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	<title>Comments on: Marvellous Nobel Antics</title>
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		<title>By: Three Proposals of Marriage &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4641</link>
		<dc:creator>Three Proposals of Marriage &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 01:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I then turned and walked away only to be facing my good friend, Los Angeles Theatre scence playwright and colleague from the School of Theatre, Oliver Mayer. I said the same opening sentence to him and again we completed the joke together. We sat, had more wine (it&#8217;s 4:30pm on a weekday, but you don&#8217;t install a new Provost everyday&#8230;..) and I told him about my standard bugbear about which you&#8217;ve heard so many times: Better representation of science, scientists, and the scientific process in the arts and media should be part of the battle of increasing the public&#8217;s awareness and appreciation of science and the crucial role it plays in society, etc&#8230;&#8230; I won&#8217;t repeat myself again (see e.g. here and here, in comments). He caught on immediately, and spoke of the fact that in all the the characters and scenarios he&#8217;s written about, he&#8217;s never explored scientists and science, as it is outside his realm of experience. So I then spoke of my general frustrations about this being the case not just for playwrights, but also for actors, filmmakers, jrounalists, etc. We spoke about speaking more (you know, &#8220;my people will call your people&#8221; -except neither of us are important enough to have &#8220;people&#8221; to call each other-) and we parted. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I then turned and walked away only to be facing my good friend, Los Angeles Theatre scence playwright and colleague from the School of Theatre, Oliver Mayer. I said the same opening sentence to him and again we completed the joke together. We sat, had more wine (it&#8217;s 4:30pm on a weekday, but you don&#8217;t install a new Provost everyday&#8230;..) and I told him about my standard bugbear about which you&#8217;ve heard so many times: Better representation of science, scientists, and the scientific process in the arts and media should be part of the battle of increasing the public&#8217;s awareness and appreciation of science and the crucial role it plays in society, etc&#8230;&#8230; I won&#8217;t repeat myself again (see e.g. here and here, in comments). He caught on immediately, and spoke of the fact that in all the the characters and scenarios he&#8217;s written about, he&#8217;s never explored scientists and science, as it is outside his realm of experience. So I then spoke of my general frustrations about this being the case not just for playwrights, but also for actors, filmmakers, jrounalists, etc. We spoke about speaking more (you know, &#8220;my people will call your people&#8221; -except neither of us are important enough to have &#8220;people&#8221; to call each other-) and we parted. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mad and Bad &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4640</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad and Bad &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Remember our occasional chats on this blog (e.g. here and here, in comments) about portrayals of scientists in the media? Here&#8217;s some more chatter on Pharyngula. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Remember our occasional chats on this blog (e.g. here and here, in comments) about portrayals of scientists in the media? Here&#8217;s some more chatter on Pharyngula. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4639</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that in most cases, yes, he&#039;s right. I think that is one of the main themes of a lot of the original characters, and the tradition was followed quite strictly. But there may be exceptions.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that in most cases, yes, he&#8217;s right. I think that is one of the main themes of a lot of the original characters, and the tradition was followed quite strictly. But there may be exceptions.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4638</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband pointed out that deliberately doing something to yourself that results in superpowers generally turns you into a supervillain. I&#039;m not enough of a comics afficionado to evaluate this statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband pointed out that deliberately doing something to yourself that results in superpowers generally turns you into a supervillain. I&#8217;m not enough of a comics afficionado to evaluate this statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Redshift</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4637</link>
		<dc:creator>Redshift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he was a scientist and became a villain, he&#039;d have to be &quot;Doctor Pylori&quot; or &quot;Doctor Ulcer.&quot;  For some reason, villains are more likely to be &quot;Doctor&quot; than heroes, even scientist heroes (&quot;Mr. Fantastic?&quot;)  Maybe it&#039;s the absence of the superior attitude required to become a villain.

Matter-eater Lad is a brilliant reference; I hadn&#039;t thought of him.  Of course, my knowledge of him is largely from the Legion of Substitute Heroes, rather than his original appearances.

