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	<title>Comments on: The Blog as a Sharp Tool for Research</title>
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		<title>By: Library clips</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/23/the-blog-as-a-sharp-tool-for-research/comment-page-1/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>Library clips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Carnival of discussion&lt;/strong&gt;

	Carnival of the Infosciences is an idea that Greg at Open Stacks has initiated (although this concept is not new).
	The idea is that a different blog hosts communally submitted content every week (that wasn&#8217;t put well)&#8230;here&#8217;s how Gre...</description>
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<p>	Carnival of the Infosciences is an idea that Greg at Open Stacks has initiated (although this concept is not new).<br />
	The idea is that a different blog hosts communally submitted content every week (that wasn&#8217;t put well)&#8230;here&#8217;s how Gre&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adventures in Ethics and Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/23/the-blog-as-a-sharp-tool-for-research/comment-page-1/#comment-414</link>
		<dc:creator>Adventures in Ethics and Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Science blogs for intra-scientific community communication.&lt;/strong&gt;

Last month, Clifford Johnson at Cosmic Variance considered the use of group blogs as a research tool.</description>
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<p>Last month, Clifford Johnson at Cosmic Variance considered the use of group blogs as a research tool.</p>
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		<title>By: arxiv.org Joins the Blogosphere! &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/23/the-blog-as-a-sharp-tool-for-research/comment-page-1/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>arxiv.org Joins the Blogosphere! &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now, if you write a paper and people comment on it on their blogs, that fact will be recorded right there at the abstract on arxiv.org. Drawing us one step closer to the use of blogs as research tools. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now, if you write a paper and people comment on it on their blogs, that fact will be recorded right there at the abstract on arxiv.org. Drawing us one step closer to the use of blogs as research tools. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/23/the-blog-as-a-sharp-tool-for-research/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm it is a bit embarrasing to offer oneself to help in website building and to have a malformed HTML at the same time :-(  It was not obvious that with &quot;my site&quot; I was referring to &quot;Physics Comments&quot; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.physcomments.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;].

By the way when I started the site I asked the usual suspects to keep at least a six-month moratory before starting to upload comments on their own theories as usual, and I must report that they have happily honoured the word as if it were an oath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm it is a bit embarrasing to offer oneself to help in website building and to have a malformed HTML at the same time <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />   It was not obvious that with &#8220;my site&#8221; I was referring to &#8220;Physics Comments&#8221; [<a href="http://www.physcomments.org/" rel="nofollow">here</a>].</p>
<p>By the way when I started the site I asked the usual suspects to keep at least a six-month moratory before starting to upload comments on their own theories as usual, and I must report that they have happily honoured the word as if it were an oath.</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/23/the-blog-as-a-sharp-tool-for-research/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford, if sometime you keep going with the idea, I offer to collaborate in the setup. Now, let me to remark that in the same way that any other blogging system, my site also allows registered users to thread comments, as well as initiate discussions on any arxived paper. Now, since I started in December, only three or four registered users had actually started topics, and only one or two have got followups.  The major feedback I have got  were inquiries about what institution was backing me. Site runs mainly from feedback from cited authors: an automated system (relying in spires and citebase) selects one or two authors in each article and requests them to volunteer such feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford, if sometime you keep going with the idea, I offer to collaborate in the setup. Now, let me to remark that in the same way that any other blogging system, my site also allows registered users to thread comments, as well as initiate discussions on any arxived paper. Now, since I started in December, only three or four registered users had actually started topics, and only one or two have got followups.  The major feedback I have got  were inquiries about what institution was backing me. Site runs mainly from feedback from cited authors: an automated system (relying in spires and citebase) selects one or two authors in each article and requests them to volunteer such feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/23/the-blog-as-a-sharp-tool-for-research/comment-page-1/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Jill, I&#039;d have to be convinced that there&#039;d be enough people interested in taking part. I fear that Jacques and Ann may be exactly right on at least that point and I may be hopelessly naive: Bluntly put -in my words not theirs- maybe the average person in our field is just too (pick your mix from:) competitive, afraid or paranoid to engage in useful open discussion on such a forum. It scares me that this might be true. And from the lack of people showing up to contradict Jacques and Ann and say that they&#039;d take part, I have no evidence to the contrary. A warm fuzzy feeling about my colleagues in the field might not be enough to go on. Maybe it would work for another field that is more open? They&#039;d be able to take advantage of the other positive features of the model (things like all being on the same page, literally, that JD and I disagree about), which I&#039;m sure would be useful (like the Archive was).  I don&#039;t know. Maybe someone else will try it elsewhere, and our field drops the ball on this one.

