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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/16/power-dressing/comment-page-1/#comment-3596</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t going to post again to this thread, on the principle of not beating a dead horse, but since people are still adding to it I do want to make it clear that I&#039;m not trying to be an apologist either for sloppy reporting or the dumbing down of science education. Quite the opposite. My question wasn&#039;t whether kindergarteners can understand concepts such as &quot;energy&quot; and &quot;flow,&quot; but rather, how to teach these concepts. If not by demonstration or analogy, how? Children aren&#039;t stupid, and in the right circumstances they have a capacity to learn, imagine, and invent that puts the average adult to shame, but their ability to abstract is still developing. The smartest kids often misunderstand abstract concepts in amazingly creative ways. That&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t going to post again to this thread, on the principle of not beating a dead horse, but since people are still adding to it I do want to make it clear that I&#8217;m not trying to be an apologist either for sloppy reporting or the dumbing down of science education. Quite the opposite. My question wasn&#8217;t whether kindergarteners can understand concepts such as &#8220;energy&#8221; and &#8220;flow,&#8221; but rather, how to teach these concepts. If not by demonstration or analogy, how? Children aren&#8217;t stupid, and in the right circumstances they have a capacity to learn, imagine, and invent that puts the average adult to shame, but their ability to abstract is still developing. The smartest kids often misunderstand abstract concepts in amazingly creative ways. That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: NoJoy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/16/power-dressing/comment-page-1/#comment-3595</link>
		<dc:creator>NoJoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the post, Clifford mentions polyester, so I well be telling a (possibly apocryphal) story to which he was already alluding. When I was in college, a story ran in the Weekly World News about a man who was electrocuted while removing his polyester clothing from the dryer. The story reported a 40,000-volt shock. Reaction on campus was split. When SEs (science and engineering students) heard the story, they replied, &quot;Yeah, but how many amps?&quot; When academs (liberal arts students) heard the story, they replied, &quot;That&#039;s what you get for wearing polyester.&quot;

And Clifford, is your last comment a general safety warning, or a reference to the similar &quot;heavy boots&quot; story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the post, Clifford mentions polyester, so I well be telling a (possibly apocryphal) story to which he was already alluding. When I was in college, a story ran in the Weekly World News about a man who was electrocuted while removing his polyester clothing from the dryer. The story reported a 40,000-volt shock. Reaction on campus was split. When SEs (science and engineering students) heard the story, they replied, &#8220;Yeah, but how many amps?&#8221; When academs (liberal arts students) heard the story, they replied, &#8220;That&#8217;s what you get for wearing polyester.&#8221;</p>
<p>And Clifford, is your last comment a general safety warning, or a reference to the similar &#8220;heavy boots&#8221; story?</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and boots. Don&#039;t forget the boots.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and boots. Don&#8217;t forget the boots.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/16/power-dressing/comment-page-1/#comment-3593</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So watch out for those deadly amps, folks.&quot;

Oh no!!! My next physics exam is going to be &lt;i&gt;full&lt;/i&gt; of amps. Should I scribble them out and replace them with coulombs per second? Or should I just wear heavy rubber gloves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So watch out for those deadly amps, folks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh no!!! My next physics exam is going to be <i>full</i> of amps. Should I scribble them out and replace them with coulombs per second? Or should I just wear heavy rubber gloves?</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet. Nope. You just introduced a &lt;em&gt;major&lt;/em&gt; red herring. Nowhere in my discussion did I ask that the editors or journalist stop and explain electricity in their article! That&#039;s ridiculous! I just asked that they consider using the terms and concepts properly, that&#039;s all. That does not take paragraphs to get right. To use the grammar analogy (carefully), we do not ask editors or writers to write a small essay explaining the rules of grammar in every article, we just ask them to use good practice and use those rules properly when writing sentences. Simple really.

Finally, I think you are not giving your five year old friends the credit they deserve. They can understand the difference between &quot;flow&quot; and &quot;energy&quot;, and hence &quot;current&quot; and &quot;voltage&quot;. I betcha!

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet. Nope. You just introduced a <em>major</em> red herring. Nowhere in my discussion did I ask that the editors or journalist stop and explain electricity in their article! That&#8217;s ridiculous! I just asked that they consider using the terms and concepts properly, that&#8217;s all. That does not take paragraphs to get right. To use the grammar analogy (carefully), we do not ask editors or writers to write a small essay explaining the rules of grammar in every article, we just ask them to use good practice and use those rules properly when writing sentences. Simple really.</p>
<p>Finally, I think you are not giving your five year old friends the credit they deserve. They can understand the difference between &#8220;flow&#8221; and &#8220;energy&#8221;, and hence &#8220;current&#8221; and &#8220;voltage&#8221;. I betcha!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/16/power-dressing/comment-page-1/#comment-3591</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford,

Nope, I&#039;m not going to beat the beJesus out of you -- that was actually very clear, and made a lot more sense than the analogies that people have been using to explain things. The analogies are a useful shortcut, though, if you don&#039;t want to get into the specific details. Anyway, thanks. Notice, though, that it took you several paragraphs. If a reporter brought it in as part of a funny news story about a guy&#039;s suit, the average editor would red-pencil the whole thing. The reporter would have to either avoid technical terms altogether (which would mean paraphrasing the fire officials who were using the terms incorrectly), or find a two-sentence way of explaining the terms. Things would be very different if a reporter were working on a story about some new kind of battery, and that was the point of the story, and the reporter had a couple of days to work on it.

