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		<title>Comment on Is Portland Anti-Science? by kdk33</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/05/22/is-portland-anti-science/#comment-53473</link>
		<dc:creator>kdk33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals drink water in bottles from &quot;pure natural springs with minerals &amp; stuff&quot;.  Homeless people can&#039;t afford bottled water.  Toothless homeless people are less dangerous than than the biting kind.  Portland likes their homeless people harmless.


It all makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals drink water in bottles from &#8220;pure natural springs with minerals &amp; stuff&#8221;.  Homeless people can&#8217;t afford bottled water.  Toothless homeless people are less dangerous than than the biting kind.  Portland likes their homeless people harmless.</p>
<p>It all makes sense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Portland Anti-Science? by kdk33</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/05/22/is-portland-anti-science/#comment-53472</link>
		<dc:creator>kdk33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you serious?

Can you do math?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serious?</p>
<p>Can you do math?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Portland Anti-Science? by jh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/05/22/is-portland-anti-science/#comment-53470</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 11:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, man.  I just took my first-ever tour of &lt;i&gt;Grist&lt;/i&gt;.  What a hoot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, man.  I just took my first-ever tour of <i>Grist</i>.  What a hoot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Portland Anti-Science? by jh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 11:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact that many of these folks believe they are mentally superior beings simply because they don&#039;t subscribe to religious faith makes them that much more irritating. &quot;


Ooo!  Don&#039;t leave Seattle out just because they have fluorine in their water! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact that many of these folks believe they are mentally superior beings simply because they don&#8217;t subscribe to religious faith makes them that much more irritating. &#8221;</p>
<p>Ooo!  Don&#8217;t leave Seattle out just because they have fluorine in their water! </p>
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		<title>Comment on The Forces that Narrow the Climate Debate by jh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/05/21/the-forces-that-narrow-the-climate-debate/#comment-53468</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kdk33, 


Good considerations, but I still think it&#039;s misleading.


ONE: I hadn&#039;t considered that possibility, but here&#039;s why I don&#039;t think it&#039;s right.  I think Smith is comparing between burned / not burned.  If he is comparing between burned w/ Keystone / burned without Keystone, then the impact of Keystone should be &lt;i&gt;negative&lt;/i&gt; since a pipeline is a more HC-efficient form of transport than rail or truck.



TWO: OK, perhaps 40K jobs is precision jargon.  But the piece is aimed at a general audience so jargon should be clarified and put into the context of every-day language.  Not doing that is misleading.  OK, politicians do it all the time.  But that doesn&#039;t make it right or useful or honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kdk33, </p>
<p>Good considerations, but I still think it&#8217;s misleading.</p>
<p>ONE: I hadn&#8217;t considered that possibility, but here&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s right.  I think Smith is comparing between burned / not burned.  If he is comparing between burned w/ Keystone / burned without Keystone, then the impact of Keystone should be <i>negative</i> since a pipeline is a more HC-efficient form of transport than rail or truck.</p>
<p>TWO: OK, perhaps 40K jobs is precision jargon.  But the piece is aimed at a general audience so jargon should be clarified and put into the context of every-day language.  Not doing that is misleading.  OK, politicians do it all the time.  But that doesn&#8217;t make it right or useful or honest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Portland Anti-Science? by Rabah Rahil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabah Rahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 00:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep seeing &quot;studies show&quot; what studies? Can I see some empirical evidence to support this claim? If it is such a no brainer, and people are &quot;anti-science&quot; if you believe ingesting fluoride is bad or at the very least has no effect on their dental health, then where are the &quot;scientific&quot; studies that show this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep seeing &#8220;studies show&#8221; what studies? Can I see some empirical evidence to support this claim? If it is such a no brainer, and people are &#8220;anti-science&#8221; if you believe ingesting fluoride is bad or at the very least has no effect on their dental health, then where are the &#8220;scientific&#8221; studies that show this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Portland Anti-Science? by jh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/05/22/is-portland-anti-science/#comment-53466</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the the concentration of an impurity change depending on how much water you drink?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the the concentration of an impurity change depending on how much water you drink?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Portland Anti-Science? by kdk33</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/05/22/is-portland-anti-science/#comment-53465</link>
		<dc:creator>kdk33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do babies and adults drink the same amount of water in Portland?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do babies and adults drink the same amount of water in Portland?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Anti-GMO Movement&#8217;s Clever Marketing Gimmick by Steve Peak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/03/17/the-anti-gmo-movements-clever-marketing-gimmick/#comment-53464</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Peak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignoring all of the data showing health issues related to GMOs (an excellent reference for which is also featured in &quot;Genetic Roulette&quot;) ... let&#039;s just consider the necessity of GMO foods. Why do we even need them? Farmers in multiple countries have burned GMO sees after they have been donated. Why is this? 

