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	<title>Comments on: You know what? They&#8217;re just birds</title>
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		<title>By: Pandamonium &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-3651</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandamonium &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What can I say? Black and white animals can be ridiculously cute. Especially if they&#8217;re baby ones. Spotted* in the LA Times was an article about Tai Shan (pictured  in my lunchbox above), the 4 and a half month old Giant Panda cub (photo is from earlier) which gave its first official press conference to the national media yesterday in Washington DC. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What can I say? Black and white animals can be ridiculously cute. Especially if they&#8217;re baby ones. Spotted* in the LA Times was an article about Tai Shan (pictured  in my lunchbox above), the 4 and a half month old Giant Panda cub (photo is from earlier) which gave its first official press conference to the national media yesterday in Washington DC. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-3650</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also on this topic, a post about this movie by a blogger friend of mine, a couple of months ago:

http://badgerbag.typepad.com/badgerbag/2005/07/waddling.html

She uses pseudonyms on her blog -- &quot;Moomin&quot; is her son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also on this topic, a post about this movie by a blogger friend of mine, a couple of months ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://badgerbag.typepad.com/badgerbag/2005/07/waddling.html" rel="nofollow">http://badgerbag.typepad.com/badgerbag/2005/07/waddling.html</a></p>
<p>She uses pseudonyms on her blog &#8212; &#8220;Moomin&#8221; is her son.</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-3649</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks to me as though the Guardian story draws heavily on this NY Times story of 9/13:

www.nytimes.com/2005/09/13/science/13peng.html

See also: www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18sun2.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks to me as though the Guardian story draws heavily on this NY Times story of 9/13:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/13/science/13peng.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/13/science/13peng.html</a></p>
<p>See also: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18sun2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/18sun2.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fabien Besnard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-3648</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabien Besnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to correct. The first movie of this kind was &quot;Microcosmos&quot;, and &quot;le peuple de l&#039;herbe&quot; was the sequel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to correct. The first movie of this kind was &#8220;Microcosmos&#8221;, and &#8220;le peuple de l&#8217;herbe&#8221; was the sequel.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabien Besnard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-3647</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabien Besnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said that &quot;the march of the penguins&quot; is a documentary, but is it really one ? These last years there have been a lot of movies about wildlife that have a kind of &quot;mystic&quot; tone. The first one was &quot;le peuple de l&#039;herbe&quot;, I don&#039;t know if it has had the same success overseas that &quot;la marche de l&#039;empereur&quot;. In this one there were absoulutely no commentary. I think the audience was supposed to be just in awe before the grand work of mother nature. In the original version of &quot;la marche de l&#039;empereur&quot; there are no voiceover. Instead the penguins are talking themselves ! This tendency to semtimentalism, anthropomorphism and sometimes religious-like admiration is also more and more present in &quot;science&#039; TV shows, at least the ones I get to see in France. The scientific content of these sort of shows is more and more emtpy and I&#039;m afraid real scientific popularization is seen as outdated. The problem is, as you pointed out, that it makes the task easier for all sorts of obscurantists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said that &#8220;the march of the penguins&#8221; is a documentary, but is it really one ? These last years there have been a lot of movies about wildlife that have a kind of &#8220;mystic&#8221; tone. The first one was &#8220;le peuple de l&#8217;herbe&#8221;, I don&#8217;t know if it has had the same success overseas that &#8220;la marche de l&#8217;empereur&#8221;. In this one there were absoulutely no commentary. I think the audience was supposed to be just in awe before the grand work of mother nature. In the original version of &#8220;la marche de l&#8217;empereur&#8221; there are no voiceover. Instead the penguins are talking themselves ! This tendency to semtimentalism, anthropomorphism and sometimes religious-like admiration is also more and more present in &#8220;science&#8217; TV shows, at least the ones I get to see in France. The scientific content of these sort of shows is more and more emtpy and I&#8217;m afraid real scientific popularization is seen as outdated. The problem is, as you pointed out, that it makes the task easier for all sorts of obscurantists.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-3646</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point Maynard...

It&#039;s ironic that the ability to argue that the whole made the parts evidently comes from the parts making the whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point Maynard&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that the ability to argue that the whole made the parts evidently comes from the parts making the whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard Handley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maynard Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely there has to be a way to contrast the ID issue with the &quot;invisible hand&quot;? Something along the lines of:
Well if you don&#039;t think vast numbers of small things can add up to remarkable results, I assume you don&#039;t believe that economies should be run as the sum of a vast number of small decisions, but should be guided by a single &quot;Intelligent Planner&quot; who describes in exact detail everything that should happen.

It seems to me that this is as useful a way as any of countering this nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely there has to be a way to contrast the ID issue with the &#8220;invisible hand&#8221;? Something along the lines of:<br />
Well if you don&#8217;t think vast numbers of small things can add up to remarkable results, I assume you don&#8217;t believe that economies should be run as the sum of a vast number of small decisions, but should be guided by a single &#8220;Intelligent Planner&#8221; who describes in exact detail everything that should happen.</p>
<p>It seems to me that this is as useful a way as any of countering this nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/09/18/you-know-what-theyre-just-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-3644</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we can all agree that Republicans have a lot to learn from the penguins.  But what are we going to do about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/13/whos-going-to-tell-michael-medved/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gay ones&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can all agree that Republicans have a lot to learn from the penguins.  But what are we going to do about the <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/13/whos-going-to-tell-michael-medved/" rel="nofollow">gay ones</a>?</p>
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