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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/17/the-greatest-physics-paper/comment-page-2/#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 08:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please follow the pingbacks. eg 184. The point was never entirely about what exactly the greatest was, which is pretty meaningless. The point was the conversation. It was good.

Thanks.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please follow the pingbacks. eg 184. The point was never entirely about what exactly the greatest was, which is pretty meaningless. The point was the conversation. It was good.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: V H Satheesh Kumar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/17/the-greatest-physics-paper/comment-page-2/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>V H Satheesh Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 07:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clifford, I don&#039;t know why do you want to do such a survey?? You better name it as &quot;Most popular paper in physics&quot; rather &quot;the greatest paper in Physics&quot;. Because, the methodology you are using is quite probabilistic in nature and you may come up with some Tom, Dick and Harry&#039;s paper as the GREATEST which may insult the REAL great works! Please give it a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clifford, I don&#8217;t know why do you want to do such a survey?? You better name it as &#8220;Most popular paper in physics&#8221; rather &#8220;the greatest paper in Physics&#8221;. Because, the methodology you are using is quite probabilistic in nature and you may come up with some Tom, Dick and Harry&#8217;s paper as the GREATEST which may insult the REAL great works! Please give it a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Smart Lighting Bulb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smart Lighting Bulb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 10:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a nice blog. I suggest make some another experiment for physics papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a nice blog. I suggest make some another experiment for physics papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Cycle Quark &#187; Theorists! Bah!</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/17/the-greatest-physics-paper/comment-page-2/#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator>Cycle Quark &#187; Theorists! Bah!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The very interesting folks over at Cosmic Variance are selecting the Greatest Physics Paper ever written. My initial reaction was that the papers were all theory papers, and as an experimentalist myself I thought that seemed a little biased. The author of the post Clifford advised all to read the comments where the nominations were made before going off and ranting. Before you write in with your terribly original observation that such a concept is silly, flawed, problematic, juvenile, etc, please consider reading my original post on the subject, and then the truly wonderful lively and informative 183-comment (to date) discussion that followed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The very interesting folks over at Cosmic Variance are selecting the Greatest Physics Paper ever written. My initial reaction was that the papers were all theory papers, and as an experimentalist myself I thought that seemed a little biased. The author of the post Clifford advised all to read the comments where the nominations were made before going off and ranting. Before you write in with your terribly original observation that such a concept is silly, flawed, problematic, juvenile, etc, please consider reading my original post on the subject, and then the truly wonderful lively and informative 183-comment (to date) discussion that followed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew C Skibo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/17/the-greatest-physics-paper/comment-page-2/#comment-1846</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew C Skibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My vote is for Dirac, paper or book, whichever seems to hit the spot.  He predicted something completely outrageous (positron), and was vindicated not that long thereafter.

I think Hawking&#039;s Brief History of Time has been overrated.  My introduction to physics started with Gamow&#039;s books; many years later Feynman and Dirac were icing on the cake.

Even if only an honorable mention, there should be some room for the paper of Alpher, Bethe, and Gamow -- not particularly for content, but the author list was incredibly creative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My vote is for Dirac, paper or book, whichever seems to hit the spot.  He predicted something completely outrageous (positron), and was vindicated not that long thereafter.</p>
<p>I think Hawking&#8217;s Brief History of Time has been overrated.  My introduction to physics started with Gamow&#8217;s books; many years later Feynman and Dirac were icing on the cake.</p>
<p>Even if only an honorable mention, there should be some room for the paper of Alpher, Bethe, and Gamow &#8212; not particularly for content, but the author list was incredibly creative.</p>
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		<title>By: Aswin&#8217;s Blog &#187; Noether&#8217;s theorem</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/17/the-greatest-physics-paper/comment-page-2/#comment-1845</link>
		<dc:creator>Aswin&#8217;s Blog &#187; Noether&#8217;s theorem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I had earlier made a post about the Clifford&#8217;s post on the &#8220;Greatest Physics Paper&#8221;.  It is always fun to talk about history of physics and this thread certainly served that purpose. I also thought that Clifford had intended to have a debate and then run away&#8230; But, surprisingly, he has come back to the post and it is time to Vote!! AND Emmy Noether&#8217;s Symmetries Paper (my suggestion) is amongst the final five! As expected, The Principia is currently leading the way&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I had earlier made a post about the Clifford&#8217;s post on the &#8220;Greatest Physics Paper&#8221;.  It is always fun to talk about history of physics and this thread certainly served that purpose. I also thought that Clifford had intended to have a debate and then run away&#8230; But, surprisingly, he has come back to the post and it is time to Vote!! AND Emmy Noether&#8217;s Symmetries Paper (my suggestion) is amongst the final five! As expected, The Principia is currently leading the way&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Greatest Physics Paper! The Vote &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/17/the-greatest-physics-paper/comment-page-2/#comment-1844</link>
		<dc:creator>The Greatest Physics Paper! The Vote &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, after a long wait (sorry), I&#8217;m going to initiate the next phase of your choosing of The Greatest Physics Paper! Before you write in with your terribly original observation that such a concept is silly, flawed, problematic, juvenile, etc, please consider reading my original post on the subject, and then the truly wonderful lively and informative 183-comment (to date) discussion that followed. To have such a valuable discussion was, of course, the intent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well, after a long wait (sorry), I&#8217;m going to initiate the next phase of your choosing of The Greatest Physics Paper! Before you write in with your terribly original observation that such a concept is silly, flawed, problematic, juvenile, etc, please consider reading my original post on the subject, and then the truly wonderful lively and informative 183-comment (to date) discussion that followed. To have such a valuable discussion was, of course, the intent. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Beedle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/17/the-greatest-physics-paper/comment-page-2/#comment-1842</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Beedle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone, great posts...  I think most papers suggested are very important  -- but none is as important as the whole collection :-)

