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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3504</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rivero,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/09/whats-in-house.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What&#039;s in a House&lt;/a&gt;?

That&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rivero,</p>
<p><a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/09/whats-in-house.html" rel="nofollow">What&#8217;s in a House</a>?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3503</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>indrax, good point!!! :D

(Plato, could you ellaborate, here or in your weblog, about Netherlands &quot;meeting hall&quot; concept? I went lost somewhere your discourse path)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>indrax, good point!!! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Plato, could you ellaborate, here or in your weblog, about Netherlands &#8220;meeting hall&#8221; concept? I went lost somewhere your discourse path)</p>
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		<title>By: indrax</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3502</link>
		<dc:creator>indrax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alejandro Rivero:
If the travel took anywhere near 150 years, and it was a group tavelling (as on a plane) it would also have a birth rate. This should also be accounted for in the equations.

I don&#039;t think very many babies are born in airplanes. Although perhaps it would be more fair to count conceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alejandro Rivero:<br />
If the travel took anywhere near 150 years, and it was a group tavelling (as on a plane) it would also have a birth rate. This should also be accounted for in the equations.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think very many babies are born in airplanes. Although perhaps it would be more fair to count conceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3501</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In a humbler perspective, during a speech on free software someone pointed out to me that modern lathes, millers, shapers and general drill tools are automatised and that they use pretty standard formats to describe the pieces. &lt;b&gt;But companies keep closed the information on tolerances in order to fight third-party production of parts.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;Industrial designs&quot; are still held in context of copyright or trade marks, yet I think the advancement of anything becoming &quot;quite common&quot; has it&#039;s reproductive value eventually found in the cheapest production wise somewhere. Hate to be undercut in original design?

I have seen these computerized lathes before, just not with microprocessing abilites. Very interesting.

The &#039;meeting hall&quot; is a interesting version of native design? The Netherlands seems to have more then just &lt;a href=&quot;http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1999/thooft-award.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gerard t&#039; Hooft&lt;/a&gt; to consider in their contributions to societies.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In a humbler perspective, during a speech on free software someone pointed out to me that modern lathes, millers, shapers and general drill tools are automatised and that they use pretty standard formats to describe the pieces. <b>But companies keep closed the information on tolerances in order to fight third-party production of parts.</b></i></p>
<p>&#8220;Industrial designs&#8221; are still held in context of copyright or trade marks, yet I think the advancement of anything becoming &#8220;quite common&#8221; has it&#8217;s reproductive value eventually found in the cheapest production wise somewhere. Hate to be undercut in original design?</p>
<p>I have seen these computerized lathes before, just not with microprocessing abilites. Very interesting.</p>
<p>The &#8216;meeting hall&#8221; is a interesting version of native design? The Netherlands seems to have more then just <a href="http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1999/thooft-award.jpg" rel="nofollow">Gerard t&#8217; Hooft</a> to consider in their contributions to societies.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3500</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Plato. The &quot;molecular feeder&quot;, or &quot;personal fabricator&quot; generalising the &quot;personal computer&quot; is perhaps the ultimate goal behind the &lt;a href=&quot;http://cba.mit.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Center For Bits and Atoms&lt;/a&gt; and their &lt;a href=&quot;http://fab.cba.mit.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fab Labs&lt;/a&gt;. In a humbler perspective, during a &lt;a href=&quot;http://dftuz.unizar.es/~rivero/polit/H_IMG_0405.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;speech on free software&lt;/a&gt; someone pointed out to me that modern lathes, millers, shapers and  general drill tools are automatised and that they use pretty standard formats to describe the pieces. But companies keep closed the information on tolerances in order to fight third-party production of parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Plato. The &#8220;molecular feeder&#8221;, or &#8220;personal fabricator&#8221; generalising the &#8220;personal computer&#8221; is perhaps the ultimate goal behind the <a href="http://cba.mit.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center For Bits and Atoms</a> and their <a href="http://fab.cba.mit.edu/" rel="nofollow">Fab Labs</a>. In a humbler perspective, during a <a href="http://dftuz.unizar.es/~rivero/polit/H_IMG_0405.JPG" rel="nofollow">speech on free software</a> someone pointed out to me that modern lathes, millers, shapers and  general drill tools are automatised and that they use pretty standard formats to describe the pieces. But companies keep closed the information on tolerances in order to fight third-party production of parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3499</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For instance, I would expect that the Open/Free Software movement should easily extend into programmable manufacturing machines. Free Wheels anf gears, downloadable from internet&lt;/i&gt;

