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		<title>By: DouglasG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/11/einsteins-big-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-5072</link>
		<dc:creator>DouglasG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaleberg,

I think you&#039;re thinking of Mary Fairfax Somerville.  She did write several mathematical books, but I don&#039;t believe she brought Leibniz&#039;s Calculus to England.  The English believing that Leibniz plagerized Newton&#039;s work, refused to recognize it.  Since Newton&#039;s work was a bit more esoteric and didn&#039;t lend itself to further study, England fell mathematically behind the rest of Europe.  That is why most of the big names in Mathematics of the time, Euler, Cauchy, the Bernoullis are from the continent rather than England.  This was true for more than 100 years after the death of both men.  She did bring some continental math to England, but nothing with Leibniz&#039;s name on it.  &lt;i&gt;Physical Geography&lt;/i&gt; was her most influencial book, and it was used as a text book for nearly 100 years.  She did translate  Laplace&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Celestial Mechanics&lt;/I&gt; which was an important book in astronomy.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, systhesis is a very important job.  Bringing together ideas from varying sources helps spur other ideas.  Thus, the publishing and translation of works is an important task.  However, in context with this show, they put more emphasis on her putting things together than the people who actually did the work.  Further, was there any evidence that Einstein had access to her work?  Wouldn&#039;t he have gotten Leibniz&#039;s work directly?  Wouldn&#039;t he have access to the experimenter&#039;s published articles?  I think she had little if any roll, but they wanted to put her in.

Also, they totally undercut Einstein&#039;s wife&#039;s roll.  She had a huge influence on Enstein&#039;s work, but they didn&#039;t want to lessen his achievements by giving partial credit to her.  They robbed Peter to pay Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaleberg,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re thinking of Mary Fairfax Somerville.  She did write several mathematical books, but I don&#8217;t believe she brought Leibniz&#8217;s Calculus to England.  The English believing that Leibniz plagerized Newton&#8217;s work, refused to recognize it.  Since Newton&#8217;s work was a bit more esoteric and didn&#8217;t lend itself to further study, England fell mathematically behind the rest of Europe.  That is why most of the big names in Mathematics of the time, Euler, Cauchy, the Bernoullis are from the continent rather than England.  This was true for more than 100 years after the death of both men.  She did bring some continental math to England, but nothing with Leibniz&#8217;s name on it.  <i>Physical Geography</i> was her most influencial book, and it was used as a text book for nearly 100 years.  She did translate  Laplace&#8217;s <i>Celestial Mechanics</i> which was an important book in astronomy.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, systhesis is a very important job.  Bringing together ideas from varying sources helps spur other ideas.  Thus, the publishing and translation of works is an important task.  However, in context with this show, they put more emphasis on her putting things together than the people who actually did the work.  Further, was there any evidence that Einstein had access to her work?  Wouldn&#8217;t he have gotten Leibniz&#8217;s work directly?  Wouldn&#8217;t he have access to the experimenter&#8217;s published articles?  I think she had little if any roll, but they wanted to put her in.</p>
<p>Also, they totally undercut Einstein&#8217;s wife&#8217;s roll.  She had a huge influence on Enstein&#8217;s work, but they didn&#8217;t want to lessen his achievements by giving partial credit to her.  They robbed Peter to pay Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Belizean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/11/einsteins-big-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-5071</link>
		<dc:creator>Belizean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>97% drama (lavishly produced), 3% science.   Not the ideal proportions.

Young Einstein casting and makeup seemed dead on.

I liked that it pointed out the greatest manifestation of Einstein&#039;s genius -- his ability to simply ignore the pressures of bourgeois life (finances, marriage, career, family) in order to fully focus on physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>97% drama (lavishly produced), 3% science.   Not the ideal proportions.</p>
<p>Young Einstein casting and makeup seemed dead on.</p>
<p>I liked that it pointed out the greatest manifestation of Einstein&#8217;s genius &#8212; his ability to simply ignore the pressures of bourgeois life (finances, marriage, career, family) in order to fully focus on physics.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/11/einsteins-big-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-5070</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DouglasG,