Imnsho, it is them &quot;in collection&quot; and &quot;in-syergy&quot; which really provide, as dots in an impressionist painting, the &quot;big picture&quot;... from the big bang, to our final future destiny; and from the Universe, in all of its magnitue and content, to our smallest unit (still to be found and understood).

So let me just add to the already collectively provided great list, and in the spirit of &quot;the big (but arguably quantized) spacetime picture&quot; above:

1) Hawking Radiation paper, for letting us understand our
final destinity...  evaporting black holes ever so far apart that eventually become a sea of radiation.

S.W. Hawking, Nature 248, 30 (1974); Comm. Math. Phys. 43, 199 (1975). (Combine as one.)

2) Beckenstein limit paper, for letting us understand
in no uncertain terms the discreteness of space-time
and perhaps suggest our true &quot;physical units&quot;.. for surely we will find a representation:

J.D. Beckenstein, Phys. Rev. D 7, 2333 (1973); Phys. Rev. D 9, 3292 (1974).

perhaps like those suggested by Finkelstein:
http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/FQR02.pdf

3) Yang-Mills contributions for local gauge theories...
for without local gauge theories we would not have gone as far as we have in the SM.

Yang, Mills 1954 Physical Review 95, 631.
Yang, Mills 1954 Physical Review 96, 191.


4) Kingdon Clifford, for giving us Clifford Algebras, and the vision of General Relativity.  Surely the trend to describe things with Clifford/Geometric algebras will continue to emerge as a better way to describe physical reality in the next few years.

But, remarkably, Clifford should also get much of the credit for the vision of General Relativity.  Einstein indeed left a great legacy:  he completed Clifford&#039;s dream of describing gravity, space-time and mass interactions using  Riemmannian geometry, and waves in curved space.  (Good thing he was good at tying shoe laces.)

If you are not convinced, see the archives of the Cambridge Philosophical Society, 1870:

&quot;That this variation of the curvature of space is what really happens in that phenomenon which we call the motion of matter, whether ponderable or etherial.&quot;

&quot;That in the physical world nothing else takes place but this variation, subject (possibly) to the laws of continuity.&quot; etc.

As for &lt;strong&gt;futures&lt;/strong&gt;, (and I apologize, these sound fundamental to me, but of course, it depends on perspective , how about:

1) Nambu original paper on Strings (maybe with some reference to Susskind and Nielssen)
2) &quot;Anomaly cancelations&quot; by Green and Schwarz,
3) Gross&#039;s et al original paper on Heterotic strings
4) papers by Penrose on the structure of space time,
5) papers by Ashtekar, Smolin, Rovelli describing LQG,
and its &quot;alternate way&quot; of doing quantum mechanics...
6) Sherck (and later Wess-Zumino!, or was it
Yuri Golfand and E. Likhtman ??) for SUSY,

or perhaps some unified version of the above like:

Thomas Thiemann, The LQG -- String: Loop Quantum Gravity Quantization of String Theory I. Flat Target Space
http://xxx.uni-augsburg.de/abs/hep-th/0401172

... only these, only time will tell.