Ah, yes I see. I once dreamed of a molecular feeder. Using your idea then, we could manufacture?:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For instance, I would expect that the Open/Free Software movement should easily extend into programmable manufacturing machines. Free Wheels anf gears, downloadable from internet</i></p>
<p>Ah, yes I see. I once dreamed of a molecular feeder. Using your idea then, we could manufacture?:)</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3498</link>
		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Plato! My nostalgia of the &quot;ole way&quot; is not about the old technologies by themselves, but about an old motivational way we have lost. It is probably happening now for some time, because I remember about a chemistry playset manufactured by a company unrelated to toy industry (they are providers od plastic for General Motors); my guess is that they made the playset as a sort of compensation... as a way of &lt;i&gt;resistance&lt;/i&gt;.

Also, it is not exactly that the workshops have dissapeared, it is that they concentrated and moved out the city. A modern solution could be to install university AND secondary school in the same areas that factories and workshops, so al least students would interact natutally with real producers during rest time at the pub. For instance, I would expect that the Open/Free Software movement should easily extend into programmable manufacturing machines.  Free Wheels anf gears, downloadable from internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Plato! My nostalgia of the &#8220;ole way&#8221; is not about the old technologies by themselves, but about an old motivational way we have lost. It is probably happening now for some time, because I remember about a chemistry playset manufactured by a company unrelated to toy industry (they are providers od plastic for General Motors); my guess is that they made the playset as a sort of compensation&#8230; as a way of <i>resistance</i>.</p>
<p>Also, it is not exactly that the workshops have dissapeared, it is that they concentrated and moved out the city. A modern solution could be to install university AND secondary school in the same areas that factories and workshops, so al least students would interact natutally with real producers during rest time at the pub. For instance, I would expect that the Open/Free Software movement should easily extend into programmable manufacturing machines.  Free Wheels anf gears, downloadable from internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3497</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When I was younger workshops were in the center of the cities. We kids wandered around doors into the local coffee roaster, got to peer into chemist backoffice, keep looking the sparks from the soldering tool or ckecking how a gear wheel was fitted into its place in a printing mechanism. No wonder why now we need to sell science as if we were, er, car resellers.&lt;/i&gt;

This is what happens with technolgoical advancements.

 Trying to keep pace, and seeing in new ways with modern controls, the hands on, takes us away from the intuitive developement that came from doing things the &quot;ole way&quot;:)

While the nostalgia is strong in the heart of our memories, resistance to such changes takes us away from the reality of change?