About a year ago I was writing something about tests that a person might undergo as part of a diagnostic process (I can&#039;t remember what it was), and one of the possible tests was an MRI. I just had a few lines, but I wanted to make it as accurate as possible, and besides, I&#039;d never understood how MRIs work, and I was curious. So I did some research and even though I ended up understanding MRI technology a bit better (I still find it somewhat mystifying), it didn&#039;t help me at all with what I had to write, because of the space constraints I had -- all I could really say was that an MRI is a 3-D imaging test that uses a strong magnet. The main topic of the document was not MRI, and I just couldn&#039;t spend much space on it; you might say that it would still be a good thing for the reader to learn more about MRI, but I would have to reply that saying much more about it would be a distraction from the main topic I&#039;m trying to inform them about. Journalists write under similar space and topic constraints, and a lot more time pressure.

I basically agree with you about science education, but I tried to imagine how to introduce these topics to the very bright 5-year-old son of a friend of mine, and I decided that at that level of cognitive development I would have to work through demonstration and analogy -- which doesn&#039;t negate what you&#039;ve said about education, just underscores the importance of knowing your audience.

One last observation: even before all of this, if someone had asked me I would probably have said that &quot;give off Voltage&quot; didn&#039;t make sense, but I couldn&#039;t have explained why, except to say (maybe) that voltage is a property of the object itself. It&#039;s possible to know how words are used without understanding the concepts underlying them.

Now, I am going to use various electrical devices to bake a pie and do some laundry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford,</p>
<p>Nope, I&#8217;m not going to beat the beJesus out of you &#8212; that was actually very clear, and made a lot more sense than the analogies that people have been using to explain things. The analogies are a useful shortcut, though, if you don&#8217;t want to get into the specific details. Anyway, thanks. Notice, though, that it took you several paragraphs. If a reporter brought it in as part of a funny news story about a guy&#8217;s suit, the average editor would red-pencil the whole thing. The reporter would have to either avoid technical terms altogether (which would mean paraphrasing the fire officials who were using the terms incorrectly), or find a two-sentence way of explaining the terms. Things would be very different if a reporter were working on a story about some new kind of battery, and that was the point of the story, and the reporter had a couple of days to work on it.</p>
<p>About a year ago I was writing something about tests that a person might undergo as part of a diagnostic process (I can&#8217;t remember what it was), and one of the possible tests was an MRI. I just had a few lines, but I wanted to make it as accurate as possible, and besides, I&#8217;d never understood how MRIs work, and I was curious. So I did some research and even though I ended up understanding MRI technology a bit better (I still find it somewhat mystifying), it didn&#8217;t help me at all with what I had to write, because of the space constraints I had &#8212; all I could really say was that an MRI is a 3-D imaging test that uses a strong magnet. The main topic of the document was not MRI, and I just couldn&#8217;t spend much space on it; you might say that it would still be a good thing for the reader to learn more about MRI, but I would have to reply that saying much more about it would be a distraction from the main topic I&#8217;m trying to inform them about. Journalists write under similar space and topic constraints, and a lot more time pressure.</p>
<p>I basically agree with you about science education, but I tried to imagine how to introduce these topics to the very bright 5-year-old son of a friend of mine, and I decided that at that level of cognitive development I would have to work through demonstration and analogy &#8212; which doesn&#8217;t negate what you&#8217;ve said about education, just underscores the importance of knowing your audience.</p>
<p>One last observation: even before all of this, if someone had asked me I would probably have said that &#8220;give off Voltage&#8221; didn&#8217;t make sense, but I couldn&#8217;t have explained why, except to say (maybe) that voltage is a property of the object itself. It&#8217;s possible to know how words are used without understanding the concepts underlying them.</p>
<p>Now, I am going to use various electrical devices to bake a pie and do some laundry.</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/16/power-dressing/comment-page-1/#comment-3590</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, you&#039;re kidding about that &quot;it&#039;s/its&quot; comment, right? I see errors of that sort, and much more serious grammar and usage errors, in newspapers all the time. I don&#039;t even react any more, unless it&#039;s something really egregious, such as this true SF Chronicle headline -- headline! -- from a few years ago: &quot;20 Years Later, Insult Still Wrangles.&quot; My sister and I spent a few minutes laughing and scolding over that one, but neither of us wrote to the paper, and I doubt anybody else did, either. Sometimes when I find myself in a group of writers and editors, we spend hours griping about our pet peeves, but aside from doing our best in the trenches, there&#039;s little to do. Not much can be accomplished just by complaining. I&#039;m one of the few people I know who didn&#039;t think much of &quot;Eat Shoots and Leaves,&quot; especially since the author is far from sinless herself.

I rarely correct people&#039;s grammar any more, for a few reasons.

