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		<title>By: Uncertainty - Asymptotia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/03/three-proposals-of-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-6073</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncertainty - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The audience was exactly what I&#8217;d dreamed of -or more appropriately, what the Provost had conjured up when he pitched the Arts and Humanities Initiative to all of us (see my earlier posts for extracts of his speech, here  and here)- there were students and faculty from from an astonishing cross-section of the numerous schools, departments and programs that one can encounter by tracing a random 20 minute path through the campus on foot. I&#8217;m lucky enough to know a lot of these people, so it was a pleasure to look into the audience and see faculty, students and other friends from from Physics and Astronomy sitting next to faculty, students and other friends I know from the music school; and behind friends from the English department; right across from friends from political science who in turn were near a students and faculty from the school of theatre, of cinema-television, etc. It was rather like happens when you invite friends from lots of different cicles to all come together to meet each other at a dinner party at your house. You&#8217;re excited since you&#8217;ve always wondered what it would be like to bring these people together, but you don&#8217;t know how it is going to turn out&#8230;.but you&#8217;re sure it will be interesting. And maybe that&#8217;s enough to make it worthwhile. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The audience was exactly what I&#8217;d dreamed of -or more appropriately, what the Provost had conjured up when he pitched the Arts and Humanities Initiative to all of us (see my earlier posts for extracts of his speech, here  and here)- there were students and faculty from from an astonishing cross-section of the numerous schools, departments and programs that one can encounter by tracing a random 20 minute path through the campus on foot. I&#8217;m lucky enough to know a lot of these people, so it was a pleasure to look into the audience and see faculty, students and other friends from from Physics and Astronomy sitting next to faculty, students and other friends I know from the music school; and behind friends from the English department; right across from friends from political science who in turn were near a students and faculty from the school of theatre, of cinema-television, etc. It was rather like happens when you invite friends from lots of different cicles to all come together to meet each other at a dinner party at your house. You&#8217;re excited since you&#8217;ve always wondered what it would be like to bring these people together, but you don&#8217;t know how it is going to turn out&#8230;.but you&#8217;re sure it will be interesting. And maybe that&#8217;s enough to make it worthwhile. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Visions and Voices - Asymptotia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Visions and Voices - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He then invited faculty to write letters of intent (and later, proposals) describing programs that they might want to see (and help make) happen on campus. In collaboration with other colleagues, I put in three. Actually, as I type, I recall that I blogged about this last year in my &#8220;Three Proposals of Marriage&#8221; post. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] He then invited faculty to write letters of intent (and later, proposals) describing programs that they might want to see (and help make) happen on campus. In collaboration with other colleagues, I put in three. Actually, as I type, I recall that I blogged about this last year in my &#8220;Three Proposals of Marriage&#8221; post. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tales From The Industry, V &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/03/three-proposals-of-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-6070</link>
		<dc:creator>Tales From The Industry, V &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oliver and I gave a quick introduction to how we came to work together, what our motivations were/are, etc. We also had a question and answer session afterwards. I&#8217;ve no idea what I said in detail (I was in the middle of jetlag haze) but I certainly took the opportunity to explain my motivations in general terms (science education, breaking down the public&#8217;s fear of science and scientists, etc&#8230;..see the earlier posts (links e.g., here, here and here.) Speaking to a number of actors, and writers afterwards also gave me the chance to appeal to them to seek out opportunities to write and perform works where science and scientists are just as much a part of the tapestry of society as doctors, lawyers, sportspeople, politicians, etc. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oliver and I gave a quick introduction to how we came to work together, what our motivations were/are, etc. We also had a question and answer session afterwards. I&#8217;ve no idea what I said in detail (I was in the middle of jetlag haze) but I certainly took the opportunity to explain my motivations in general terms (science education, breaking down the public&#8217;s fear of science and scientists, etc&#8230;..see the earlier posts (links e.g., here, here and here.) Speaking to a number of actors, and writers afterwards also gave me the chance to appeal to them to seek out opportunities to write and perform works where science and scientists are just as much a part of the tapestry of society as doctors, lawyers, sportspeople, politicians, etc. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tales From The Industry, IV &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/03/three-proposals-of-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-6071</link>
		<dc:creator>Tales From The Industry, IV &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One of the things that contributed to my insanely busy existence toward the end of last year was an unusual project that I was involved in. I was writing a play. It arose out of my often-expressed (on this blog) view that we need more (and better, and more varied) portrayals of science and scientists in the media and the arts, as part of the all-important effort to reduce the public&#8217;s fear of science, and to thereby aid in the process of achieving a better baseline of science education and critical thinking about science issues on the part of the general public. I won&#8217;t go into it again here. You can read ever so many posts I&#8217;ve written about it by looking in the archives (links e.g., here and here.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the things that contributed to my insanely busy existence toward the end of last year was an unusual project that I was involved in. I was writing a play. It arose out of my often-expressed (on this blog) view that we need more (and better, and more varied) portrayals of science and scientists in the media and the arts, as part of the all-important effort to reduce the public&#8217;s fear of science, and to thereby aid in the process of achieving a better baseline of science education and critical thinking about science issues on the part of the general public. I won&#8217;t go into it again here. You can read ever so many posts I&#8217;ve written about it by looking in the archives (links e.g., here and here.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tales From The Industry, II &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/03/three-proposals-of-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-6069</link>
		<dc:creator>Tales From The Industry, II &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s an additional exciting note&#8230;albeit a footnote. There was a scientist there too. Perhaps, given his social agenda (links e.g., here and here), there&#8217;ll be a bit of science sprinkled in the new forms too. At least a bit more than there is in the raditional forms now. Cross your fingers for luck, please. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here&#8217;s an additional exciting note&#8230;albeit a footnote. There was a scientist there too. Perhaps, given his social agenda (links e.g., here and here), there&#8217;ll be a bit of science sprinkled in the new forms too. At least a bit more than there is in the raditional forms now. Cross your fingers for luck, please. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 01:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spyder..... thanks for the remarks. Interesting.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spyder&#8230;.. thanks for the remarks. Interesting.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/03/three-proposals-of-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-6067</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford, your third key &quot;marriage&quot; proposal is, for now, the most easily doable.  It can be done with relatively (had to use that term) modest financial assistance, linking films and their filmmakers, along with other media producers, with a group of scientists who have the time and energy to participate in an evening, or even a year&#039;s worth of monthly screenings.  I say films only because logistically they can be accessed and presented for minimal fees, which would provide the foundation for subsequent series that could present short plays, poetry jams, even musical productions.  We, the folks i work with, do these sorts of things w/ political, environmental, and social justice activism all the time.  It would seem a focus on science would not be at all difficult.

