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		<title>By: Hubble On The Bus &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/27/herding-cats-and-stopping-traffic/comment-page-1/#comment-2497</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubble On The Bus &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And further news: I&#8217;ve been seeing more cyclists on the streets, and from a wider demographic. Some of them are even using the proper equipment - lights back and front and helmets. Hurrah! There&#8217;s really no better way to get to know your city than cycling (see here, here and here). Give it a try. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And further news: I&#8217;ve been seeing more cyclists on the streets, and from a wider demographic. Some of them are even using the proper equipment &#8211; lights back and front and helmets. Hurrah! There&#8217;s really no better way to get to know your city than cycling (see here, here and here). Give it a try. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Commuting, II &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/27/herding-cats-and-stopping-traffic/comment-page-1/#comment-2496</link>
		<dc:creator>Commuting, II &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I like to pause and smugly look at the 101 freeway as I cycle over it. Annoyingly, it is not at a standstill as I took this photo, so the photo is not dramatic. Ok, I&#8217;ll come clean here: it seldom is at a standstill. What people tell you about traffic in LA is in fact over-exaggerated, most times. Try driving near London or many other major European cities and you&#8217;ll know what I mean. Traffic is not the (only) reason I choose to use public transport (and cycle).  See earlier discussions. One reason is simply that if we don&#8217;t use what is there, it will never get better. And cyclists should simply not give control of the road to motorists. We have a legal right to a lane on the road when we want it, and should not be forced onto the sidewalk, or into our cars. How will drivers learn this if we don&#8217;t cycle? (See here.) I&#8217;ve said lots on this already&#8230;. If I come by here in the evening, I&#8217;m always amused to see people pulling up and getting out in all their finery for some sort of fun night out at the local night club. This one is just a doorway. I&#8217;ve not been to any of these. I passed a lot of these on Sunset too, but I did not take any pictures. There&#8217;s another neighbourhood nursery of some sort (right). Everybody seems happy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I like to pause and smugly look at the 101 freeway as I cycle over it. Annoyingly, it is not at a standstill as I took this photo, so the photo is not dramatic. Ok, I&#8217;ll come clean here: it seldom is at a standstill. What people tell you about traffic in LA is in fact over-exaggerated, most times. Try driving near London or many other major European cities and you&#8217;ll know what I mean. Traffic is not the (only) reason I choose to use public transport (and cycle).  See earlier discussions. One reason is simply that if we don&#8217;t use what is there, it will never get better. And cyclists should simply not give control of the road to motorists. We have a legal right to a lane on the road when we want it, and should not be forced onto the sidewalk, or into our cars. How will drivers learn this if we don&#8217;t cycle? (See here.) I&#8217;ve said lots on this already&#8230;. If I come by here in the evening, I&#8217;m always amused to see people pulling up and getting out in all their finery for some sort of fun night out at the local night club. This one is just a doorway. I&#8217;ve not been to any of these. I passed a lot of these on Sunset too, but I did not take any pictures. There&#8217;s another neighbourhood nursery of some sort (right). Everybody seems happy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Commuting, I &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/27/herding-cats-and-stopping-traffic/comment-page-1/#comment-2495</link>
		<dc:creator>Commuting, I &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We pick up the journey on Hollywood Blvd, where we are passing one of my favourite hole-in-the-wall burrito stands. Dee-licious. (Featured near the end of a journey in an earlier post.) Immediately after is the Barnsdale Sculpture garden, and across the street from that is a nursery of some sort, with wonderful colourful murals on the walls. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We pick up the journey on Hollywood Blvd, where we are passing one of my favourite hole-in-the-wall burrito stands. Dee-licious. (Featured near the end of a journey in an earlier post.) Immediately after is the Barnsdale Sculpture garden, and across the street from that is a nursery of some sort, with wonderful colourful murals on the walls. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s true...but the main problem there is that bike lanes lure the rider into a false sense of security. They think that the sign saying bike lane affords them some sort of invisible force field and so they can not pay attention when cycling in them. Mistake. Cycling&#039;s not so unsafe, as long as the cyclists are making sure to take extra precautions, and make eye contact with motorists, etc. It helps to think like a motorist, because then you realize that there are times when you might not be visible, or a major priority to look out for when doing some particular maneuver, etc.....

But yes...side strees are great. They are sometimes a cycle lane all on their own, as they might run parallel to the main road for a long way (especially in cities with approximate grid systems)...and that way you see so much that you don&#039;t see of the city when driving. Makes you appreciate things on the human scale more....