1. A lot of errors are not the result of ignorance, or even sloppiness, but just the inevitable imperfection of human behavior. I&#039;ve noticed a few grammatical errors in posts on this blog, for example, but I can tell from the general quality of the writing here that they are the kinds of errors any good writer makes from time to time, and that even good editors occasionally let slip through (I have found typos in the New Yorker, which is famed for the excellence of its editing). I will not swear that there are no grammatical errors or spelling errors in this comment.

2. People are taught all sorts of bad grammar in elementary school, so that they insist that it&#039;s incorrect to start a sentence with &quot;but&quot; or &quot;and,&quot; or end a sentence with a preposition -- neither of which is a hard-and-fast rule -- and absolutely will not budge, even if you show them a passage in a good grammar reference that supports your argument (the Chicago Manual of Style has a particularly withering critique of these &quot;rules&quot;). Yet these same people create howlingingly funny dangling modifiers and repeatedly confuse subjective and objective pronouns. It is virtually impossible to convince people that they&#039;re, especially if they&#039;re just doing what their 3rd grade teacher taught them. I spend a lot of time talking to doctors who are reviewing manuscripts I&#039;ve written, and they&#039;re always trying to &quot;correct&quot; my grammar. Since I need to be polite, I can&#039;t argue with them -- it is very aggravating.

3. Usage conventions vary: it would be wrong for me to spell &quot;program&quot; with an extra &quot;me&quot; tacked onto the end, or use &quot;s&quot; instead of &quot;c&quot; or &quot;z&quot; in words like &quot;practice&quot; and &quot;patronize,&quot; or spell &quot;favor&quot; with a &quot;u,&quot; but perfectly correct for Clifford to do so, since he uses British spelling; it would therefore be rude and ignorant of me to &quot;correct&quot; him or vice versa. Punctuation conventions also vary in British and American usage.

4. Usage changes. I still remember the first time I heard the word &quot;proactive.&quot; It was the fall of 1985, and I remember my immediate &quot;that&#039;s not a word&quot; reaction. But alas, ugly and redundant as it is, &quot;proactive&quot; has entered the language, and these days I barely flinch when I hear it. And that&#039;s pretty much the way it has to be: language changes, meanings change, ideas about what is and is not &quot;good style&quot; change, and what is or is not &quot;good style&quot; depends on what you&#039;re writing and who the audience is. I happen to be a fan of long, intricate, architecturally complex 19th-century sentences, but when I&#039;m writing a technical document I try to keep my sentences as straight-forward as possible, because the point is not beauty, but clarity (which can be beautiful in itself).

By now you may have concluded that I&#039;m hopelessly relativist and wishy-washy, but that would be incorrect. Rules of grammar and style exist for a good reason: to make written communication possible, and ideally pleasurable. Without some agreement on how a written English sentence is put together, writing and reading become confusing, difficult, and ultimately impossible. The challenge is to write well and read intelligently while keeping in mind that language is open-ended and constantly changing. The thing that bothers me about how writing is taught is not that people aren&#039;t learning the rules right, but that people aren&#039;t learning why the rules matter, and why they should care about them -- which brings me to a point similar to the one that Clifford has been trying to make about the way that science should be taught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you&#8217;re kidding about that &#8220;it&#8217;s/its&#8221; comment, right? I see errors of that sort, and much more serious grammar and usage errors, in newspapers all the time. I don&#8217;t even react any more, unless it&#8217;s something really egregious, such as this true SF Chronicle headline &#8212; headline! &#8212; from a few years ago: &#8220;20 Years Later, Insult Still Wrangles.&#8221; My sister and I spent a few minutes laughing and scolding over that one, but neither of us wrote to the paper, and I doubt anybody else did, either. Sometimes when I find myself in a group of writers and editors, we spend hours griping about our pet peeves, but aside from doing our best in the trenches, there&#8217;s little to do. Not much can be accomplished just by complaining. I&#8217;m one of the few people I know who didn&#8217;t think much of &#8220;Eat Shoots and Leaves,&#8221; especially since the author is far from sinless herself.</p>
<p>I rarely correct people&#8217;s grammar any more, for a few reasons.</p>
<p>1. A lot of errors are not the result of ignorance, or even sloppiness, but just the inevitable imperfection of human behavior. I&#8217;ve noticed a few grammatical errors in posts on this blog, for example, but I can tell from the general quality of the writing here that they are the kinds of errors any good writer makes from time to time, and that even good editors occasionally let slip through (I have found typos in the New Yorker, which is famed for the excellence of its editing). I will not swear that there are no grammatical errors or spelling errors in this comment.</p>
<p>2. People are taught all sorts of bad grammar in elementary school, so that they insist that it&#8217;s incorrect to start a sentence with &#8220;but&#8221; or &#8220;and,&#8221; or end a sentence with a preposition &#8212; neither of which is a hard-and-fast rule &#8212; and absolutely will not budge, even if you show them a passage in a good grammar reference that supports your argument (the Chicago Manual of Style has a particularly withering critique of these &#8220;rules&#8221;). Yet these same people create howlingingly funny dangling modifiers and repeatedly confuse subjective and objective pronouns. It is virtually impossible to convince people that they&#8217;re, especially if they&#8217;re just doing what their 3rd grade teacher taught them. I spend a lot of time talking to doctors who are reviewing manuscripts I&#8217;ve written, and they&#8217;re always trying to &#8220;correct&#8221; my grammar. Since I need to be polite, I can&#8217;t argue with them &#8212; it is very aggravating.</p>
<p>3. Usage conventions vary: it would be wrong for me to spell &#8220;program&#8221; with an extra &#8220;me&#8221; tacked onto the end, or use &#8220;s&#8221; instead of &#8220;c&#8221; or &#8220;z&#8221; in words like &#8220;practice&#8221; and &#8220;patronize,&#8221; or spell &#8220;favor&#8221; with a &#8220;u,&#8221; but perfectly correct for Clifford to do so, since he uses British spelling; it would therefore be rude and ignorant of me to &#8220;correct&#8221; him or vice versa. Punctuation conventions also vary in British and American usage.</p>
<p>4. Usage changes. I still remember the first time I heard the word &#8220;proactive.&#8221; It was the fall of 1985, and I remember my immediate &#8220;that&#8217;s not a word&#8221; reaction. But alas, ugly and redundant as it is, &#8220;proactive&#8221; has entered the language, and these days I barely flinch when I hear it. And that&#8217;s pretty much the way it has to be: language changes, meanings change, ideas about what is and is not &#8220;good style&#8221; change, and what is or is not &#8220;good style&#8221; depends on what you&#8217;re writing and who the audience is. I happen to be a fan of long, intricate, architecturally complex 19th-century sentences, but when I&#8217;m writing a technical document I try to keep my sentences as straight-forward as possible, because the point is not beauty, but clarity (which can be beautiful in itself).</p>
<p>By now you may have concluded that I&#8217;m hopelessly relativist and wishy-washy, but that would be incorrect. Rules of grammar and style exist for a good reason: to make written communication possible, and ideally pleasurable. Without some agreement on how a written English sentence is put together, writing and reading become confusing, difficult, and ultimately impossible. The challenge is to write well and read intelligently while keeping in mind that language is open-ended and constantly changing. The thing that bothers me about how writing is taught is not that people aren&#8217;t learning the rules right, but that people aren&#8217;t learning why the rules matter, and why they should care about them &#8212; which brings me to a point similar to the one that Clifford has been trying to make about the way that science should be taught.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.&lt;b&gt;Sean&lt;/b&gt;:&lt;i&gt;which characterizes the potential &quot;oomph&quot; in the flow&lt;/i&gt;