We shall see.

Thanks for your encouragement, though.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jill, I&#8217;d have to be convinced that there&#8217;d be enough people interested in taking part. I fear that Jacques and Ann may be exactly right on at least that point and I may be hopelessly naive: Bluntly put -in my words not theirs- maybe the average person in our field is just too (pick your mix from:) competitive, afraid or paranoid to engage in useful open discussion on such a forum. It scares me that this might be true. And from the lack of people showing up to contradict Jacques and Ann and say that they&#8217;d take part, I have no evidence to the contrary. A warm fuzzy feeling about my colleagues in the field might not be enough to go on. Maybe it would work for another field that is more open? They&#8217;d be able to take advantage of the other positive features of the model (things like all being on the same page, literally, that JD and I disagree about), which I&#8217;m sure would be useful (like the Archive was).  I don&#8217;t know. Maybe someone else will try it elsewhere, and our field drops the ball on this one.</p>
<p>We shall see.</p>
<p>Thanks for your encouragement, though.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, right, everyone is clear that this idea won&#039;t work.

So you *are* going ahead with it, I hope, cvj? :-)

I mean, that&#039;s science, right? Let&#039;s put the hypothesis to the test. Anyway, it would be easy to get it started. Someone should.........oops.

Seriously, though, I do hope you will give it a try. Nobody has actually claimed that it would do any harm, have they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, right, everyone is clear that this idea won&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>So you *are* going ahead with it, I hope, cvj? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I mean, that&#8217;s science, right? Let&#8217;s put the hypothesis to the test. Anyway, it would be easy to get it started. Someone should&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;oops.</p>
<p>Seriously, though, I do hope you will give it a try. Nobody has actually claimed that it would do any harm, have they?</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/23/the-blog-as-a-sharp-tool-for-research/comment-page-1/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacques,

(1) I simply don&#039;t agree.
(2) You&#039;re over-reacting. You&#039;re a smart guy, so I will assume that you are over-reacting in this way as a clever demonstration of your earlier point of just why people might be reluctant to put forward ideas on blogs. &lt;em&gt; Brilliant! &lt;/em&gt;
(3) You&#039;ve completely misunderstood ad mischaracterised the core of the suggestion, despite how clearly it was explained in the beginning post. Perhaps another illustrative demo? &lt;em&gt;Excellent. &lt;/em&gt;
(4) I explicitly asked readers for thoughts about the idea to explore whether to take it further. How could you have not seen that in your characterization of this as a &quot;It would be easy to.... Someone should...&quot; post?
(5) As with many things, it does not have to come down to choosing one model or the other, as you seem to be suggesting. We can have both. Just like there are other sources for research information besides the Archive. So I&#039;m not asking you to give up your blog, (don&#039;t worry! :-) ) I&#039;m just asking if there might be something else we can do as a field as a whole.

Just in case, let me point out (as can be gleaned from re-reading the post) that the suggestion is *precisely* a technological way of enhancing what we already do: talking to each other about ideas. Just like the Archive was a technological way of increasing the speed and connectivity of distributing papers.

Also, about the use of ping-backs and the like for spotting what other discussions are going on elswhere on the web?  Come on, you&#039;re joking, right?  Now &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; is a demonstrably inefficient technological fix for something that we can sort out in a better low-tech way: Why have lots of people talking independently on their own soap boxes on their own corner of the park, with a inefficient procedure of each soapboxer having to remember to have hyperlinks (runners, I suppose) between the soapboxes, instead of gathering together in one place and taking turns on the soapbox? Funny stuff, JD.

