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	<title>Comments on: Perks of the Job</title>
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		<title>By: Moshe Rozali</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/perks-of-the-job/comment-page-1/#comment-3524</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe Rozali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I see a big need for consultants for communication and presentation skills for scientists.&quot;

Absolutely! and in many graduate schools there is a required course, at least if one is involved with teaching. There are various other measures departments are taking (too many to list here), again in connection with improving teaching by both faculty and graduate students. I agree that generally one is not sufficiently trained in that part of the job, and has to work on intuition and instincts alone.

The image issue is more tricky business,  as other threads here discussed several times, plenty of it has to do with how the media presents science and scientists. Not sure that clipping our fingernails regularly is going to help with that, but that certainly is a good  start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I see a big need for consultants for communication and presentation skills for scientists.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely! and in many graduate schools there is a required course, at least if one is involved with teaching. There are various other measures departments are taking (too many to list here), again in connection with improving teaching by both faculty and graduate students. I agree that generally one is not sufficiently trained in that part of the job, and has to work on intuition and instincts alone.</p>
<p>The image issue is more tricky business,  as other threads here discussed several times, plenty of it has to do with how the media presents science and scientists. Not sure that clipping our fingernails regularly is going to help with that, but that certainly is a good  start.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/perks-of-the-job/comment-page-1/#comment-3523</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.... that would only work for a solo effort (you know, the edgier HBO spin-off series). I must stress again that my colleagues are not string theorists....

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230;. that would only work for a solo effort (you know, the edgier HBO spin-off series). I must stress again that my colleagues are not string theorists&#8230;.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/perks-of-the-job/comment-page-1/#comment-3522</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(pardon my &quot;french&quot;...) -cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(pardon my &#8220;french&#8221;&#8230;) -cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/perks-of-the-job/comment-page-1/#comment-3521</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloody hell, that&#039;s great! -cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody hell, that&#8217;s great! -cvj</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/perks-of-the-job/comment-page-1/#comment-3520</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about &quot;Strings and Threads&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about &#8220;Strings and Threads&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/perks-of-the-job/comment-page-1/#comment-3519</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Citrine, it did cross my mind when we were first plotting about this blog that we could be very pop-culture and go with a name like &quot;Science Eye For the Everyday Guy&quot;, or something like that (where &quot;guy&quot; is gender neutral), but I abandoned this (did not ever tell my co-conspirators about it, thank goodness, as they&#039;d have gone looking for someone else).  For those of you who don&#039;t know, this is modeled on the lifestyle/fashion makeover show &quot;Queer Eye for the Straight Guy&quot;, or whatever its called. So now I see that we can do both! We could show up in an SUV at somebody&#039;s house and do both a  science and a lifestyle/fashion makeover......excellent!... :-D

You saw it here first, folks...

Um...Producers... you know my email....

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Citrine, it did cross my mind when we were first plotting about this blog that we could be very pop-culture and go with a name like &#8220;Science Eye For the Everyday Guy&#8221;, or something like that (where &#8220;guy&#8221; is gender neutral), but I abandoned this (did not ever tell my co-conspirators about it, thank goodness, as they&#8217;d have gone looking for someone else).  For those of you who don&#8217;t know, this is modeled on the lifestyle/fashion makeover show &#8220;Queer Eye for the Straight Guy&#8221;, or whatever its called. So now I see that we can do both! We could show up in an SUV at somebody&#8217;s house and do both a  science and a lifestyle/fashion makeover&#8230;&#8230;excellent!&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You saw it here first, folks&#8230;</p>
<p>Um&#8230;Producers&#8230; you know my email&#8230;.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/perks-of-the-job/comment-page-1/#comment-3518</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s a common observations that scientists are much more concerned with substance rather than style (although there is no law of the universe proclaiming the two attributes to be mutually exclusive :) ).

It is also true that those of us who love doing science are perpetually perplexed that so few people actually share our intellectual interests. Admittedly, there are many factors that contribute to this situation. But from personal observations I claim that a considerable disincentive for H.S./ college students to get into the sciences is the &quot;image problem&quot; associated with the practitioners of scientific disciplines. Therefore, making an effort to cultivate a better image is, in my humble opinion, not a frivolity but a professional service!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s a common observations that scientists are much more concerned with substance rather than style (although there is no law of the universe proclaiming the two attributes to be mutually exclusive <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).</p>
<p>It is also true that those of us who love doing science are perpetually perplexed that so few people actually share our intellectual interests. Admittedly, there are many factors that contribute to this situation. But from personal observations I claim that a considerable disincentive for H.S./ college students to get into the sciences is the &#8220;image problem&#8221; associated with the practitioners of scientific disciplines. Therefore, making an effort to cultivate a better image is, in my humble opinion, not a frivolity but a professional service!</p>
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		<title>By: Suz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/perks-of-the-job/comment-page-1/#comment-3517</link>
		<dc:creator>Suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean and citrine re: image consultant:

Well I agree a big problem is finding a market. (If it weren&#039;t a big problem, I&#039;d seriously be doing that now.)

