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		<title>By: Cygnus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/24/silly-talk-about-science/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Cygnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all let me say that I&#039;ve just come across your blog, and it&#039;s plenty nice, keep up the good work.

   I&#039;m doing my Master&#039;s in Physics in a predominantly technological institute, swarming with engineering types.  Engineers never cease to amaze me with their ability to ask really dumb questions about physics, I mean of all people you&#039;d expect them to be better informed. One of the most common and irritating comments I get are: &quot;I&#039;ve just proved Einstein wrong&quot;.  A little more enquiry gets them lanched into this long argument of how time dilation can&#039;t work because if moving clocks are slower, than the moving clock should see a stationary one as slower.  As I patiently explain that, that is exactly the case, they go on and on about how that&#039;s a contradiction.  Then, I&#039;ve tried to explain in as much detail as I can but they refuse to understand the basic idea of the reletivity of simultaneaty and so on...

Nowadays, whenever I get such a crackpot, my immediate response is, why don&#039;t you send that for publication, the Physical Review would love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all let me say that I&#8217;ve just come across your blog, and it&#8217;s plenty nice, keep up the good work.</p>
<p>   I&#8217;m doing my Master&#8217;s in Physics in a predominantly technological institute, swarming with engineering types.  Engineers never cease to amaze me with their ability to ask really dumb questions about physics, I mean of all people you&#8217;d expect them to be better informed. One of the most common and irritating comments I get are: &#8220;I&#8217;ve just proved Einstein wrong&#8221;.  A little more enquiry gets them lanched into this long argument of how time dilation can&#8217;t work because if moving clocks are slower, than the moving clock should see a stationary one as slower.  As I patiently explain that, that is exactly the case, they go on and on about how that&#8217;s a contradiction.  Then, I&#8217;ve tried to explain in as much detail as I can but they refuse to understand the basic idea of the reletivity of simultaneaty and so on&#8230;</p>
<p>Nowadays, whenever I get such a crackpot, my immediate response is, why don&#8217;t you send that for publication, the Physical Review would love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Some adventure &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CGT is not Game Theory</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/24/silly-talk-about-science/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Some adventure &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CGT is not Game Theory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I suppose this kind of problem is fairly common. I wouldn&#8217;t mind learning enough game theory in the economic sense to keep up those appearances, but I don&#8217;t have time for that in the near future. I think that means I have no choice but to misrepresent the name of my field. Any mention of &#8220;games&#8221; will immediately be linked to popular game theory, no matter how much explaining I do. CGT could be seen as a subfield of &#8220;recreational mathematics&#8221;, but then I might need to explain that it is, in fact, actually my professional research. Perhaps &#8220;combinatorial decision-tree analysis&#8221; would be a suitable title, or perhaps just &#8220;combinatorics&#8221;. What do you think? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I suppose this kind of problem is fairly common. I wouldn&#8217;t mind learning enough game theory in the economic sense to keep up those appearances, but I don&#8217;t have time for that in the near future. I think that means I have no choice but to misrepresent the name of my field. Any mention of &#8220;games&#8221; will immediately be linked to popular game theory, no matter how much explaining I do. CGT could be seen as a subfield of &#8220;recreational mathematics&#8221;, but then I might need to explain that it is, in fact, actually my professional research. Perhaps &#8220;combinatorial decision-tree analysis&#8221; would be a suitable title, or perhaps just &#8220;combinatorics&#8221;. What do you think? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MikeW</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/24/silly-talk-about-science/comment-page-1/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote from relative of friend about to start chemistry at university:
- &quot;What are training to be ?&quot;
(Friend): &quot;A chemist&quot;
(Relative): &quot;Oh, like Boots, you mean ?&quot;
[for non-UK readers: http://www.boots.com/ ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote from relative of friend about to start chemistry at university:<br />
- &#8220;What are training to be ?&#8221;<br />
(Friend): &#8220;A chemist&#8221;<br />
(Relative): &#8220;Oh, like Boots, you mean ?&#8221;<br />
[for non-UK readers: <a href="http://www.boots.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boots.com/</a> ]</p>
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		<title>By: Computers are to Computer Science....</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/24/silly-talk-about-science/comment-page-1/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Computers are to Computer Science....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a computer scientist, and just finished my Ph.D. in April. When I would tell people that I was working on my Ph.D. in computer science, I almost always got the following:

1) &quot;So do you like have to write a computer program for that?&quot; or the variant &quot;Oh, so you write computer programs? Have you seen X? It&#039;s really cool&quot;

or

2) &quot;So you fix computers?&quot;

or

3) &quot;I can&#039;t get  &#124;  &#124; . How would I fix that?&quot;

I know at this point that I should just let it go, but it makes me SO ANGRY that I get confused with some IT moron (nothing against you IT people, but likening me with my PhD to some  geek with a bachelor&#039;s degree who sets up your network is insulting). I inevitably begin with Edsger Dijkstra - &quot;Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes.&quot; and then say lots of very technical things (&quot;graph theory&quot;, &quot;erdos&quot;, &quot;lattice&quot;, &quot;propagation&quot;, etc) until the questioner has retreated thoroughly from the IT end of things.