You have many talents, Jacques, but I did not know that comedy was one of them. That&#039;s good. That&#039;s &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; good.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques,</p>
<p>(1) I simply don&#8217;t agree.<br />
(2) You&#8217;re over-reacting. You&#8217;re a smart guy, so I will assume that you are over-reacting in this way as a clever demonstration of your earlier point of just why people might be reluctant to put forward ideas on blogs. <em> Brilliant! </em><br />
(3) You&#8217;ve completely misunderstood ad mischaracterised the core of the suggestion, despite how clearly it was explained in the beginning post. Perhaps another illustrative demo? <em>Excellent. </em><br />
(4) I explicitly asked readers for thoughts about the idea to explore whether to take it further. How could you have not seen that in your characterization of this as a &#8220;It would be easy to&#8230;. Someone should&#8230;&#8221; post?<br />
(5) As with many things, it does not have to come down to choosing one model or the other, as you seem to be suggesting. We can have both. Just like there are other sources for research information besides the Archive. So I&#8217;m not asking you to give up your blog, (don&#8217;t worry! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) I&#8217;m just asking if there might be something else we can do as a field as a whole.</p>
<p>Just in case, let me point out (as can be gleaned from re-reading the post) that the suggestion is *precisely* a technological way of enhancing what we already do: talking to each other about ideas. Just like the Archive was a technological way of increasing the speed and connectivity of distributing papers.</p>
<p>Also, about the use of ping-backs and the like for spotting what other discussions are going on elswhere on the web?  Come on, you&#8217;re joking, right?  Now <em>that</em> is a demonstrably inefficient technological fix for something that we can sort out in a better low-tech way: Why have lots of people talking independently on their own soap boxes on their own corner of the park, with a inefficient procedure of each soapboxer having to remember to have hyperlinks (runners, I suppose) between the soapboxes, instead of gathering together in one place and taking turns on the soapbox? Funny stuff, JD.</p>
<p>You have many talents, Jacques, but I did not know that comedy was one of them. That&#8217;s good. That&#8217;s <em>really</em> good.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Distler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/23/the-blog-as-a-sharp-tool-for-research/comment-page-1/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Distler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill:

Thanks for the kind comments. There are lots of models of what a physics research blog could look like. Mine is very different from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/string/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;String Coffee Table&lt;/a&gt;. Most importantly, there are so few extant examples, that I believe we have barely scratched the surface of what&#039;s possible. We need a lot more examples and a lot more experimentation before we can begin to sort out what &quot;works&quot; from what doesn&#039;t. That&#039;s why, even if I liked the idea of a centralized system like the one Clifford is proposing, it seems to me to be terribly premature to hope to choose what format it should take.

Clifford:

Finding the interesting conversations on the web is hardly a problem. How many &lt;em&gt;hours&lt;/em&gt; was CosmicVariance in operation before you got your first inbound link (not counting those from Sean and Mark&#039;s blogs)?

The idea of centralizing the conversion in one location goes against the whole &lt;em&gt;point&lt;/em&gt; of the web, which is all about &lt;em&gt;decentralization&lt;/em&gt;.  And, no matter how carefully you engineer the &quot;rules&quot; under which it functions, I fail to see how it could possibly be construed as &quot;more democratic.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry if I&#039;m reacting rather sharply to this suggestion of yours. But there are two tendencies in peoples&#039; thinking about the Web and the way people use it to interact that really tick me off. The first is the tendency to seek technological solutions to sociological problems. Technology can make it easier for people to do what they otherwise would be inclined to do; it&#039;s rarely effective in getting people to do what they otherwise would &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; be inclined to do.  The second is when someone has what they &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; is a &lt;em&gt;great&lt;/em&gt; idea and says, &quot;It would be easy to ... Someone should ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill:</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind comments. There are lots of models of what a physics research blog could look like. Mine is very different from the <a href="http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/string/" rel="nofollow">String Coffee Table</a>. Most importantly, there are so few extant examples, that I believe we have barely scratched the surface of what&#8217;s possible. We need a lot more examples and a lot more experimentation before we can begin to sort out what &#8220;works&#8221; from what doesn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s why, even if I liked the idea of a centralized system like the one Clifford is proposing, it seems to me to be terribly premature to hope to choose what format it should take.</p>
<p>Clifford:</p>
<p>Finding the interesting conversations on the web is hardly a problem. How many <em>hours</em> was CosmicVariance in operation before you got your first inbound link (not counting those from Sean and Mark&#8217;s blogs)?</p>
<p>The idea of centralizing the conversion in one location goes against the whole <em>point</em> of the web, which is all about <em>decentralization</em>.  And, no matter how carefully you engineer the &#8220;rules&#8221; under which it functions, I fail to see how it could possibly be construed as &#8220;more democratic.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I&#8217;m reacting rather sharply to this suggestion of yours. But there are two tendencies in peoples&#8217; thinking about the Web and the way people use it to interact that really tick me off. The first is the tendency to seek technological solutions to sociological problems. Technology can make it easier for people to do what they otherwise would be inclined to do; it&#8217;s rarely effective in getting people to do what they otherwise would <em>not</em> be inclined to do.  The second is when someone has what they <em>think</em> is a <em>great</em> idea and says, &#8220;It would be easy to &#8230; Someone should &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly, Robert! Thanks. -cvj</description>
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