2.&lt;b&gt;citrine&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The peak of a tall mountain has a large gravitational potential relative to the bottom.&lt;/i&gt;

3.&lt;b&gt;Arun&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;powerwasher jet would be a high voltage, low current flow,

water spilling over the top of a New Orleans levee would be low voltage, high current flow;

water at the turbine in a hydreelectric dam such as at
http://users.owt.com/chubbard/gcdam/html/hydro.html
would be high voltage, high current,

and your kitchen faucet would be a low voltage, low current flow.&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry I couldn&#039;t repsond sooner to answer Clifford. I am answering quickly here as I have to go, yet I want to be clear here. I&#039;ll come back tomorrow.

In terms of the &quot;field&quot; Inverse Square law. The &quot;electrical potential&quot; in gravitational collapse, as a cosmological process.

Photon, informaton &quot;released&quot; and held to event?

&quot;Measure&quot; in terms of distance from that event &quot;in time&quot; till now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.<b>Sean</b>:<i>which characterizes the potential &#8220;oomph&#8221; in the flow</i></p>
<p>2.<b>citrine</b><i>The peak of a tall mountain has a large gravitational potential relative to the bottom.</i></p>
<p>3.<b>Arun</b> <i>powerwasher jet would be a high voltage, low current flow,</p>
<p>water spilling over the top of a New Orleans levee would be low voltage, high current flow;</p>
<p>water at the turbine in a hydreelectric dam such as at<br />
<a href="http://users.owt.com/chubbard/gcdam/html/hydro.html" rel="nofollow">http://users.owt.com/chubbard/gcdam/html/hydro.html</a><br />
would be high voltage, high current,</p>
<p>and your kitchen faucet would be a low voltage, low current flow.</i></p>
<p>Sorry I couldn&#8217;t repsond sooner to answer Clifford. I am answering quickly here as I have to go, yet I want to be clear here. I&#8217;ll come back tomorrow.</p>
<p>In terms of the &#8220;field&#8221; Inverse Square law. The &#8220;electrical potential&#8221; in gravitational collapse, as a cosmological process.</p>
<p>Photon, informaton &#8220;released&#8221; and held to event?</p>
<p>&#8220;Measure&#8221; in terms of distance from that event &#8220;in time&#8221; till now?</p>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
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		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 05:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter grad student - OK, but grad school was truly fun for me, studying physics, the camraderie, even the problem sets.