While these things might now sit in the archives, we need the &quot;older folk&quot; to remind us sometimes of the way it used to be, to realize, that there are always natural processes to be considered even while we are dismayed with such advances.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When I was younger workshops were in the center of the cities. We kids wandered around doors into the local coffee roaster, got to peer into chemist backoffice, keep looking the sparks from the soldering tool or ckecking how a gear wheel was fitted into its place in a printing mechanism. No wonder why now we need to sell science as if we were, er, car resellers.</i></p>
<p>This is what happens with technolgoical advancements.</p>
<p> Trying to keep pace, and seeing in new ways with modern controls, the hands on, takes us away from the intuitive developement that came from doing things the &#8220;ole way&#8221;:)</p>
<p>While the nostalgia is strong in the heart of our memories, resistance to such changes takes us away from the reality of change?</p>
<p>While these things might now sit in the archives, we need the &#8220;older folk&#8221; to remind us sometimes of the way it used to be, to realize, that there are always natural processes to be considered even while we are dismayed with such advances.:)</p>
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		<title>By: AndyS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are sitting in coach on a transatlantic flight (especially from the west coast of the US to, say, Paris) I would claim you are a much higher risk for suicide -- add crying babies and the risk is for homocide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are sitting in coach on a transatlantic flight (especially from the west coast of the US to, say, Paris) I would claim you are a much higher risk for suicide &#8212; add crying babies and the risk is for homocide.</p>
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		<title>By: macho</title>
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		<dc:creator>macho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the numbers with me but several years ago I also got tired of hearing that cars were much more dangerous than planes with nothing to back up this claim. I looked at this in some detail, digging through the statisics on automobile fatalities, and found that since I am not a male between the ages of 18 and 25, driving late at night while drunk (or riding with a drunk driver) my odds of being killed in a car crash plummetted drastically.  (I allowed for the possibility of being hit by a drunk driver in the other car.) The trick was in comparing miles or time of travel in a car with either miles or time in flight.  A miles comparison gave me roughly even odds, but I don&#039;t think this is the best way to calculate the relative safety since most plane crashes occur within a short window of time around take-off and landing, so that your odds of dying on a long vs short plane flight do not differ significantly.  (I also did not include any planes other than commercial airlines).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the numbers with me but several years ago I also got tired of hearing that cars were much more dangerous than planes with nothing to back up this claim. I looked at this in some detail, digging through the statisics on automobile fatalities, and found that since I am not a male between the ages of 18 and 25, driving late at night while drunk (or riding with a drunk driver) my odds of being killed in a car crash plummetted drastically.  (I allowed for the possibility of being hit by a drunk driver in the other car.) The trick was in comparing miles or time of travel in a car with either miles or time in flight.  A miles comparison gave me roughly even odds, but I don&#8217;t think this is the best way to calculate the relative safety since most plane crashes occur within a short window of time around take-off and landing, so that your odds of dying on a long vs short plane flight do not differ significantly.  (I also did not include any planes other than commercial airlines).</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another quickfact: if automovile crashes do for a 1.7% of the yearly death toll (just estimating, I haven got actual XXIth century data) than a average driving time of 25 minutes/day should met the statistics even in the case of perfect conduction, just because you are living a 1.7% of your life inside the car.

The real problems with cars are beyond death toll; it is about the whole economics around them, which we need to keep fueling (indeed) in order to keep an stable civilisation. Think not only about petrol &amp; gas, but also the car market, the factories, the repair workshops etc... what percentage of a countrie economy comes directly from car transportation? A lot of countries even get a significant tax income straight from fuel taxes.

My second problem (well, to me the first one) against cars and planes and mystic technology in general is that people is not encouraged to understand the physics and mechanics of the devices they are using daily. This was part of the motivation for my &lt;a href=&quot;http://dftuz.unizar.es/~rivero/bici/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;railbike project&lt;/a&gt; I mentioned recently. But generically I abominate of these car companies whose ads speak of technology and whose engines are black boxes for specialised personal only. They even use propietary or undisclosed computer interfaces. For our security, sure.  Ignorance=security, a classical equation.

When I was younger workshops were in the center of the cities. We kids wandered around doors into the local coffee roaster, got to peer into chemist backoffice,  keep looking the sparks from the soldering tool or ckecking how a gear wheel was fitted into its place in a printing mechanism. No wonder why now we need to sell science as if we were, er, car resellers.