First off... there are multiple &quot;technologies&quot; being used to produce higher food yields with less water than traditional farming. GMO can&#039;t even compete with aquaponics... which can produce greater yields (with INCREASING annual yields because those systems gain strength over time) on about 10% of the water of traditional farming. Some aquaponic systems can easily (on the low end!) produce more than 5,000 TIMES the &quot;edible flesh&quot; per acre when compared to your average cow farms. I know this because I build aquaponic systems as a hobby. I can confirm much greater results than I ever found with regular gardening with very little water use. Systems like this are being set up all over the world... especially in places where there is no access to clean water. This is just one newschool method of farming being used that can clearly outdo GMOs (which can&#039;t always yield higher anyway)...

So the next question... and then my epic conclusion. Why do farmers in other countries burn GMO seeds? I mean. Monsanto CLAIMS that they can solve world hunger with GMOs, right?! You&#039;d think people who are literally starving would be all over that. Those farmers realize that GMO seeds are actually a trap (insert Admiral Ackbar voice here!). GMO seeds are built to not reproduce, and are more expensive than traditional seeds. Farmers must buy these seeds every year from Monsanto in order to continue growing them. It puts them in debt to GMO creators. The idea is to CONTROL those organisms. That&#039;s why Monsanto lobbied so hard to make it legal to patent a life form (another issue entirely). Also... if you plant GMO seeds... some of them will cross pollinate with like-species and essentially take over. Monsanto is already well known for suing farmers found to be &quot;illegally&quot; growing their GMO crops... when they had no intention of doing so in the first place.

The question, to me, is more about control. Why should some giant company create and control our food? When did we become so disconnected from all this? It&#039;s nature! We&#039;re part of it. We can&#039;t possibly expect to improve on billions of years of natural progress in a few years by literally shooting it (in a very sloppy fashion) with viral genes... and supposing we could, there&#039;s no point!

People don&#039;t want GMOs. It&#039;s practically unanimous. Farmers are burning these seeds by the ton. Study after study shows potential health threats associated with BT crops. And BT crops can&#039;t stand up against true organic farming or aquaponics to begin with. I mean, even Monsanto&#039;s &quot;round up ready&quot; crops have been shown to not work... as insects have ALREADY grown immune. It&#039;s nonsense! They&#039;re trying to sell us a solution for something that THEY (read: &quot;big-ag&quot;) made into a problem. It&#039;s the agroindustrial, monoculture method of farming that is broken. GMOs are just another failed product attempting to control the market. The pro GMO camp doesn&#039;t have a leg to stand on. If Monsanto wanted to end world hunger, they wouldn&#039;t be selling TERMINATOR seeds. Seriously. That&#039;s what they&#039;re called.

