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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/13/funding-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-3420</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks - interesting set of comments.   After sitting through 4 days of meetings on possibly pulling the plug on the major US experiments in high energy physics (on which there are about 1500 collaborators, world-wide), I reserve the right to be melodramatic.  No, it is not the most pressing issue in the world today, but it is systemic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks &#8211; interesting set of comments.   After sitting through 4 days of meetings on possibly pulling the plug on the major US experiments in high energy physics (on which there are about 1500 collaborators, world-wide), I reserve the right to be melodramatic.  No, it is not the most pressing issue in the world today, but it is systemic.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexey Petrov</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/13/funding-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-3419</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexey Petrov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;It&#039;s not to say the Tevatron can&#039;t do very good and important
&gt;physics, but it may be that the most useful physics will be done in
&gt;smaller, more efficient, and more innovative collaborations not
&gt;operating in discovery mode.

Hmm... like BTeV? ...
It&#039;s very unfortunate that flavor physics gets &quot;voted off the island&quot; in the US HEP program...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;It&#8217;s not to say the Tevatron can&#8217;t do very good and important<br />
&gt;physics, but it may be that the most useful physics will be done in<br />
&gt;smaller, more efficient, and more innovative collaborations not<br />
&gt;operating in discovery mode.</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; like BTeV? &#8230;<br />
It&#8217;s very unfortunate that flavor physics gets &#8220;voted off the island&#8221; in the US HEP program&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Perks of the Job &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/13/funding-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-3418</link>
		<dc:creator>Perks of the Job &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It is true that we live in very difficult times for science. Funding is hard and science is under attack. Certainly, my co-bloggers and I have written about these problems many times. However, it is equally important to point out and remember the great things about life as a scientist. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It is true that we live in very difficult times for science. Funding is hard and science is under attack. Certainly, my co-bloggers and I have written about these problems many times. However, it is equally important to point out and remember the great things about life as a scientist. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: collin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/13/funding-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam -- my comment about Southwest was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek... But I will certainly defer to you on this point...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam &#8212; my comment about Southwest was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek&#8230; But I will certainly defer to you on this point&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/13/funding-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-3416</link>
		<dc:creator>LM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like you&#039;ll have to serve Charles Shaw at the next Slac Summer Institute.  I doubt if most of the grad students will notice the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like you&#8217;ll have to serve Charles Shaw at the next Slac Summer Institute.  I doubt if most of the grad students will notice the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/13/funding-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-3415</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collin:

I can&#039;t see a strong argument for the support given to the airlines after 11/9, particularly given that many of their problems predated that event. SouthWestern would, in any case, have been prevented from achieving monopoly by the purchase of competitors, wouldn&#039;t it, in the normal way? It&#039;s not as if the support achieved anything very much anyhow, if you look at the fates of those airlines since the bail-out. I don&#039;t see capitalism as a competitive environment &lt;em&gt;until&lt;/em&gt; you get really big, at which point you have an effective gun to government&#039;s head. The Chrysler bailout of long ago was a mistake too, I think. Hopefully, GM won&#039;t be the lucky recipient of a large wodge of taxpayer&#039;s money to keep them afloat, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collin:</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see a strong argument for the support given to the airlines after 11/9, particularly given that many of their problems predated that event. SouthWestern would, in any case, have been prevented from achieving monopoly by the purchase of competitors, wouldn&#8217;t it, in the normal way? It&#8217;s not as if the support achieved anything very much anyhow, if you look at the fates of those airlines since the bail-out. I don&#8217;t see capitalism as a competitive environment <em>until</em> you get really big, at which point you have an effective gun to government&#8217;s head. The Chrysler bailout of long ago was a mistake too, I think. Hopefully, GM won&#8217;t be the lucky recipient of a large wodge of taxpayer&#8217;s money to keep them afloat, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/13/funding-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-3414</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Pandora&#039;s box item, hope, is a essential of life.  It is best when it is rational.  One should not have to evade reality in order to be optimistic.  If reality doesn&#039;t provide it, then people turn to religion, astrology and the like to find cause for optimism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Pandora&#8217;s box item, hope, is a essential of life.  It is best when it is rational.  One should not have to evade reality in order to be optimistic.  If reality doesn&#8217;t provide it, then people turn to religion, astrology and the like to find cause for optimism.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arun,

Could you elaborate further?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arun,</p>
<p>Could you elaborate further?</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/13/funding-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-3412</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange things can happen to a country when its people don&#039;t think their kids will be better off than themselves....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange things can happen to a country when its people don&#8217;t think their kids will be better off than themselves&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: collin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/13/funding-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-3411</link>
		<dc:creator>collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...we have big problems...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, I don&#039;t disagree. And I do think the article you link to gets it generally right. The budget is in miserable shape, and if we&#039;re lucky Katrina will force the current administration and congress into rethinking its patently absurd pork barrel politics. Now, I have little hope of this actually happening, but the US is still (by far) the wealthiest country in the world, and there&#039;s no sign of that changing soon, Katrina or not, pork barrel politics or not, China and globalization or not. I just think posts like this need this sort of perspective. Things today might not be as good as things were last month, or before Bush arrived, but that doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re toeing the line on some cliff of great despair, sure to fall off, never to recover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;we have big problems&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t disagree. And I do think the article you link to gets it generally right. The budget is in miserable shape, and if we&#8217;re lucky Katrina will force the current administration and congress into rethinking its patently absurd pork barrel politics. Now, I have little hope of this actually happening, but the US is still (by far) the wealthiest country in the world, and there&#8217;s no sign of that changing soon, Katrina or not, pork barrel politics or not, China and globalization or not. I just think posts like this need this sort of perspective. Things today might not be as good as things were last month, or before Bush arrived, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re toeing the line on some cliff of great despair, sure to fall off, never to recover.</p>
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