&lt;/geek&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he was a scientist and became a villain, he&#8217;d have to be &#8220;Doctor Pylori&#8221; or &#8220;Doctor Ulcer.&#8221;  For some reason, villains are more likely to be &#8220;Doctor&#8221; than heroes, even scientist heroes (&#8220;Mr. Fantastic?&#8221;)  Maybe it&#8217;s the absence of the superior attitude required to become a villain.</p>
<p>Matter-eater Lad is a brilliant reference; I hadn&#8217;t thought of him.  Of course, my knowledge of him is largely from the Legion of Substitute Heroes, rather than his original appearances.</p>
<p>&lt;/geek&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjorn Larsson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4636</link>
		<dc:creator>Torbjorn Larsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like the hero to be female instead; I cannot shake Pharyngulas description of flagellated bacterias &#039;wiggly bottoms&#039; from my mind...

( http://pharyngula.org/ ; in a post describing an evolutionist prayer as a contrast to the creationist/fundamentalistic version.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like the hero to be female instead; I cannot shake Pharyngulas description of flagellated bacterias &#8216;wiggly bottoms&#8217; from my mind&#8230;</p>
<p>( <a href="http://pharyngula.org/" rel="nofollow">http://pharyngula.org/</a> ; in a post describing an evolutionist prayer as a contrast to the creationist/fundamentalistic version.)</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4635</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet:  Thank you for providing some nice Halloween costume ideas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet:  Thank you for providing some nice Halloween costume ideas!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4634</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 03:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought a bodkin was like a needle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought a bodkin was like a needle.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4633</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pyracantha! You know about Matter-eater Lad?! Wow! I had no idea that there were others out there who would recall DC&#039;s (rather bizarre)  Legion of Super-Heroes, never mind one of the &quot;lesser&quot; ones. In fact, my suggestion &quot;Ulcer Boy&quot; was to resonate with &quot;Ultra Boy&quot; in my mind, and I did notr trouble to explain it since I thought no-one would get it.

Janet: I really like the way our superhero (if that is what he is) is shaping up....

citrine: Oooooh, there are tons of imagined examples, some resulting in all sortsof outlandish things. And of course there&#039;s the scientist in &quot;The Fly&quot;.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pyracantha! You know about Matter-eater Lad?! Wow! I had no idea that there were others out there who would recall DC&#8217;s (rather bizarre)  Legion of Super-Heroes, never mind one of the &#8220;lesser&#8221; ones. In fact, my suggestion &#8220;Ulcer Boy&#8221; was to resonate with &#8220;Ultra Boy&#8221; in my mind, and I did notr trouble to explain it since I thought no-one would get it.</p>
<p>Janet: I really like the way our superhero (if that is what he is) is shaping up&#8230;.</p>
<p>citrine: Oooooh, there are tons of imagined examples, some resulting in all sortsof outlandish things. And of course there&#8217;s the scientist in &#8220;The Fly&#8221;.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4632</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arun, a &lt;em&gt;knife&lt;/em&gt;?  I had always thought it was a spoon.  A knife is just crazy.

But indeed, that&#039;s what a &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=*&amp;q=bodkin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bodkin&lt;/a&gt; is, apparently -- although it may have been blunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arun, a <em>knife</em>?  I had always thought it was a spoon.  A knife is just crazy.</p>
<p>But indeed, that&#8217;s what a <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=*&amp;q=bodkin" rel="nofollow">bodkin</a> is, apparently &#8212; although it may have been blunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Pyracantha</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4631</link>
		<dc:creator>Pyracantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Matter-eater Lad&quot; from the planet Bismoll! (DC Comics, Legion of Super-Heroes)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Matter-eater Lad&#8221; from the planet Bismoll! (DC Comics, Legion of Super-Heroes)</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4630</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here is Newton, who stuck a knife behind his eyeball.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I tooke a bodkine gh &amp; put it betwixt my eye &amp; [the] bone as neare to [the] backside of my eye as I could: &amp;  pressing my eye [with the] end of it (soe as to make [the] curvature a, bcdef in my eye) there appeared severall white darke &amp; coloured circles r, s, t, &amp;c. Which circles were plainest when I continued to rub my eye [with the] point of [the] bodkine, but if I held my eye &amp; [the] bodkin still, though I continued to presse my eye [with] it yet [the] circles would grow faint &amp; often disappeare untill I removed [them] by moving my eye or [the] bodkin.

