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		<title>By: Risa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/29/an-empty-nest/comment-page-1/#comment-2551</link>
		<dc:creator>Risa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 05:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to Chicago, Ben!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Chicago, Ben!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Lillie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/29/an-empty-nest/comment-page-1/#comment-2550</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Lillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 04:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warm hat and gloves, check. Reliable internet connetion, not check. Moving is fun.

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warm hat and gloves, check. Reliable internet connetion, not check. Moving is fun.</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/29/an-empty-nest/comment-page-1/#comment-2549</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Collin.  You&#039;ve swayed me.  The ex-buyer for Sam&#039;s must be a good guy.  I will visit Howard&#039;s next time I&#039;m in the area!  Especially since I have trouble finding good reasonably priced Italians in the Bay Area...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Collin.  You&#8217;ve swayed me.  The ex-buyer for Sam&#8217;s must be a good guy.  I will visit Howard&#8217;s next time I&#8217;m in the area!  Especially since I have trouble finding good reasonably priced Italians in the Bay Area&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: collin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/29/an-empty-nest/comment-page-1/#comment-2548</link>
		<dc:creator>collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoAnne -- 12 years ago, Howard Silverman, of Howard&#039;s Wine Cellar was still the head wine buyer at Sam&#039;s (as, I believe, he had been since it&#039;s inception). He left shortly thereafter and opened his own store in &#039;97. Howard certainly has plenty of wine still in boxes and from what I can tell is more than happy for you to nose around. His store is far too crammed for anything to be layed out fancifully. It is somewhat charming, even if I find it a bit daunting.

But the key to why I like Howard&#039;s so much is that unlike many other smaller shops I&#039;ve been in, I&#039;ve never felt like he was unloading overpriced wines on me simply because I didn&#039;t know any better.  When I go in and ask for a $15 wine, he&#039;ll sell me a $13-15 bottle instead of trying to push a $18-20 bottle on me. And the only wines I haven&#039;t liked were wines from mixed cases I asked him to make for me. Even those, I don&#039;t think were bad wines; I usually just didn&#039;t care for the style.

Now, his store is certainly geared more towards French (especially Burgundy), Italian (especially Piedmont) and German whites. His Californian selection might suck. I wouldn&#039;t know; I&#039;m still exploring French and Italian wines.

As for prices, I seem to remember comparing prices of wines I got at Howard&#039;s with prices I could find online for Binny&#039;s or Sam&#039;s and finding that they all had identical prices. As far as I can tell, Howard doesn&#039;t seem to charge any larger markup than the big stores. It was hardly an exhaustive comparison though. But I&#039;ve never felt ripped off (for whatever that&#039;s worth).

Anyway, next time you&#039;re in Chicago, I&#039;d humbly suggest you take a couple of hours and poke around Howard&#039;s. It might be fun as an expert to engage a fellow expert in conversation about the mertis of Californian wines or whatever else happens to be on your mind (at least as far as wine goes; I don&#039;t think he&#039;d be much help with models of 40 extra dimensions). If nothing else, it&#039;s a new wine shop. Then, revisit Sam&#039;s and blog about a comparison of the two: size, quality, and value of the selection, prices, etc. That would certainly be my favorite non-physics post here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoAnne &#8212; 12 years ago, Howard Silverman, of Howard&#8217;s Wine Cellar was still the head wine buyer at Sam&#8217;s (as, I believe, he had been since it&#8217;s inception). He left shortly thereafter and opened his own store in &#8216;97. Howard certainly has plenty of wine still in boxes and from what I can tell is more than happy for you to nose around. His store is far too crammed for anything to be layed out fancifully. It is somewhat charming, even if I find it a bit daunting.</p>
<p>But the key to why I like Howard&#8217;s so much is that unlike many other smaller shops I&#8217;ve been in, I&#8217;ve never felt like he was unloading overpriced wines on me simply because I didn&#8217;t know any better.  When I go in and ask for a $15 wine, he&#8217;ll sell me a $13-15 bottle instead of trying to push a $18-20 bottle on me. And the only wines I haven&#8217;t liked were wines from mixed cases I asked him to make for me. Even those, I don&#8217;t think were bad wines; I usually just didn&#8217;t care for the style.</p>
<p>Now, his store is certainly geared more towards French (especially Burgundy), Italian (especially Piedmont) and German whites. His Californian selection might suck. I wouldn&#8217;t know; I&#8217;m still exploring French and Italian wines.</p>
<p>As for prices, I seem to remember comparing prices of wines I got at Howard&#8217;s with prices I could find online for Binny&#8217;s or Sam&#8217;s and finding that they all had identical prices. As far as I can tell, Howard doesn&#8217;t seem to charge any larger markup than the big stores. It was hardly an exhaustive comparison though. But I&#8217;ve never felt ripped off (for whatever that&#8217;s worth).</p>
<p>Anyway, next time you&#8217;re in Chicago, I&#8217;d humbly suggest you take a couple of hours and poke around Howard&#8217;s. It might be fun as an expert to engage a fellow expert in conversation about the mertis of Californian wines or whatever else happens to be on your mind (at least as far as wine goes; I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d be much help with models of 40 extra dimensions). If nothing else, it&#8217;s a new wine shop. Then, revisit Sam&#8217;s and blog about a comparison of the two: size, quality, and value of the selection, prices, etc. That would certainly be my favorite non-physics post here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collin,

Ah - that&#039;s the scoop.  One of my favorite things is nosing through a totally packed wine shop (with bottles still in boxes, not laid out fancifully on shelves), without the meddling interference of the merchant intent on recommending overpriced wines that I don&#039;t want.  But for one who is learning the wine world, it is a different story - in that case, recommendations (from all sorts of different sources, never rely on just one!) are very useful.