On the other hand, writing up my dissertation in those pre TeX days really sucked.</description>
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<p>On the other hand, writing up my dissertation in those pre TeX days really sucked.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Renbarger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/16/power-dressing/comment-page-1/#comment-3587</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Renbarger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to think of the point Clifford makes in comment 34 -- consider if a newspaper made a mistake along the lines of confusing your/you&#039;re or it&#039;s/its.  There would (rightly) be howls of outrage at the silliness of such an error by professional journalists.  But an error between voltage/current passes (nearly :-)) without comment, even though in relation to the subject, the distinction is about as basic as the difference between possessive pronouns and contractions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to think of the point Clifford makes in comment 34 &#8212; consider if a newspaper made a mistake along the lines of confusing your/you&#8217;re or it&#8217;s/its.  There would (rightly) be howls of outrage at the silliness of such an error by professional journalists.  But an error between voltage/current passes (nearly <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) without comment, even though in relation to the subject, the distinction is about as basic as the difference between possessive pronouns and contractions.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last thing. About the use of the term &quot;kindergarten&quot;. Of course, it was in jest, so please don&#039;t get annoyed, anyone...but there is a serious point there. I claim that it should not be too much to expect to live in a society where the HUGE difference between voltage (to do with energy) and current (to do with flow) is taught to small children as a matter of basic education, as laid out in the first half of my explanation in comment 2. It is not that hard, and is no harder than several other concepts we teach in kindergarten or just beyond! This is not the same as teaching  them about electric fields, properties of electrons,  asking them to  handle Maxwell&#039;s equations for electromagnetism...or even getting them to write an equation expressing Ohm&#039;s Law. I&#039;m asking for just a plain understanding of &quot;energy&quot; vs &quot;flow&quot;. I claim that this is not too much to ask. We should at least be striving in that direction. That is my basic point: It is actually near-kindergarten material, &lt;em&gt;or should be&lt;/em&gt;. Then people will be less likely to grow up with a fear (stemming from misinformation and confusion) about that most basic tool we employ all around us: electricity.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thing. About the use of the term &#8220;kindergarten&#8221;. Of course, it was in jest, so please don&#8217;t get annoyed, anyone&#8230;but there is a serious point there. I claim that it should not be too much to expect to live in a society where the HUGE difference between voltage (to do with energy) and current (to do with flow) is taught to small children as a matter of basic education, as laid out in the first half of my explanation in comment 2. It is not that hard, and is no harder than several other concepts we teach in kindergarten or just beyond! This is not the same as teaching  them about electric fields, properties of electrons,  asking them to  handle Maxwell&#8217;s equations for electromagnetism&#8230;or even getting them to write an equation expressing Ohm&#8217;s Law. I&#8217;m asking for just a plain understanding of &#8220;energy&#8221; vs &#8220;flow&#8221;. I claim that this is not too much to ask. We should at least be striving in that direction. That is my basic point: It is actually near-kindergarten material, <em>or should be</em>. Then people will be less likely to grow up with a fear (stemming from misinformation and confusion) about that most basic tool we employ all around us: electricity.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/16/power-dressing/comment-page-1/#comment-3585</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi janet,

Recall that in earlier posts I expressed the hope that people would talk about science in their dinner conversation alongside everything else? I&#039;m so glad to have helped that happen for at least one conversation! Thanks for letting me know.

Your questions at dinner. Let&#039;s stop with the analogies, and talk about the thing itself. Moons and feathers confuse the issue when talking about what voltage is. It is all about work and energy, as I&#039;ve said previously. But I did not say (since it was not neccessary) whose work and whose energy. Now I will. Your electrons are acted on by electric fields. This is  (mostly) always how electrons are moved around in the world as objects in their own right: They are moved or held in place by electric fields. Such an electric field is what drives the electron along the path through the circuit. We say that the electric field &quot;does work&quot; on the electron to move it, and therebye gives it some energy. (In the same way that you do work on your coffee cup to move it..... and by doing work you are converting energy from one form to another....giving the cup energy of motion, &quot;kinetic energy&quot; for example) I am not going to explain why electrons are acted on by electric fields, because nobody knows. (People will write in and say other stuff, but bottom line is that nobody knows why....we are very good at describing it as a fundamental fact from which several other things follow, but the &quot;why&quot; is a different matter.) Let us just use this as a starting point.

So your circuit is a place where motion of electrons can follow a well-defined path. To drive the motion, an electric field has to be created. There are various ways of doing that, and we need not concern ourselves with the details of how. It is enough to know that your AAA battery sets up a such a driving electric field. Connect a light bulb using wire from one end of the battery to another and you have a circuit. What happens is that the field drives the electron around the circuit in one direction. It leaves the battery at one end and goes around the circuit (passing through the light bulb on its way) and returns to the other end of the battery, completing the loop that the system was designed to do. The light bulb actually glows. This means that energy was transferred to the lightbulb from  the battery, which was our intent. This is what voltage is a measure of. Exactly how? Each electron, in going from one terminal of the battery from another along the circuit, loses a specific parcel of energy in going once around the loop. The volt is simply a measure of this parcel of energy, and convention has it that we divide this number by the amount of electric charge the electron has to get the unit that  we call the Volt. Where did that energy that it lost go? Into lighting the lightbulb, (and heating it a bit too).

This is the principle by which all the appliances in your house are using electricity. It is just a clever way of storing energy (batteries), moving energy from one place to another (transmission lines etc) and then using it to do work (forming a circuit in which your microwave oven, etc, takes the place of the light bulb). When you plug something in, or flick a switch, you&#039;re just creating one of these circuits/paths/loops around which electrons will  be driven (by the electric fields in your battery or generated by burning coal at the power station, or by the solar cells on your roof), giving up their energy as they go through the device you wish to operate.