A third problem about cars is that they can emphatise individualism and competition. But well, that is another history. Or another rant, which I let for other contributors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another quickfact: if automovile crashes do for a 1.7% of the yearly death toll (just estimating, I haven got actual XXIth century data) than a average driving time of 25 minutes/day should met the statistics even in the case of perfect conduction, just because you are living a 1.7% of your life inside the car.</p>
<p>The real problems with cars are beyond death toll; it is about the whole economics around them, which we need to keep fueling (indeed) in order to keep an stable civilisation. Think not only about petrol &amp; gas, but also the car market, the factories, the repair workshops etc&#8230; what percentage of a countrie economy comes directly from car transportation? A lot of countries even get a significant tax income straight from fuel taxes.</p>
<p>My second problem (well, to me the first one) against cars and planes and mystic technology in general is that people is not encouraged to understand the physics and mechanics of the devices they are using daily. This was part of the motivation for my <a href="http://dftuz.unizar.es/~rivero/bici/" rel="nofollow">railbike project</a> I mentioned recently. But generically I abominate of these car companies whose ads speak of technology and whose engines are black boxes for specialised personal only. They even use propietary or undisclosed computer interfaces. For our security, sure.  Ignorance=security, a classical equation.</p>
<p>When I was younger workshops were in the center of the cities. We kids wandered around doors into the local coffee roaster, got to peer into chemist backoffice,  keep looking the sparks from the soldering tool or ckecking how a gear wheel was fitted into its place in a printing mechanism. No wonder why now we need to sell science as if we were, er, car resellers.</p>
<p>A third problem about cars is that they can emphatise individualism and competition. But well, that is another history. Or another rant, which I let for other contributors.</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Any single travel taking 150 years has, independently of the transportation system, a death rate of 100%. This should be accounted in the equations somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Any single travel taking 150 years has, independently of the transportation system, a death rate of 100%. This should be accounted in the equations somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t bother.  Everyone knows the best espresso in Chicago is already at the U of C (in Ryerson, across the hall from the barn).

anon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t bother.  Everyone knows the best espresso in Chicago is already at the U of C (in Ryerson, across the hall from the barn).</p>
<p>anon</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Palm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Palm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nobody plans their trip by saying &quot;I would like to spend x hours traveling today&quot;.

Perhaps not, but you might say &quot;This trip would take 36 hours so I skip it&quot;. The amount of time we spend traveling remains more or less constant in all cultures. People who walk may travel a shorter distance than those who fly, but on average they don&#039;t spend more time doing it. This isn&#039;t really that strange, who would take a vacation in Bermuda if it took a month just to get there? If people didn&#039;t have cars you would have denser population so that people had to travel a shorter distance to work. Invent a faster way of traveling and people will travel further. Thus the per hour figure of risk is just as relevant as the per km one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nobody plans their trip by saying &#8220;I would like to spend x hours traveling today&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps not, but you might say &#8220;This trip would take 36 hours so I skip it&#8221;. The amount of time we spend traveling remains more or less constant in all cultures. People who walk may travel a shorter distance than those who fly, but on average they don&#8217;t spend more time doing it. This isn&#8217;t really that strange, who would take a vacation in Bermuda if it took a month just to get there? If people didn&#8217;t have cars you would have denser population so that people had to travel a shorter distance to work. Invent a faster way of traveling and people will travel further. Thus the per hour figure of risk is just as relevant as the per km one.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I forgot: Most car accidents happen close to your home and not on long distance travel. So you should take the plane to work and the car for cross country travel. Hmm. Except that planes crash during start and landing and rarely mid-flight. So, these comarisons might be even more difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I forgot: Most car accidents happen close to your home and not on long distance travel. So you should take the plane to work and the car for cross country travel. Hmm. Except that planes crash during start and landing and rarely mid-flight. So, these comarisons might be even more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about you, but for me the choice usually isn&#039;t &quot;What do I prefere: Sitting one hour in the car or one hour in the plane (or train for that matter)?&quot;  I don&#039;t do this for the comfy seats but because I want to get to X. My car being old, pure travel time in the car is much longer than by plane. So you should compare deaths per km (or mile) rather then per hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but for me the choice usually isn&#8217;t &#8220;What do I prefere: Sitting one hour in the car or one hour in the plane (or train for that matter)?&#8221;  I don&#8217;t do this for the comfy seats but because I want to get to X. My car being old, pure travel time in the car is much longer than by plane. So you should compare deaths per km (or mile) rather then per hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Lillie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Lillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or am I just trying to talk myself into something?&quot;

