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	<title>Comments on: You know what? They&#8217;re just birds</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/</link>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pandamonium &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3651</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandamonium &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3651</guid>
		<description>[...] What can I say? Black and white animals can be ridiculously cute. Especially if they&#8217;re baby ones. Spotted* in the LA Times was an article about Tai Shan (pictured  in my lunchbox above), the 4 and a half month old Giant Panda cub (photo is from earlier) which gave its first official press conference to the national media yesterday in Washington DC. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] What can I say? Black and white animals can be ridiculously cute. Especially if they&#8217;re baby ones. Spotted* in the LA Times was an article about Tai Shan (pictured  in my lunchbox above), the 4 and a half month old Giant Panda cub (photo is from earlier) which gave its first official press conference to the national media yesterday in Washington DC. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3650</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3650</guid>
		<description>Also on this topic, a post about this movie by a blogger friend of mine, a couple of months ago:

http://badgerbag.typepad.com/badgerbag/2005/07/waddling.html

She uses pseudonyms on her blog -- "Moomin" is her son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also on this topic, a post about this movie by a blogger friend of mine, a couple of months ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://badgerbag.typepad.com/badgerbag/2005/07/waddling.html" rel="nofollow">http://badgerbag.typepad.com/badgerbag/2005/07/waddling.html</a></p>
<p>She uses pseudonyms on her blog &#8212; &#8220;Moomin&#8221; is her son.</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3649</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3649</guid>
		<description>It looks to me as though the Guardian story draws heavily on this NY Times story of 9/13:

www.nytimes.com/2005/09/13/science/13peng.html

See also: www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18sun2.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks to me as though the Guardian story draws heavily on this NY Times story of 9/13:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/13/science/13peng.html" rel="nofollow">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/13/science/13peng.html</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18sun2.html" rel="nofollow">www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18sun2.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fabien Besnard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3648</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabien Besnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3648</guid>
		<description>Just to correct. The first movie of this kind was "Microcosmos", and "le peuple de l'herbe" was the sequel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to correct. The first movie of this kind was &#8220;Microcosmos&#8221;, and &#8220;le peuple de l&#8217;herbe&#8221; was the sequel.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabien Besnard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3647</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabien Besnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3647</guid>
		<description>You said that "the march of the penguins" is a documentary, but is it really one ? These last years there have been a lot of movies about wildlife that have a kind of "mystic" tone. The first one was "le peuple de l'herbe", I don't know if it has had the same success overseas that "la marche de l'empereur". In this one there were absoulutely no commentary. I think the audience was supposed to be just in awe before the grand work of mother nature. In the original version of "la marche de l'empereur" there are no voiceover. Instead the penguins are talking themselves ! This tendency to semtimentalism, anthropomorphism and sometimes religious-like admiration is also more and more present in "science' TV shows, at least the ones I get to see in France. The scientific content of these sort of shows is more and more emtpy and I'm afraid real scientific popularization is seen as outdated. The problem is, as you pointed out, that it makes the task easier for all sorts of obscurantists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said that &#8220;the march of the penguins&#8221; is a documentary, but is it really one ? These last years there have been a lot of movies about wildlife that have a kind of &#8220;mystic&#8221; tone. The first one was &#8220;le peuple de l&#8217;herbe&#8221;, I don&#8217;t know if it has had the same success overseas that &#8220;la marche de l&#8217;empereur&#8221;. In this one there were absoulutely no commentary. I think the audience was supposed to be just in awe before the grand work of mother nature. In the original version of &#8220;la marche de l&#8217;empereur&#8221; there are no voiceover. Instead the penguins are talking themselves ! This tendency to semtimentalism, anthropomorphism and sometimes religious-like admiration is also more and more present in &#8220;science&#8217; TV shows, at least the ones I get to see in France. The scientific content of these sort of shows is more and more emtpy and I&#8217;m afraid real scientific popularization is seen as outdated. The problem is, as you pointed out, that it makes the task easier for all sorts of obscurantists.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3646</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3646</guid>
		<description>Interesting point Maynard...

It's ironic that the ability to argue that the whole made the parts evidently comes from the parts making the whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point Maynard&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that the ability to argue that the whole made the parts evidently comes from the parts making the whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard Handley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3645</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3645</guid>
		<description>Surely there has to be a way to contrast the ID issue with the "invisible hand"? Something along the lines of:
Well if you don't think vast numbers of small things can add up to remarkable results, I assume you don't believe that economies should be run as the sum of a vast number of small decisions, but should be guided by a single "Intelligent Planner" who describes in exact detail everything that should happen.

It seems to me that this is as useful a way as any of countering this nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely there has to be a way to contrast the ID issue with the &#8220;invisible hand&#8221;? Something along the lines of:<br />
Well if you don&#8217;t think vast numbers of small things can add up to remarkable results, I assume you don&#8217;t believe that economies should be run as the sum of a vast number of small decisions, but should be guided by a single &#8220;Intelligent Planner&#8221; who describes in exact detail everything that should happen.</p>
<p>It seems to me that this is as useful a way as any of countering this nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3644</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/#comment-3644</guid>
		<description>I think we can all agree that Republicans have a lot to learn from the penguins.  But what are we going to do about the &lt;a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/13/whos-going-to-tell-michael-medved/" rel="nofollow"&gt;gay ones&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can all agree that Republicans have a lot to learn from the penguins.  But what are we going to do about the <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/13/whos-going-to-tell-michael-medved/" rel="nofollow">gay ones</a>?</p>
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