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true&#8230;but the main problem there is that bike lanes lure the rider into a false sense of security. They think that the sign saying bike lane affords them some sort of invisible force field and so they can not pay attention when cycling in them. Mistake. Cycling&#8217;s not so unsafe, as long as the cyclists are making sure to take extra precautions, and make eye contact with motorists, etc. It helps to think like a motorist, because then you realize that there are times when you might not be visible, or a major priority to look out for when doing some particular maneuver, etc&#8230;..</p>
<p>But yes&#8230;side strees are great. They are sometimes a cycle lane all on their own, as they might run parallel to the main road for a long way (especially in cities with approximate grid systems)&#8230;and that way you see so much that you don&#8217;t see of the city when driving. Makes you appreciate things on the human scale more&#8230;.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will do. :)

That&#039;s interesting about riding on the sidewalk, but it makes sense. It would be useful if more people knew about that rule. I have some friends who bike everywhere, taking their baby along in a little bike trailer. The kid looks so vulnerable to me! They are very, very safety conscious, and they keep to the safest routes possible. Still, I wish there were a better option for them than riding in traffic. Bike lanes help, of course, but they say that quiet side streets are generally safer than major streets with bike lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will do. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting about riding on the sidewalk, but it makes sense. It would be useful if more people knew about that rule. I have some friends who bike everywhere, taking their baby along in a little bike trailer. The kid looks so vulnerable to me! They are very, very safety conscious, and they keep to the safest routes possible. Still, I wish there were a better option for them than riding in traffic. Bike lanes help, of course, but they say that quiet side streets are generally safer than major streets with bike lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/27/herding-cats-and-stopping-traffic/comment-page-1/#comment-2492</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

No, it&#039;s not too late to comment on this matter, Janet, or anyone. I think it is important. And yes, it is awful that several cyclints do have the attitude that you mention. One thing that happens over here in LA is that there are several people who simply cycle on the &quot;sidewalk&quot; as standard, because they (rightly or wrongly) regard the roads as dangerous. I was mortified by this, and could not bring myself to do it, on principle, until I realised that (1) there are times when you have no choice, and (2) actually, it is legal, but the rules say that you must do it only when you are not disruptive to pedestrians, and (3) in some -by no means all- places in the city, there are no people on the sidewalks anyway, so it is a sort of cycle lane by default. So it is ok, but then some people get carried away and do crazy things around pedestrians and help give cyclists the &quot;niusance&quot; reputation that they sometimes have. the main problem there is that people never recall the good encounters, only the bad ones. Most times cyclists pass by and you don&#039;t even know it.  There&#039;s just got to be care on both sides, and yes, a bit more care from the person who can do the most injury would be nice.

Wave if you pass me (or my &lt;em&gt; friend&lt;/em&gt;) out there on the road!

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not too late to comment on this matter, Janet, or anyone. I think it is important. And yes, it is awful that several cyclints do have the attitude that you mention. One thing that happens over here in LA is that there are several people who simply cycle on the &#8220;sidewalk&#8221; as standard, because they (rightly or wrongly) regard the roads as dangerous. I was mortified by this, and could not bring myself to do it, on principle, until I realised that (1) there are times when you have no choice, and (2) actually, it is legal, but the rules say that you must do it only when you are not disruptive to pedestrians, and (3) in some -by no means all- places in the city, there are no people on the sidewalks anyway, so it is a sort of cycle lane by default. So it is ok, but then some people get carried away and do crazy things around pedestrians and help give cyclists the &#8220;niusance&#8221; reputation that they sometimes have. the main problem there is that people never recall the good encounters, only the bad ones. Most times cyclists pass by and you don&#8217;t even know it.  There&#8217;s just got to be care on both sides, and yes, a bit more care from the person who can do the most injury would be nice.</p>
<p>Wave if you pass me (or my <em> friend</em>) out there on the road!</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/27/herding-cats-and-stopping-traffic/comment-page-1/#comment-2491</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belatedly....

I am essentially on the side of the bicyclists in this matter. I don&#039;t ride (grew up at the top of a steep hill and never learned), but I do a lot of walking, take public transport to work most days, and try to avoid driving as much as I can.