Sorry for the longish post,

- Mike

** For fun, check also top cited HEP articles:
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/library/topcites/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone, great posts&#8230;  I think most papers suggested are very important  &#8212; but none is as important as the whole collection <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Imnsho, it is them &#8220;in collection&#8221; and &#8220;in-syergy&#8221; which really provide, as dots in an impressionist painting, the &#8220;big picture&#8221;&#8230; from the big bang, to our final future destiny; and from the Universe, in all of its magnitue and content, to our smallest unit (still to be found and understood).</p>
<p>So let me just add to the already collectively provided great list, and in the spirit of &#8220;the big (but arguably quantized) spacetime picture&#8221; above:</p>
<p>1) Hawking Radiation paper, for letting us understand our<br />
final destinity&#8230;  evaporting black holes ever so far apart that eventually become a sea of radiation.</p>
<p>S.W. Hawking, Nature 248, 30 (1974); Comm. Math. Phys. 43, 199 (1975). (Combine as one.)</p>
<p>2) Beckenstein limit paper, for letting us understand<br />
in no uncertain terms the discreteness of space-time<br />
and perhaps suggest our true &#8220;physical units&#8221;.. for surely we will find a representation:</p>
<p>J.D. Beckenstein, Phys. Rev. D 7, 2333 (1973); Phys. Rev. D 9, 3292 (1974).</p>
<p>perhaps like those suggested by Finkelstein:<br />
<a href="http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/FQR02.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/FQR02.pdf</a></p>
<p>3) Yang-Mills contributions for local gauge theories&#8230;<br />
for without local gauge theories we would not have gone as far as we have in the SM.</p>
<p>Yang, Mills 1954 Physical Review 95, 631.<br />
Yang, Mills 1954 Physical Review 96, 191.</p>
<p>4) Kingdon Clifford, for giving us Clifford Algebras, and the vision of General Relativity.  Surely the trend to describe things with Clifford/Geometric algebras will continue to emerge as a better way to describe physical reality in the next few years.</p>
<p>But, remarkably, Clifford should also get much of the credit for the vision of General Relativity.  Einstein indeed left a great legacy:  he completed Clifford&#8217;s dream of describing gravity, space-time and mass interactions using  Riemmannian geometry, and waves in curved space.  (Good thing he was good at tying shoe laces.)</p>
<p>If you are not convinced, see the archives of the Cambridge Philosophical Society, 1870:</p>
<p>&#8220;That this variation of the curvature of space is what really happens in that phenomenon which we call the motion of matter, whether ponderable or etherial.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That in the physical world nothing else takes place but this variation, subject (possibly) to the laws of continuity.&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>As for <strong>futures</strong>, (and I apologize, these sound fundamental to me, but of course, it depends on perspective , how about:</p>
<p>1) Nambu original paper on Strings (maybe with some reference to Susskind and Nielssen)<br />
2) &#8220;Anomaly cancelations&#8221; by Green and Schwarz,<br />
3) Gross&#8217;s et al original paper on Heterotic strings<br />
4) papers by Penrose on the structure of space time,<br />
5) papers by Ashtekar, Smolin, Rovelli describing LQG,<br />
and its &#8220;alternate way&#8221; of doing quantum mechanics&#8230;<br />
6) Sherck (and later Wess-Zumino!, or was it<br />
Yuri Golfand and E. Likhtman ??) for SUSY,</p>
<p>or perhaps some unified version of the above like:</p>
<p>Thomas Thiemann, The LQG &#8212; String: Loop Quantum Gravity Quantization of String Theory I. Flat Target Space<br />
<a href="http://xxx.uni-augsburg.de/abs/hep-th/0401172" rel="nofollow">http://xxx.uni-augsburg.de/abs/hep-th/0401172</a></p>
<p>&#8230; only these, only time will tell.</p>
<p>Sorry for the longish post,</p>
<p>- Mike</p>
<p>** For fun, check also top cited HEP articles:<br />
<a href="http://www.slac.stanford.edu/library/topcites/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.slac.stanford.edu/library/topcites/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/17/the-greatest-physics-paper/comment-page-2/#comment-1841</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fh.. does not matter.....the discussion is still on..... thanks!


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fh.. does not matter&#8230;..the discussion is still on&#8230;.. thanks!</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: fh</title>
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		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy was I ever late for that one, only saw the date of that post now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy was I ever late for that one, only saw the date of that post now&#8230;</p>
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