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a computer scientist, and just finished my Ph.D. in April. When I would tell people that I was working on my Ph.D. in computer science, I almost always got the following:</p>
<p>1) &#8220;So do you like have to write a computer program for that?&#8221; or the variant &#8220;Oh, so you write computer programs? Have you seen X? It&#8217;s really cool&#8221;</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>2) &#8220;So you fix computers?&#8221;</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>3) &#8220;I can&#8217;t get  |  | . How would I fix that?&#8221;</p>
<p>I know at this point that I should just let it go, but it makes me SO ANGRY that I get confused with some IT moron (nothing against you IT people, but likening me with my PhD to some  geek with a bachelor&#8217;s degree who sets up your network is insulting). I inevitably begin with Edsger Dijkstra &#8211; &#8220;Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes.&#8221; and then say lots of very technical things (&#8221;graph theory&#8221;, &#8220;erdos&#8221;, &#8220;lattice&#8221;, &#8220;propagation&#8221;, etc) until the questioner has retreated thoroughly from the IT end of things.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: astromcnaught</title>
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		<dc:creator>astromcnaught</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello everybody,

My aunt asking about my new telescope: &quot;How far can it see?&quot;  &quot;Erm...&quot;

Another relative at same telescope after having had a little telescopically illustrated lecture about the planets and so on.  We were looking at a bright cresent moon (not Earthlight)... &quot;The shape of the moon, thats caused by the reflections of the sun off the Earth, isn&#039;t it?&quot;  [stunned silence]

Another good one many years ago when discussing the visibility of a solar eclipse.  &quot;...but it all depends on the phase of the moon, doesn&#039;t it?&quot;

I&#039;m not making these up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everybody,</p>
<p>My aunt asking about my new telescope: &#8220;How far can it see?&#8221;  &#8220;Erm&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Another relative at same telescope after having had a little telescopically illustrated lecture about the planets and so on.  We were looking at a bright cresent moon (not Earthlight)&#8230; &#8220;The shape of the moon, thats caused by the reflections of the sun off the Earth, isn&#8217;t it?&#8221;  [stunned silence]</p>
<p>Another good one many years ago when discussing the visibility of a solar eclipse.  &#8220;&#8230;but it all depends on the phase of the moon, doesn&#8217;t it?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not making these up.</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/24/silly-talk-about-science/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my cousin and lab partner through multiple EE classes went to meet the parents of his now-wife, they asked what he was studying in school. He explained he was studying EE and mathematics. They looked at him funny when he said math, and proceeded to ask him something to the effect of, &quot;What can you do with that?&quot;

Their daughter was studying art history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my cousin and lab partner through multiple EE classes went to meet the parents of his now-wife, they asked what he was studying in school. He explained he was studying EE and mathematics. They looked at him funny when he said math, and proceeded to ask him something to the effect of, &#8220;What can you do with that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Their daughter was studying art history.</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/24/silly-talk-about-science/comment-page-1/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm has this thread terminated at a mere 55 replies? Let me suggest the contrary topic: not so silly talks.

A couple months ago the wife of a local farmer was trying to sell us two water pumps. Not knowing about the difference between both, we went to a mechanics workshop (an actual workshop, this is, no an academical one) to ask. The boss explained:
Boss: &quot;This pump uses valves, you can put it inside the water and it is pushed above, but the water must be very clean. This another has not such problem and it can work even with residual water; the turbine centrifuges the water away and it sucks water from this tube.&quot;
We: &quot;Er yeah...&quot;
Boss: &quot;I mean it is a suction pump, you can not use a suction pump for heights greater than about 7 meters&quot; (pause)
Me: (smiling) &quot;eh, yes, I see&quot;

Of course when outing from the workshop my friend was kind enough to ask me the question the boss was waiting in his pause: &quot;and even with a bigger centrifuge?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm has this thread terminated at a mere 55 replies? Let me suggest the contrary topic: not so silly talks.</p>
<p>A couple months ago the wife of a local farmer was trying to sell us two water pumps. Not knowing about the difference between both, we went to a mechanics workshop (an actual workshop, this is, no an academical one) to ask. The boss explained:<br />
Boss: &#8220;This pump uses valves, you can put it inside the water and it is pushed above, but the water must be very clean. This another has not such problem and it can work even with residual water; the turbine centrifuges the water away and it sucks water from this tube.&#8221;<br />
We: &#8220;Er yeah&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Boss: &#8220;I mean it is a suction pump, you can not use a suction pump for heights greater than about 7 meters&#8221; (pause)<br />
Me: (smiling) &#8220;eh, yes, I see&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course when outing from the workshop my friend was kind enough to ask me the question the boss was waiting in his pause: &#8220;and even with a bigger centrifuge?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/24/silly-talk-about-science/comment-page-1/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davis, next time you can explain that the volume of The Pyramid (try to pronounce the uppercases here, of course :-) ) was finally solved in Hilbert&#039;s third problem. Dehn (1900, 1902) and Kagan (1903).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davis, next time you can explain that the volume of The Pyramid (try to pronounce the uppercases here, of course <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) was finally solved in Hilbert&#8217;s third problem. Dehn (1900, 1902) and Kagan (1903).</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/24/silly-talk-about-science/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real mathematicians don&#039;t go to parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real mathematicians don&#8217;t go to parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/07/24/silly-talk-about-science/comment-page-1/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it was during my second year of my PhD program in mathematics that the following conversation occurred:

man at party: So what do you do?

me: I&#039;m working on my PhD in math, focusing on algebraic geometry.
man: Oh, so do you know about sacred geometry?

The conversation didn&#039;t really go much further than that, surprisingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was during my second year of my PhD program in mathematics that the following conversation occurred:</p>
<p>man at party: So what do you do?</p>
<p>me: I&#8217;m working on my PhD in math, focusing on algebraic geometry.<br />
man: Oh, so do you know about sacred geometry?</p>
<p>The conversation didn&#8217;t really go much further than that, surprisingly.</p>
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