Summary (as in  comment 2): The volt is a measure of how much energy each electron gives up in going around the circuit.

Notice I&#039;ve said nothing about current. This has nothing to do with volts.... it is a measure of the number of elecrons going around the circuit during a given interval of time. That is measured in Amperes (amps). Knowing both the volts and the amps together can then tell you how much power is involved, and if you know for how long your system is working at that power, you know how much energy you used in total. See comment 2.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
He was also wondering how &quot;current&quot; comes into the pictures when the subject is static electricity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It does not matter what &quot;type&quot; of electricity is being discussed. The meaning of volts and amps is still the same. All we&#039;ve changed is the way in which our basic electric field -which will drive our circuit- has been prepared. In the case of static electricity, the materials in the jacket are such that it is easy to create an excess of, or a deficit of, electrons on some surface (by rubbing them off, for example). Once you have a large number of electrons present or missing (which it is depends upon the material), guess what you have? An electric field that can drive electrons in a circuit &lt;em&gt; if one is formed&lt;/em&gt;. The electrons are all trying to get away from all the other electrons and return everything to a situation where there are no excesses or deficits. The  distribution of electrons themselves sets up an electric field which will move them to this better situation (if the opportunity arises) If they could get to the &quot;ground&quot; (roughly, the earth itself...a super large body that is so huge it can take the excess, or provide  extra to fix a deficit), this would do the trick.  The &quot;30,000 volts&quot; referred to in the story is a measure of how much energy (in the sense described before) an electron would lose if the field drove it around the circuit. But if there is no circuit, it won&#039;t happen. (This is why &quot;give off voltage&quot; is just so silly.) With static buildup like that, nobody usually connects wires to make a circuit and drive a lightbulb. What acutally happens is that the electrons find  a way of getting to &quot;ground&quot;. Either someone or something (which conducts electrons - allows them to flow through them) forms a path through which this happens, or if the charge separation is really extreme, it will cause the air  itself to act as a conductor and these guys will just jump....this is the spark that you see with static electricity. Or lightning. When that happens, you have a flow of electrons -  a current is a measure of that flow.

So summary (as in comment 2): current is a measure of the rate of  flow of electrons in the circuit.

Ok. So I probably totally answered the wrong questions and now you&#039;re going to  beat the BeJesus out of me for being an incompetent explainer of basic concepts, and a hypocrite for pointing out examples of the media&#039;s failing to even bother to try. Ok, go for it.... :-) I hope it was useful for somebody, anyway.

