Comments on: Survey Endorses ID in the Classroom http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/ Random samplings from a universe of ideas. Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:09:37 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: screaming-penguin.com http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2708 screaming-penguin.com Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:42:28 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2708 [...] posted by: cooper 01-Sep-2005 03:31 EDT The folks at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life and the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press conducted a poll on what is apparently one of our nation’s most pressing issues. The result: 64 percent of respondents said they were open to creationism being taught alongside evolution in public schools, while 38 percent favored replacing evolution with creationism altogether. Wow. 42% held strict creationist views, while 48% said they believed that humans had evolved over time (18% of these folks thought that evolution was guided by a supreme being). The poll surveyed 2,000 people, giving a margin of error of 2.5%. You can read about it here. It’s not just Kansas anymore. CV On that note, these are great! [...] [...] posted by: cooper 01-Sep-2005 03:31 EDT The folks at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life and the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press conducted a poll on what is apparently one of our nation’s most pressing issues. The result: 64 percent of respondents said they were open to creationism being taught alongside evolution in public schools, while 38 percent favored replacing evolution with creationism altogether. Wow. 42% held strict creationist views, while 48% said they believed that humans had evolved over time (18% of these folks thought that evolution was guided by a supreme being). The poll surveyed 2,000 people, giving a margin of error of 2.5%. You can read about it here. It’s not just Kansas anymore. CV On that note, these are great! [...]

]]> By: Risa http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2707 Risa Thu, 01 Sep 2005 05:05:13 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2707 Jim is right, as depressing as this is, it ain't new. I wrote about how these persistent these results have been last fall during my brief <a href="http://preposterousuniverse.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_preposterousuniverse_archive.html#110106605582515955" rel="nofollow">guest stint</a> at Preposterous Universe... essentially unchanged since they started asking the question. The only difference is that we now have the president and the majority leader in favor of it... Jim is right, as depressing as this is, it ain’t new. I wrote about how these persistent these results have been last fall during my brief guest stint at Preposterous Universe… essentially unchanged since they started asking the question. The only difference is that we now have the president and the majority leader in favor of it…

]]> By: JoAnne http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2706 JoAnne Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:13:36 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2706 Clifford, Great minds blog alike! Clifford, Great minds blog alike!

]]> By: Joe Bolte http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2705 Joe Bolte Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:00:06 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2705 Moshe- You read me like an open book. (An open book that's not Wald.) Moshe-
You read me like an open book. (An open book that’s not Wald.)

]]> By: Moshe Rozali http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2704 Moshe Rozali Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:47:15 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2704 Joe, Let's save the children... now that is the spirit (they are the future, aren't they?) Joe,

Let’s save the children… now that is the spirit (they are the future, aren’t they?)

]]> By: Jim G http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2703 Jim G Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:26:12 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2703 Not a surprise > Wow I can't believe how surprised you all seem to be by this survey. The results have held steady since 1982 according to the Gallup poll, says this link from the National Center for Science Education. http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/news/2004/US/724_public_view_of_creationism_and_11_19_2004.asp Not a surprise
> Wow
I can’t believe how surprised you all seem to be by this survey. The results have held steady since 1982 according to the Gallup poll, says this link from the National Center for Science Education. http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/news/2004/US/724_public_view_of_creationism_and_11_19_2004.asp

]]> By: Joe Bolte http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2702 Joe Bolte Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:21:49 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2702 "Let's be open-minded" really is irresistable. I think opponents of ID are only going to be successful if they can draw the distinction between "open-minded in the things we thoughtfully consider" and "open-minded in what we teach children." The key question scientists need to be asking people who publically flog the ID donkey is "Just how ridiculous does a theory have to be before it's not worth teaching in schools? If I had a theory that life was created by a flying spaghetti monster, should my ideas be taught in a science class along with Darwin and ID?" I think this is a good way to get people to focus in on exactly how the scientific method imposes a burden-of-proof, which burden is exaclty what is lacking in all these nebulous ID assertions. “Let’s be open-minded” really is irresistable. I think opponents of ID are only going to be successful if they can draw the distinction between “open-minded in the things we thoughtfully consider” and “open-minded in what we teach children.” The key question scientists need to be asking people who publically flog the ID donkey is “Just how ridiculous does a theory have to be before it’s not worth teaching in schools? If I had a theory that life was created by a flying spaghetti monster, should my ideas be taught in a science class along with Darwin and ID?” I think this is a good way to get people to focus in on exactly how the scientific method imposes a burden-of-proof, which burden is exaclty what is lacking in all these nebulous ID assertions.

]]> By: Moshe Rozali http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2701 Moshe Rozali Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:14:04 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2701 Actually, speaking of which Clifford, what is the political bias of the Pew research center? this usually has some bearing on the results. Actually, speaking of which Clifford, what is the political bias of the Pew research center? this usually has some bearing on the results.

]]> By: Moshe Rozali http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2700 Moshe Rozali Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:10:14 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2700 Pretty good Mark, now if this point could be made with fewer syllables... Pretty good Mark, now if this point could be made with fewer syllables…

]]> By: Clifford http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-2699 Clifford Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:10:00 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/08/31/survey-endorses-id-in-the-classroom/#comment-2699 JoAnne, as an "out-there" theorist I'm very proud that like you (much closer to real experiments) I also placed a line reporting the sample size and margin of error in my post on the same report. So there's hope for me yet, eh? -cvj JoAnne, as an “out-there” theorist I’m very proud that like you (much closer to real experiments) I also placed a line reporting the sample size and margin of error in my post on the same report. So there’s hope for me yet, eh?

-cvj

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