Wasn&#039;t it Margaret Somerville who helped bring Leibniz and his continental successor&#039;s calculus to England with her famous translation of the text? She was more than just a translator, but her impact on the English speaking world of math users is still felt today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DouglasG,</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t it Margaret Somerville who helped bring Leibniz and his continental successor&#8217;s calculus to England with her famous translation of the text? She was more than just a translator, but her impact on the English speaking world of math users is still felt today.</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/11/einsteins-big-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-5069</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will reserve most of my critique until i see the teaching guides that will be forthcoming with the classroom DVD packages.  I suspect that Clifford&#039;s comments regarding this &quot;film&#039;s&quot; usage are correct in relation to motivating and stimulating classroom discussions regarding the history of scientific ideas and roles of those who created and developed them.  I didn&#039;t particularly like it as an adult viewer, finding it repetitive and, as others have said, overly dramatic without real intent and purposes.  It would provide opportunities in classrooms however for students to investigate the various social and historical relations within which much of this science took place.  If i were not retired i would choose to use this program with classes of soon-to-be middle school teachers; the audience for which i think this film best serves.  I could see a number of lesson plans built on it, at the middle school level as well as elementary; but i just don&#039;t think you could show it to a high school physics class without eliciting snarky and dysphemic remarks.

Overall it seemed to have been created through the same vision that brought us Jane Austen mini-series, and all those Merchant/Ivory films.  It was more BBC/PBS than the crisper NOVA documentaries and dramas with which we are more accustomed.  Maybe this is the intent of the new CPB, to ascribe these sort of &quot;miracles&quot; of scientific revelation to the ephemera of life (where in the hell were the abject and complete failures of experiments?).  If that is the case we should all feel a touch of despair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will reserve most of my critique until i see the teaching guides that will be forthcoming with the classroom DVD packages.  I suspect that Clifford&#8217;s comments regarding this &#8220;film&#8217;s&#8221; usage are correct in relation to motivating and stimulating classroom discussions regarding the history of scientific ideas and roles of those who created and developed them.  I didn&#8217;t particularly like it as an adult viewer, finding it repetitive and, as others have said, overly dramatic without real intent and purposes.  It would provide opportunities in classrooms however for students to investigate the various social and historical relations within which much of this science took place.  If i were not retired i would choose to use this program with classes of soon-to-be middle school teachers; the audience for which i think this film best serves.  I could see a number of lesson plans built on it, at the middle school level as well as elementary; but i just don&#8217;t think you could show it to a high school physics class without eliciting snarky and dysphemic remarks.</p>
<p>Overall it seemed to have been created through the same vision that brought us Jane Austen mini-series, and all those Merchant/Ivory films.  It was more BBC/PBS than the crisper NOVA documentaries and dramas with which we are more accustomed.  Maybe this is the intent of the new CPB, to ascribe these sort of &#8220;miracles&#8221; of scientific revelation to the ephemera of life (where in the hell were the abject and complete failures of experiments?).  If that is the case we should all feel a touch of despair.</p>
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		<title>By: LizardBreath</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/11/einsteins-big-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-5068</link>
		<dc:creator>LizardBreath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only Monty Python fan who was continuously reminded of the Mongolfier Brothers?  (&quot;Finally, we will take our place in history -- just after Montesqueiu, and just before Mozart!&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only Monty Python fan who was continuously reminded of the Mongolfier Brothers?  (&#8221;Finally, we will take our place in history &#8212; just after Montesqueiu, and just before Mozart!&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/10/11/einsteins-big-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-5067</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did folks think of SLAC&#039;s part in the show, or of our young scientists staring out in deep thought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did folks think of SLAC&#8217;s part in the show, or of our young scientists staring out in deep thought?</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aristotle,

I am sure if they could fit more in they would, but that probably is the future in terms of what will come out in more dramatization.

Chad, Dissident

Of course, it brought to light issues on women and I like this fact(even though I would like to kill the issue and men&#039;s observance even in day&#039;s &quot;cultural&quot; and in what I see of older men beyond baby boomers) we are reminded about men&#039;s attitudes.

Second, it leads to a better comprehension I think on what Lavoisier was doing in terms of comparative relations &quot;rust and decay&quot; between the ideas of mass and energy &quot;contained&quot; could actually represent views established in how we see gravitational issues of events in the cosmo. What was released in the bulk. It&#039;s presence?

 Gravitational waves and the theoretcial implication of defining this energy mass, as two parts of the same thing. Just further defined, and pointing in refinement literature of reductionistic idealizations. Missing energy?