Best,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi janet,</p>
<p>Recall that in earlier posts I expressed the hope that people would talk about science in their dinner conversation alongside everything else? I&#8217;m so glad to have helped that happen for at least one conversation! Thanks for letting me know.</p>
<p>Your questions at dinner. Let&#8217;s stop with the analogies, and talk about the thing itself. Moons and feathers confuse the issue when talking about what voltage is. It is all about work and energy, as I&#8217;ve said previously. But I did not say (since it was not neccessary) whose work and whose energy. Now I will. Your electrons are acted on by electric fields. This is  (mostly) always how electrons are moved around in the world as objects in their own right: They are moved or held in place by electric fields. Such an electric field is what drives the electron along the path through the circuit. We say that the electric field &#8220;does work&#8221; on the electron to move it, and therebye gives it some energy. (In the same way that you do work on your coffee cup to move it&#8230;.. and by doing work you are converting energy from one form to another&#8230;.giving the cup energy of motion, &#8220;kinetic energy&#8221; for example) I am not going to explain why electrons are acted on by electric fields, because nobody knows. (People will write in and say other stuff, but bottom line is that nobody knows why&#8230;.we are very good at describing it as a fundamental fact from which several other things follow, but the &#8220;why&#8221; is a different matter.) Let us just use this as a starting point.</p>
<p>So your circuit is a place where motion of electrons can follow a well-defined path. To drive the motion, an electric field has to be created. There are various ways of doing that, and we need not concern ourselves with the details of how. It is enough to know that your AAA battery sets up a such a driving electric field. Connect a light bulb using wire from one end of the battery to another and you have a circuit. What happens is that the field drives the electron around the circuit in one direction. It leaves the battery at one end and goes around the circuit (passing through the light bulb on its way) and returns to the other end of the battery, completing the loop that the system was designed to do. The light bulb actually glows. This means that energy was transferred to the lightbulb from  the battery, which was our intent. This is what voltage is a measure of. Exactly how? Each electron, in going from one terminal of the battery from another along the circuit, loses a specific parcel of energy in going once around the loop. The volt is simply a measure of this parcel of energy, and convention has it that we divide this number by the amount of electric charge the electron has to get the unit that  we call the Volt. Where did that energy that it lost go? Into lighting the lightbulb, (and heating it a bit too).</p>
<p>This is the principle by which all the appliances in your house are using electricity. It is just a clever way of storing energy (batteries), moving energy from one place to another (transmission lines etc) and then using it to do work (forming a circuit in which your microwave oven, etc, takes the place of the light bulb). When you plug something in, or flick a switch, you&#8217;re just creating one of these circuits/paths/loops around which electrons will  be driven (by the electric fields in your battery or generated by burning coal at the power station, or by the solar cells on your roof), giving up their energy as they go through the device you wish to operate.</p>
<p>Summary (as in  comment 2): The volt is a measure of how much energy each electron gives up in going around the circuit.</p>
<p>Notice I&#8217;ve said nothing about current. This has nothing to do with volts&#8230;. it is a measure of the number of elecrons going around the circuit during a given interval of time. That is measured in Amperes (amps). Knowing both the volts and the amps together can then tell you how much power is involved, and if you know for how long your system is working at that power, you know how much energy you used in total. See comment 2.</p>
<blockquote><p>
He was also wondering how &#8220;current&#8221; comes into the pictures when the subject is static electricity.</p></blockquote>
<p>It does not matter what &#8220;type&#8221; of electricity is being discussed. The meaning of volts and amps is still the same. All we&#8217;ve changed is the way in which our basic electric field -which will drive our circuit- has been prepared. In the case of static electricity, the materials in the jacket are such that it is easy to create an excess of, or a deficit of, electrons on some surface (by rubbing them off, for example). Once you have a large number of electrons present or missing (which it is depends upon the material), guess what you have? An electric field that can drive electrons in a circuit <em> if one is formed</em>. The electrons are all trying to get away from all the other electrons and return everything to a situation where there are no excesses or deficits. The  distribution of electrons themselves sets up an electric field which will move them to this better situation (if the opportunity arises) If they could get to the &#8220;ground&#8221; (roughly, the earth itself&#8230;a super large body that is so huge it can take the excess, or provide  extra to fix a deficit), this would do the trick.  The &#8220;30,000 volts&#8221; referred to in the story is a measure of how much energy (in the sense described before) an electron would lose if the field drove it around the circuit. But if there is no circuit, it won&#8217;t happen. (This is why &#8220;give off voltage&#8221; is just so silly.) With static buildup like that, nobody usually connects wires to make a circuit and drive a lightbulb. What acutally happens is that the electrons find  a way of getting to &#8220;ground&#8221;. Either someone or something (which conducts electrons &#8211; allows them to flow through them) forms a path through which this happens, or if the charge separation is really extreme, it will cause the air  itself to act as a conductor and these guys will just jump&#8230;.this is the spark that you see with static electricity. Or lightning. When that happens, you have a flow of electrons &#8211;  a current is a measure of that flow.</p>
<p>So summary (as in comment 2): current is a measure of the rate of  flow of electrons in the circuit.</p>
<p>Ok. So I probably totally answered the wrong questions and now you&#8217;re going to  beat the BeJesus out of me for being an incompetent explainer of basic concepts, and a hypocrite for pointing out examples of the media&#8217;s failing to even bother to try. Ok, go for it&#8230;. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I hope it was useful for somebody, anyway.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford,

I paraphrased your comment about terminlogy for my husband, but I think the two of you will have to discuss that, if he decides to come over here and comment -- I keep sending him posts to entice him (I think the one on the SLAC Summer Institute wine list was my best shot so far, but maybe one of your gardening posts would do the trick).

We ended up having a discussion about this post at dinner last night with two friends, including another physicist. My husband, who is very good with words, couldn&#039;t think of a good way to explain what voltage measures in non-technical terms, without using analogies. He and our friend could think of plenty of analogies -- water pressure in a pipe was one of the first to come up, and there was some loose talk about bowling balls dropped on one&#039;s head from a second-story window vs. a feather being dropped from the moon -- but in the latter case you would have to do it in a vaccuum, which presumably would mean that the feather, or even the bowling ball, would be the least of your problems.

He was also wondering how &quot;current&quot; comes into the pictures when the subject is static electricity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford,</p>
<p>I paraphrased your comment about terminlogy for my husband, but I think the two of you will have to discuss that, if he decides to come over here and comment &#8212; I keep sending him posts to entice him (I think the one on the SLAC Summer Institute wine list was my best shot so far, but maybe one of your gardening posts would do the trick).</p>
<p>We ended up having a discussion about this post at dinner last night with two friends, including another physicist. My husband, who is very good with words, couldn&#8217;t think of a good way to explain what voltage measures in non-technical terms, without using analogies. He and our friend could think of plenty of analogies &#8212; water pressure in a pipe was one of the first to come up, and there was some loose talk about bowling balls dropped on one&#8217;s head from a second-story window vs. a feather being dropped from the moon &#8212; but in the latter case you would have to do it in a vaccuum, which presumably would mean that the feather, or even the bowling ball, would be the least of your problems.</p>
<p>He was also wondering how &#8220;current&#8221; comes into the pictures when the subject is static electricity.</p>
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		<title>By: bittergradstudent</title>
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		<dc:creator>bittergradstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CapitalistImperialistPig:  grad school is hardly anyone&#039;s vision of a final destination in life, and after having to spend hours and hours of time TAing awful labs or classes, filled with students on a desperate mission to avoid thinking, and in the meanwhile, feeling under quite a bit of pressure to do research and perhaps even publish, while taking classes and attempting to have a private life is quite enough to make one bitter.   Not to mention that all of this is happeneing in an atmosphere of nonstop NSF cuts that prevent us from getting research assistantships, and threaten our future employment opportunites (when I started, dear leader&#039;s war on science was not yet apparent) Though the name really &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; mostly tounge-in-cheek.