As a driver I figure that it&#039;s my job to look out for bicyclists, because I can do them a lot more damage than they can do me. If they&#039;re not following the rules of the road I grumble, and sometimes I&#039;m tempted to yell out my window &quot;are you trying to force me to kill you?&quot; But that&#039;s rare. However, as a pedestrian, I&#039;ve had a number of unpleasant altercations with bicyclists regarding near-misses, none of which were my fault. I don&#039;t hold this against bicyclists in general, but I have encountered some troubling attitudes, particularly &quot;bicyclists are above the law and above criticism&quot; and &quot;old, slow, disabled, and infirm people should just get out of our way&quot; enough times to think that these must be part of some segments of the bike culture. So I do appreciate that your friend didn&#039;t ride into the pedestrian mall, but it doesn&#039;t surprise me at all that some of his companions did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belatedly&#8230;.</p>
<p>I am essentially on the side of the bicyclists in this matter. I don&#8217;t ride (grew up at the top of a steep hill and never learned), but I do a lot of walking, take public transport to work most days, and try to avoid driving as much as I can.</p>
<p>As a driver I figure that it&#8217;s my job to look out for bicyclists, because I can do them a lot more damage than they can do me. If they&#8217;re not following the rules of the road I grumble, and sometimes I&#8217;m tempted to yell out my window &#8220;are you trying to force me to kill you?&#8221; But that&#8217;s rare. However, as a pedestrian, I&#8217;ve had a number of unpleasant altercations with bicyclists regarding near-misses, none of which were my fault. I don&#8217;t hold this against bicyclists in general, but I have encountered some troubling attitudes, particularly &#8220;bicyclists are above the law and above criticism&#8221; and &#8220;old, slow, disabled, and infirm people should just get out of our way&#8221; enough times to think that these must be part of some segments of the bike culture. So I do appreciate that your friend didn&#8217;t ride into the pedestrian mall, but it doesn&#8217;t surprise me at all that some of his companions did.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/27/herding-cats-and-stopping-traffic/comment-page-1/#comment-2490</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, and a tasteful name for it, to boot. What&#039;s not to like....?.... ;-)

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, and a tasteful name for it, to boot. What&#8217;s not to like&#8230;.?&#8230;. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if anyone out there is the slightest bit interested, and happens to be going to Burning Man this year for the first time, then they need to prepare for the Critical Tits ride.  Created by a veteran of the San Francisco Critical Mass movement, who happens to have a very important position with the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, Critical Tits is expected to draw more than 2000 entrants this year.  Requests have been made that the ratio of men to women should not exceed one male per ten female, as the ride has taken too much risk from biking and gawking.

It is an amazing expression of unfettered freedom seeing hundreds of women, naked except for mind blowing body painting and attached decorations to their bikes and hair, claiming all of the roads of Black Rock City as their own for a couple of hours.  While this isn&#039;t LA, nor the Bay Area et al, Black Rock City does have a population of 30+ thousand very intensely motivated hedonists and anarchists who have spend vast fortunes creating the opportunity for themselves to BE in a temporary autonomous zone.  Thus the ability of a couple of thousand women to reclaim all of the roads is a powerful statement indeed.  I suspect that the same could be said if Clifford&#039;s friend and all of those who participate with &quot;him&quot; were to ride along the Hollywood freeway naked during rush hour on a Friday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if anyone out there is the slightest bit interested, and happens to be going to Burning Man this year for the first time, then they need to prepare for the Critical Tits ride.  Created by a veteran of the San Francisco Critical Mass movement, who happens to have a very important position with the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, Critical Tits is expected to draw more than 2000 entrants this year.  Requests have been made that the ratio of men to women should not exceed one male per ten female, as the ride has taken too much risk from biking and gawking.</p>
<p>It is an amazing expression of unfettered freedom seeing hundreds of women, naked except for mind blowing body painting and attached decorations to their bikes and hair, claiming all of the roads of Black Rock City as their own for a couple of hours.  While this isn&#8217;t LA, nor the Bay Area et al, Black Rock City does have a population of 30+ thousand very intensely motivated hedonists and anarchists who have spend vast fortunes creating the opportunity for themselves to BE in a temporary autonomous zone.  Thus the ability of a couple of thousand women to reclaim all of the roads is a powerful statement indeed.  I suspect that the same could be said if Clifford&#8217;s friend and all of those who participate with &#8220;him&#8221; were to ride along the Hollywood freeway naked during rush hour on a Friday.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um......yes. Doesn&#039;t everyone?

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;&#8230;yes. Doesn&#8217;t everyone?</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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