scouts, than it is to sign an online pledge as part of some classroom exercise to save the Amazon rain-forest.

As I see it, part of the problem with kids today (and some learned professors) is that there is far too much "appreciation-at-a-safe-distance" (and usually on a global scale) when it comes to nature, and far too little actually going out and experiencing it on a local scale (like the neighborhood park or stream).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many of those who are so quick to defend the good professor&#8217;s remarks actually have kids?  I&#8217;m a father of two, and while I understand the &#8220;soccer mom&#8221; comment, I can also certainly understand why real moms would be offended by it.</p>
<p>I could be wrong, but I get a sense that those who are so quick to defend EO Wilson have never actually raised children, and so they agree with him in more of a theoretical than practical sense.  When you have kids of your own, lets see how easy it will be for you to ignore &#8220;stranger danger&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not defending paranoia, but I also know that as a parent, my own kids were allowed to roam unattended (but I will admit their &#8220;free-range&#8221; wasn&#8217;t as far from our home as mine was when I was a kid).</p>
<p>I will also admit that, as a parent, I&#8217;ve let my kids get far too involved in television, video games and the Internet.  But both of my kids were also very active in Scouts (my daughter earned her Silver as a Girl Scout, and my son is currently a Life Scout). Both learned an appreciation of the outdoors by camping in it and experiencing it first-hand, not via some &#8220;catalog&#8221; developed by a professor on the Internet.</p>
<p>If you want your kids to appreciate nature, its better to do it locally by camping in your back yard, or with the Scouts, than it is to sign an online pledge as part of some classroom exercise to save the Amazon rain-forest.</p>
<p>As I see it, part of the problem with kids today (and some learned professors) is that there is far too much &#8220;appreciation-at-a-safe-distance&#8221; (and usually on a global scale) when it comes to nature, and far too little actually going out and experiencing it on a local scale (like the neighborhood park or stream).</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/betterplanet/2008/03/27/biologist-eo-wilson-says-soccer-moms-are-natural-historys-enemy/#comment-28</guid>
		<description>don't forget all the superbugs they're creating by using hand-sanitizing lotion every 10 minutes  and buying into anti- microbial furniture, toys, clothes, flooring, etc (buut they're so kuh-yeeeeeewt!!) as if keeping kids away from EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE MICROBE THAT CAN MAKE THEM SNIFFLE was the bestest idea in the whole wide world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t forget all the superbugs they&#8217;re creating by using hand-sanitizing lotion every 10 minutes  and buying into anti- microbial furniture, toys, clothes, flooring, etc (buut they&#8217;re so kuh-yeeeeeewt!!) as if keeping kids away from EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE MICROBE THAT CAN MAKE THEM SNIFFLE was the bestest idea in the whole wide world!</p>
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