That depends: is this machine going in your house, or your office? If it&#039;s the later you &lt;i&gt;absolutely&lt;/i&gt; should buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or am I just trying to talk myself into something?&#8221;</p>
<p>That depends: is this machine going in your house, or your office? If it&#8217;s the later you <i>absolutely</i> should buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, more people die in car crashes than in airplane crashes. But how many of those 40,000 a year are drunk drivers (or passengers of a drunk driver); sleep-deprived drivers; poor drivers (teenagers or senile); risk-takers (driving during a snowstorm or speeding) etc.
 And sure there&#039;s always that rare story of the family of 5 innocently taking a drive to grandma&#039;s who get flattened by a garbage truck, but I would guess that a careful driver who always wears his seat-belt has less of a chance of dying in a car crash than we&#039;re led to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, more people die in car crashes than in airplane crashes. But how many of those 40,000 a year are drunk drivers (or passengers of a drunk driver); sleep-deprived drivers; poor drivers (teenagers or senile); risk-takers (driving during a snowstorm or speeding) etc.<br />
 And sure there&#8217;s always that rare story of the family of 5 innocently taking a drive to grandma&#8217;s who get flattened by a garbage truck, but I would guess that a careful driver who always wears his seat-belt has less of a chance of dying in a car crash than we&#8217;re led to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: The Anti-Fyodor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3486</link>
		<dc:creator>The Anti-Fyodor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So it&#039;s the *kids* who are at-risk&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, it&#039;s the kids who are at risk of being raised by incompetent mothers.


&lt;i&gt;not the people who get mugged or whose homes get burglarized&lt;/i&gt;

Nobody said that those people weren&#039;t ALSO at risk (of something else).  *cough cough straw man cough*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So it&#8217;s the *kids* who are at-risk</i></p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s the kids who are at risk of being raised by incompetent mothers.</p>
<p><i>not the people who get mugged or whose homes get burglarized</i></p>
<p>Nobody said that those people weren&#8217;t ALSO at risk (of something else).  *cough cough straw man cough*</p>
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		<title>By: Fyodor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/14/planes-vs-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-3485</link>
		<dc:creator>Fyodor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;these at-risk kids are exactly the people likely to commit crimes&quot;

Oh God, that has got to be the *ultimate* PC quote. So it&#039;s the *kids* who are at-risk, not the people who get mugged or whose homes get burglarized? That&#039;s a classic, it really is.

Meanwhile, if aborting these pieces of garbage in proto-human shape is what is reducing crime rates, then I think we have finally found a way of selling abortion rights to the Right. In fact, I hope that the Bush administration will start offering incentives for abortion to...ummm...&quot;at-risk&quot; pregnant women ASAP. &quot;Abortion Rights NOW! --- it&#039;s a matter of Law and Order!&quot; Trouble is, though, that we will get liberals opposing abortion rights on the grounds that it discriminates against the &quot;at-risk&quot;......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;these at-risk kids are exactly the people likely to commit crimes&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh God, that has got to be the *ultimate* PC quote. So it&#8217;s the *kids* who are at-risk, not the people who get mugged or whose homes get burglarized? That&#8217;s a classic, it really is.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, if aborting these pieces of garbage in proto-human shape is what is reducing crime rates, then I think we have finally found a way of selling abortion rights to the Right. In fact, I hope that the Bush administration will start offering incentives for abortion to&#8230;ummm&#8230;&#8221;at-risk&#8221; pregnant women ASAP. &#8220;Abortion Rights NOW! &#8212; it&#8217;s a matter of Law and Order!&#8221; Trouble is, though, that we will get liberals opposing abortion rights on the grounds that it discriminates against the &#8220;at-risk&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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