Having this historical overlay in today&#039;s understanding is a powerful metaphor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aristotle,</p>
<p>I am sure if they could fit more in they would, but that probably is the future in terms of what will come out in more dramatization.</p>
<p>Chad, Dissident</p>
<p>Of course, it brought to light issues on women and I like this fact(even though I would like to kill the issue and men&#8217;s observance even in day&#8217;s &#8220;cultural&#8221; and in what I see of older men beyond baby boomers) we are reminded about men&#8217;s attitudes.</p>
<p>Second, it leads to a better comprehension I think on what Lavoisier was doing in terms of comparative relations &#8220;rust and decay&#8221; between the ideas of mass and energy &#8220;contained&#8221; could actually represent views established in how we see gravitational issues of events in the cosmo. What was released in the bulk. It&#8217;s presence?</p>
<p> Gravitational waves and the theoretcial implication of defining this energy mass, as two parts of the same thing. Just further defined, and pointing in refinement literature of reductionistic idealizations. Missing energy?</p>
<p>Having this historical overlay in today&#8217;s understanding is a powerful metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: Science to Seduce at Kyun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science to Seduce at Kyun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read what others thought of the program at CosmicVariance. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aristotle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aristotle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I _used_ to be a theoretical physicist, but now I&#039;m a government bureaucrat also &quot;paid to think&quot;. I actually didn&#039;t like it all that much, and my wife, a musician, liked it even less.

The dramatisations were _way_ over the top we thought. It was also, like your typical science-on-TV show, excruciatingly slow moving and repetitious: it could all have been said in half the time.

Also, the entire 2 hours (minus about 25 minutes for the commercials) were devoted to Einstein&#039;s &quot;afterthought&quot;, E=mc^2. Nothing at all about the other great discoveries of 1905: Brownian motion, SToR, or the photoelectric effect. Just E=mc^2.

And the implication that ordinary KE (E ~ v^2) somehow &quot;presaged&quot; Einstein to some extent was just wierd.

Ergo, disappointing.

My 2p worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I _used_ to be a theoretical physicist, but now I&#8217;m a government bureaucrat also &#8220;paid to think&#8221;. I actually didn&#8217;t like it all that much, and my wife, a musician, liked it even less.</p>
<p>The dramatisations were _way_ over the top we thought. It was also, like your typical science-on-TV show, excruciatingly slow moving and repetitious: it could all have been said in half the time.</p>
<p>Also, the entire 2 hours (minus about 25 minutes for the commercials) were devoted to Einstein&#8217;s &#8220;afterthought&#8221;, E=mc^2. Nothing at all about the other great discoveries of 1905: Brownian motion, SToR, or the photoelectric effect. Just E=mc^2.</p>
<p>And the implication that ordinary KE (E ~ v^2) somehow &#8220;presaged&#8221; Einstein to some extent was just wierd.</p>
<p>Ergo, disappointing.</p>
<p>My 2p worth.</p>
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		<title>By: DouglasG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DouglasG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand their desire to put women farther forward into the scientific picture, I think they overstated Emilie du Chatelet&#039;s position.  She agreed with Leibniz, but he is scarcely mentioned.  They mention nothing of the rivalry between Newton and Leibniz over the invention of Calculus (which Leibniz published first.)  This division isolated England as most of the rest of the world used the easier to understand Leibniz version of Calculus.  Thus, most of France would have been on Leibniz&#039;s side during this period.  (Perhaps not in Physics, but certainly in mathematics.)  Thus, many scientists would have agreed with Leibniz.  It wasn&#039;t until later was Newton given more respect for his work.  Further, Willem &#039;sGravesande performed the experiment verifying Leibniz.  Thus, all she did was publish the findings and gather together some French minds (which included Voltaire).  Don&#039;t get me wrong, she was an extraordinary person and helpful in distributing scientific knowledge, but she was a synthesizer not a creator.  She was a translator and disseminator, but how far would this dissemination go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand their desire to put women farther forward into the scientific picture, I think they overstated Emilie du Chatelet&#8217;s position.  She agreed with Leibniz, but he is scarcely mentioned.  They mention nothing of the rivalry between Newton and Leibniz over the invention of Calculus (which Leibniz published first.)  This division isolated England as most of the rest of the world used the easier to understand Leibniz version of Calculus.  Thus, most of France would have been on Leibniz&#8217;s side during this period.  (Perhaps not in Physics, but certainly in mathematics.)  Thus, many scientists would have agreed with Leibniz.  It wasn&#8217;t until later was Newton given more respect for his work.  Further, Willem &#8217;sGravesande performed the experiment verifying Leibniz.  Thus, all she did was publish the findings and gather together some French minds (which included Voltaire).  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, she was an extraordinary person and helpful in distributing scientific knowledge, but she was a synthesizer not a creator.  She was a translator and disseminator, but how far would this dissemination go?</p>
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