Sam&#039;s is (or at least used to be) the king for Claret or Burgundy and had the best prices in Chicago-land.  They sucked on CA wines.  Of course, that was 12 years ago, back in the dark ages, when I lived there.</description>
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<p>Ah &#8211; that&#8217;s the scoop.  One of my favorite things is nosing through a totally packed wine shop (with bottles still in boxes, not laid out fancifully on shelves), without the meddling interference of the merchant intent on recommending overpriced wines that I don&#8217;t want.  But for one who is learning the wine world, it is a different story &#8211; in that case, recommendations (from all sorts of different sources, never rely on just one!) are very useful.</p>
<p>Sam&#8217;s is (or at least used to be) the king for Claret or Burgundy and had the best prices in Chicago-land.  They sucked on CA wines.  Of course, that was 12 years ago, back in the dark ages, when I lived there.</p>
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		<title>By: collin</title>
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		<dc:creator>collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoAnne -- Sam&#039;s has it&#039;s place (though I like it better for beer, liquor, and cheese). Sam&#039;s, of course, is enormous, and if you know exactly what wine you want, they might be the best place to look. And yeah, Sam&#039;s is a lot of fun to browse, just to marvel at the selection. But I tend to think there&#039;s very little value to be found there.

Howard&#039;s on the other hand, is the place to go when you&#039;re willing to rely on the wine merchant to reccomend wines. Give him whatever parameters you want (price, region, age, ageability, stlye, aromas, flavors, etc.) and he&#039;ll go into his tiny shop packed to the gills and come back with the best wine he can. For a novice like me, this is fantastic. For an expert like you, I&#039;d imagine this would be even better (if only b/c sometimes I don&#039;t give quite enough info for what I want).

Anyway, I could go on, but I think I&#039;ll just stop and apologize for this little attempt to proselytize (sometimes I just can&#039;t help myself).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoAnne &#8212; Sam&#8217;s has it&#8217;s place (though I like it better for beer, liquor, and cheese). Sam&#8217;s, of course, is enormous, and if you know exactly what wine you want, they might be the best place to look. And yeah, Sam&#8217;s is a lot of fun to browse, just to marvel at the selection. But I tend to think there&#8217;s very little value to be found there.</p>
<p>Howard&#8217;s on the other hand, is the place to go when you&#8217;re willing to rely on the wine merchant to reccomend wines. Give him whatever parameters you want (price, region, age, ageability, stlye, aromas, flavors, etc.) and he&#8217;ll go into his tiny shop packed to the gills and come back with the best wine he can. For a novice like me, this is fantastic. For an expert like you, I&#8217;d imagine this would be even better (if only b/c sometimes I don&#8217;t give quite enough info for what I want).</p>
<p>Anyway, I could go on, but I think I&#8217;ll just stop and apologize for this little attempt to proselytize (sometimes I just can&#8217;t help myself).</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/29/an-empty-nest/comment-page-1/#comment-2545</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Sean said, great students will most likely succeed regardless of (or in spite of!) their advisors.  And, I would like to be clear on the following:  my post was not about claiming credit for a student&#039;s success.  I was serious about the parental-type feelings that can develop and the worries/concerns/pride one feels as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Sean said, great students will most likely succeed regardless of (or in spite of!) their advisors.  And, I would like to be clear on the following:  my post was not about claiming credit for a student&#8217;s success.  I was serious about the parental-type feelings that can develop and the worries/concerns/pride one feels as a result.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>X, I think that every advisor-student relationship is different.   But, for most advisors and most students, the advisors certainly feel a connection to their students&#039; later successes and failures.  I suspect that great students will succeed regardless of what their advisors do, but we like to claim credit anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X, I think that every advisor-student relationship is different.   But, for most advisors and most students, the advisors certainly feel a connection to their students&#8217; later successes and failures.  I suspect that great students will succeed regardless of what their advisors do, but we like to claim credit anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to check out Sam&#039;s Wine Warehouse!

Ben, forgot to ask, you do have a warm coat and gloves, right?</description>
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<p>Ben, forgot to ask, you do have a warm coat and gloves, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom R</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/29/an-empty-nest/comment-page-1/#comment-2542</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>X: I can insure you that JoA&#039;s feelings are well-matched to my own..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X: I can insure you that JoA&#8217;s feelings are well-matched to my own..</p>
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