I think most scientists don&#039;t care enough to pay for that. There&#039;s only a handful of circumstances of which I can think where an Image/Fashion Consultant for Scientists might be important:

- when science grad students/ postdocs leave the profession for something where dress is more important. I actually discussed this with a local fashion designer, and she says she meets a lot of graduating PhD students looking for a whole new wardrobe (and advice) for their new job.
- when scientists get passed up for advancement/ tenure and image plays a role. Obviously dressing well is not a requirement for becoming a tenured professor, but I think sometimes other image issues - such as looking too young to be taken seriously - can get in the way.

Personally I don&#039;t care what other people wear so long as I don&#039;t see body parts I&#039;m not interested to see, even though I pay a lot of attention to my own dress myself.

But (and this topic deserves a blog post of its own) I think a lot of scientists really need to work on their communication skills. Even when they/we talk to a non-lay audience, many don&#039;t communicate clearly. I hate going to a talk where the speaker doesn&#039;t start by explaning the relevance of her work. Or where the speaker talks into his chin, or assumes everyone in the audience thinks about his particular topic every day.  I see a big need for consultants for communication and presentation skills for scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean and citrine re: image consultant:</p>
<p>Well I agree a big problem is finding a market. (If it weren&#8217;t a big problem, I&#8217;d seriously be doing that now.)</p>
<p>I think most scientists don&#8217;t care enough to pay for that. There&#8217;s only a handful of circumstances of which I can think where an Image/Fashion Consultant for Scientists might be important:</p>
<p>- when science grad students/ postdocs leave the profession for something where dress is more important. I actually discussed this with a local fashion designer, and she says she meets a lot of graduating PhD students looking for a whole new wardrobe (and advice) for their new job.<br />
- when scientists get passed up for advancement/ tenure and image plays a role. Obviously dressing well is not a requirement for becoming a tenured professor, but I think sometimes other image issues &#8211; such as looking too young to be taken seriously &#8211; can get in the way.</p>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t care what other people wear so long as I don&#8217;t see body parts I&#8217;m not interested to see, even though I pay a lot of attention to my own dress myself.</p>
<p>But (and this topic deserves a blog post of its own) I think a lot of scientists really need to work on their communication skills. Even when they/we talk to a non-lay audience, many don&#8217;t communicate clearly. I hate going to a talk where the speaker doesn&#8217;t start by explaning the relevance of her work. Or where the speaker talks into his chin, or assumes everyone in the audience thinks about his particular topic every day.  I see a big need for consultants for communication and presentation skills for scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Moshe Rozali</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/perks-of-the-job/comment-page-1/#comment-3516</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe Rozali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, we could always  image consultants, though to earn the big bucks the advice will have to go deeper than just basic personal hygene and  some low-level communication skills.

To Doran, I would caution being goal oriented when it  comes to graduate school. If you can afford taking a few years for self improvement, this could be great deal of fun. If you think about it as a trade school, the dues you have to pay to become a professional, you may set yourself up for some frustrating times.

best,

Moshe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, we could always  image consultants, though to earn the big bucks the advice will have to go deeper than just basic personal hygene and  some low-level communication skills.</p>
<p>To Doran, I would caution being goal oriented when it  comes to graduate school. If you can afford taking a few years for self improvement, this could be great deal of fun. If you think about it as a trade school, the dues you have to pay to become a professional, you may set yourself up for some frustrating times.</p>
<p>best,</p>
<p>Moshe</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suz and Citrine -- the image-consultant-to-scientists job is an important and underserved one, I agree.  But you need to figure out who exactly is going to pay you to do this -- the scientists themselves don&#039;t typically put too much effort into image maintenance.  Perhaps you could get a grant from one of the professional societies, or just take up contributions from students who have to take their classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suz and Citrine &#8212; the image-consultant-to-scientists job is an important and underserved one, I agree.  But you need to figure out who exactly is going to pay you to do this &#8212; the scientists themselves don&#8217;t typically put too much effort into image maintenance.  Perhaps you could get a grant from one of the professional societies, or just take up contributions from students who have to take their classes.</p>
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