Distilled point: There are better solutions already available, and GMOs are an expensive and unwanted proprietary failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignoring all of the data showing health issues related to GMOs (an excellent reference for which is also featured in &#8220;Genetic Roulette&#8221;) &#8230; let&#8217;s just consider the necessity of GMO foods. Why do we even need them? Farmers in multiple countries have burned GMO sees after they have been donated. Why is this? </p>
<p>First off&#8230; there are multiple &#8220;technologies&#8221; being used to produce higher food yields with less water than traditional farming. GMO can&#8217;t even compete with aquaponics&#8230; which can produce greater yields (with INCREASING annual yields because those systems gain strength over time) on about 10% of the water of traditional farming. Some aquaponic systems can easily (on the low end!) produce more than 5,000 TIMES the &#8220;edible flesh&#8221; per acre when compared to your average cow farms. I know this because I build aquaponic systems as a hobby. I can confirm much greater results than I ever found with regular gardening with very little water use. Systems like this are being set up all over the world&#8230; especially in places where there is no access to clean water. This is just one newschool method of farming being used that can clearly outdo GMOs (which can&#8217;t always yield higher anyway)&#8230;</p>
<p>So the next question&#8230; and then my epic conclusion. Why do farmers in other countries burn GMO seeds? I mean. Monsanto CLAIMS that they can solve world hunger with GMOs, right?! You&#8217;d think people who are literally starving would be all over that. Those farmers realize that GMO seeds are actually a trap (insert Admiral Ackbar voice here!). GMO seeds are built to not reproduce, and are more expensive than traditional seeds. Farmers must buy these seeds every year from Monsanto in order to continue growing them. It puts them in debt to GMO creators. The idea is to CONTROL those organisms. That&#8217;s why Monsanto lobbied so hard to make it legal to patent a life form (another issue entirely). Also&#8230; if you plant GMO seeds&#8230; some of them will cross pollinate with like-species and essentially take over. Monsanto is already well known for suing farmers found to be &#8220;illegally&#8221; growing their GMO crops&#8230; when they had no intention of doing so in the first place.</p>
<p>The question, to me, is more about control. Why should some giant company create and control our food? When did we become so disconnected from all this? It&#8217;s nature! We&#8217;re part of it. We can&#8217;t possibly expect to improve on billions of years of natural progress in a few years by literally shooting it (in a very sloppy fashion) with viral genes&#8230; and supposing we could, there&#8217;s no point!</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t want GMOs. It&#8217;s practically unanimous. Farmers are burning these seeds by the ton. Study after study shows potential health threats associated with BT crops. And BT crops can&#8217;t stand up against true organic farming or aquaponics to begin with. I mean, even Monsanto&#8217;s &#8220;round up ready&#8221; crops have been shown to not work&#8230; as insects have ALREADY grown immune. It&#8217;s nonsense! They&#8217;re trying to sell us a solution for something that THEY (read: &#8220;big-ag&#8221;) made into a problem. It&#8217;s the agroindustrial, monoculture method of farming that is broken. GMOs are just another failed product attempting to control the market. The pro GMO camp doesn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on. If Monsanto wanted to end world hunger, they wouldn&#8217;t be selling TERMINATOR seeds. Seriously. That&#8217;s what they&#8217;re called.</p>
<p>Distilled point: There are better solutions already available, and GMOs are an expensive and unwanted proprietary failure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Portland Anti-Science? by Matt B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KK I think you could rename the blog Collide-a-faith since that&#039;s what many of your columns discuss; people with strong positions that they have taken on faith. The religious get a fair amount of heat for accepting certain beliefs of faith. I have no issue with them taking that heat; certainly teaching Creationism is ridiculous to me, you can do that voodoo on your own time. But, I will credit many religious people with this: they openly state &quot;I am a person of faith; I believe XYZ on faith&quot;. I may not agree, and I may think their ideas dopey, but at least they admit they believe in things that they don&#039;t understand.

I have much less patience with those that also believe on faith but are too obtuse to realize this. The fact that many of these folks believe they are mentally superior beings simply because they don&#039;t subscribe to religious faith makes them that much more irritating. Portland is a city full of these irritating people.............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KK I think you could rename the blog Collide-a-faith since that&#8217;s what many of your columns discuss; people with strong positions that they have taken on faith. The religious get a fair amount of heat for accepting certain beliefs of faith. I have no issue with them taking that heat; certainly teaching Creationism is ridiculous to me, you can do that voodoo on your own time. But, I will credit many religious people with this: they openly state &#8220;I am a person of faith; I believe XYZ on faith&#8221;. I may not agree, and I may think their ideas dopey, but at least they admit they believe in things that they don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>I have much less patience with those that also believe on faith but are too obtuse to realize this. The fact that many of these folks believe they are mentally superior beings simply because they don&#8217;t subscribe to religious faith makes them that much more irritating. Portland is a city full of these irritating people&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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