If [the] experiment were done in a light roome so [that] though my eyes were shut some light would get through their lidds There appeared a greate broade blewish darke circle outmost (as ts), &amp; [within] that another light spot srs whose colour was much like [that] in [the] rest of [the] eye as at k. Within [which] spot appeared still another blew spot r espetially if I pressed my eye hard &amp; [with] a small pointed bodkin. &amp; outmost at vt appeared a verge of light.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Exhibitions/Footprints_of_the_Lion/private_scholar.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here is Newton, who stuck a knife behind his eyeball.</p>
<blockquote><p>I tooke a bodkine gh &amp; put it betwixt my eye &amp; [the] bone as neare to [the] backside of my eye as I could: &amp;  pressing my eye [with the] end of it (soe as to make [the] curvature a, bcdef in my eye) there appeared severall white darke &amp; coloured circles r, s, t, &amp;c. Which circles were plainest when I continued to rub my eye [with the] point of [the] bodkine, but if I held my eye &amp; [the] bodkin still, though I continued to presse my eye [with] it yet [the] circles would grow faint &amp; often disappeare untill I removed [them] by moving my eye or [the] bodkin.</p>
<p>If [the] experiment were done in a light roome so [that] though my eyes were shut some light would get through their lidds There appeared a greate broade blewish darke circle outmost (as ts), &amp; [within] that another light spot srs whose colour was much like [that] in [the] rest of [the] eye as at k. Within [which] spot appeared still another blew spot r espetially if I pressed my eye hard &amp; [with] a small pointed bodkin. &amp; outmost at vt appeared a verge of light.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Exhibitions/Footprints_of_the_Lion/private_scholar.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Exhibitions/Footprints_of_the_Lion/private_scholar.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4629</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just told a friend who&#039;s a medical illustrator about this discussion, and she said that the H. pylori is actually a very cute little bacterium -- it looks like a paramecium with a party hat on. This suggests some costuming ideas for our hero. See, for example: http://www.cellsalive.com/helico.htm

I should say in explanation, or possibly in my defense, that I&#039;ve been thinking all afternoon about gastroesophageal reflux disease in premature infants, so I may be a little obsessed with GI disorders. I&#039;ve developed great respect for the lower esophageal sphincter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just told a friend who&#8217;s a medical illustrator about this discussion, and she said that the H. pylori is actually a very cute little bacterium &#8212; it looks like a paramecium with a party hat on. This suggests some costuming ideas for our hero. See, for example: <a href="http://www.cellsalive.com/helico.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cellsalive.com/helico.htm</a></p>
<p>I should say in explanation, or possibly in my defense, that I&#8217;ve been thinking all afternoon about gastroesophageal reflux disease in premature infants, so I may be a little obsessed with GI disorders. I&#8217;ve developed great respect for the lower esophageal sphincter.</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4628</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physics doesn&#039;t provide much fodder for such dramatic self-experimentation, does it now?</description>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4627</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, wait: he would also be able to spew stomach acid at his enemies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, wait: he would also be able to spew stomach acid at his enemies!</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4626</link>
		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe his power would be the ability to transform matter by consuming and digesting it. Not the way that all of us do -- his digestive tract would have to be able to take dangerous substances and render them harmless. Of course, this would make him one of the slower superheroes, unless he ate a really high-fiber diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe his power would be the ability to transform matter by consuming and digesting it. Not the way that all of us do &#8212; his digestive tract would have to be able to take dangerous substances and render them harmless. Of course, this would make him one of the slower superheroes, unless he ate a really high-fiber diet.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4625</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what&#039;s his power, spyder?

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what&#8217;s his power, spyder?</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4624</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ulcer Man w/ his intrepid wiser sidekick &quot;Alfred&quot;  Warren... that is..

i noticed it was the young impestuous one who gobbled the brew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulcer Man w/ his intrepid wiser sidekick &#8220;Alfred&#8221;  Warren&#8230; that is..</p>
<p>i noticed it was the young impestuous one who gobbled the brew.</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4623</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you are what you eat.</description>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/04/marvellous-nobel-antics/comment-page-1/#comment-4622</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this a full blown article or just a digest?</description>
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