As for maximizing earning potential, grad school for anything but a law or med degree probably isn&#039;t very rational.  I don&#039;t know any scientists that are in it for the Benjamins, that&#039;s for sure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CapitalistImperialistPig:  grad school is hardly anyone&#8217;s vision of a final destination in life, and after having to spend hours and hours of time TAing awful labs or classes, filled with students on a desperate mission to avoid thinking, and in the meanwhile, feeling under quite a bit of pressure to do research and perhaps even publish, while taking classes and attempting to have a private life is quite enough to make one bitter.   Not to mention that all of this is happeneing in an atmosphere of nonstop NSF cuts that prevent us from getting research assistantships, and threaten our future employment opportunites (when I started, dear leader&#8217;s war on science was not yet apparent) Though the name really <i>is</i> mostly tounge-in-cheek.</p>
<p>As for maximizing earning potential, grad school for anything but a law or med degree probably isn&#8217;t very rational.  I don&#8217;t know any scientists that are in it for the Benjamins, that&#8217;s for sure</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plato: relevance to the thread? -cvj</description>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I shouldn&#039;t do this, but hint to a further time when the fermion idealization held to brane can be expressed in a clear and consistant way?:)

Cosmological associations and brane features.

Historical correlation of this developement might help?

 Faraday, Maxwell and Einstein leading into &quot;abstract&quot; mathematics??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I shouldn&#8217;t do this, but hint to a further time when the fermion idealization held to brane can be expressed in a clear and consistant way?:)</p>
<p>Cosmological associations and brane features.</p>
<p>Historical correlation of this developement might help?</p>
<p> Faraday, Maxwell and Einstein leading into &#8220;abstract&#8221; mathematics??</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro Rivero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejandro Rivero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you know how much energy is being tranferred (etc) per second. It is the two multiplied together. This is called the &quot;power&quot;, which is measured in Watts (W)&lt;/i&gt;

And, we should add, it is the main source of Wrong Physics in amateur experimental sites, due to the phase between the product of Amps and Volts when we speak about alternating current.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you know how much energy is being tranferred (etc) per second. It is the two multiplied together. This is called the &#8220;power&#8221;, which is measured in Watts (W)</i></p>
<p>And, we should add, it is the main source of Wrong Physics in amateur experimental sites, due to the phase between the product of Amps and Volts when we speak about alternating current.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pyracantha:-  I live for the dialogue. Thanks. I hope that the answer I gave was of use.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pyracantha:-  I live for the dialogue. Thanks. I hope that the answer I gave was of use.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet: I&#039;m relieved that I did not make as much of a pig&#039;s ear of explaining as your second comment seemed to imply. All&#039;s well that ends well. Keep in touch with us here at CV.

One small, tiny, miniscule, infinitessimal, little point-ette though: Your husband is wrong. Tell him from me. It is important to get the terminology right, and not let it slide. The terms exist for a reason and help to guide our thoughts, you see. One allows the harmless misuse of &quot;current&quot; here, and &quot;voltage&quot; there, and then pretty soon when you need to figure something pretty simple out using these misapplied terms, you end up going (as most people do) &quot;I don&#039;t understand electricity!! It&#039;s all so complicated&quot;. And it most certainly is not. Same applies to several other things with simple little bits of science language, none of which are individually challenging concepts (really not far from kindergarten -oops), but it can add up to important conceptual missteps.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet: I&#8217;m relieved that I did not make as much of a pig&#8217;s ear of explaining as your second comment seemed to imply. All&#8217;s well that ends well. Keep in touch with us here at CV.</p>
<p>One small, tiny, miniscule, infinitessimal, little point-ette though: Your husband is wrong. Tell him from me. It is important to get the terminology right, and not let it slide. The terms exist for a reason and help to guide our thoughts, you see. One allows the harmless misuse of &#8220;current&#8221; here, and &#8220;voltage&#8221; there, and then pretty soon when you need to figure something pretty simple out using these misapplied terms, you end up going (as most people do) &#8220;I don&#8217;t understand electricity!! It&#8217;s all so complicated&#8221;. And it most certainly is not. Same applies to several other things with simple little bits of science language, none of which are individually challenging concepts (really not far from kindergarten -oops), but it can add up to important conceptual missteps.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Renbarger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/16/power-dressing/comment-page-1/#comment-3577</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Renbarger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 05:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: giving off voltage, I must admit it&#039;s a usage that makes my teeth itch.  Borrowing from one of the analogies given earlier, you may as well say that something gives off elevation above sea level.

&lt;i&gt;Maybe&lt;/i&gt; if &quot;give off&quot; is meant to be synonymous with &quot;discharge&quot; you could argue for the legitimacy of the usage, but I&#039;d prefer discharge myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: giving off voltage, I must admit it&#8217;s a usage that makes my teeth itch.  Borrowing from one of the analogies given earlier, you may as well say that something gives off elevation above sea level.</p>
<p><i>Maybe</i> if &#8220;give off&#8221; is meant to be synonymous with &#8220;discharge&#8221; you could argue for the legitimacy of the usage, but I&#8217;d prefer discharge myself.</p>
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