Total aside here:
If readers in LA are interested in what crazy wild creative Burning Man people do in the winter time: please consider attending Sea of Dreams for NYE (this goes for SanFran Bay Area people as well).  This sort of event could provide fodder for creative ideas without limits for the science communities.
http://www.anonsalon.com/seaofdreams05/LA/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford, your third key &#8220;marriage&#8221; proposal is, for now, the most easily doable.  It can be done with relatively (had to use that term) modest financial assistance, linking films and their filmmakers, along with other media producers, with a group of scientists who have the time and energy to participate in an evening, or even a year&#8217;s worth of monthly screenings.  I say films only because logistically they can be accessed and presented for minimal fees, which would provide the foundation for subsequent series that could present short plays, poetry jams, even musical productions.  We, the folks i work with, do these sorts of things w/ political, environmental, and social justice activism all the time.  It would seem a focus on science would not be at all difficult.</p>
<p>Total aside here:<br />
If readers in LA are interested in what crazy wild creative Burning Man people do in the winter time: please consider attending Sea of Dreams for NYE (this goes for SanFran Bay Area people as well).  This sort of event could provide fodder for creative ideas without limits for the science communities.<br />
<a href="http://www.anonsalon.com/seaofdreams05/LA/" rel="nofollow">http://www.anonsalon.com/seaofdreams05/LA/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 03:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the TV show Numb3rs?

Seems to integrate science nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the TV show Numb3rs?</p>
<p>Seems to integrate science nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: From Experience to Metaphor &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/03/three-proposals-of-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-6065</link>
		<dc:creator>From Experience to Metaphor &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sean       &#171; Three Proposals of Marriage &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sean       &laquo; Three Proposals of Marriage &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Irvin,

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/11/onion-signatures.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Onion People&lt;/a&gt; are not Wizardary.

 They are real, although they might not like the insinuation, it developed from within their conceptual framework to relate what and how these detectors are constructed.

If one extends their scientific background to a possible route that would jell with the populace, then it would have to find examples that would take the &quot;rigidity of science &quot;and make it playful and entertaining at a very fundamental level. With &quot;Alice&quot; it became very clear that Lewis Carroll &#039;s mathematics was embedded in a story form that quickly reminds one of the photon&#039;s journey into the world on the other side. :)

http://www.msnbc.com/news/201650.asp?cp1=1

Some were quick to pick up on the &quot;sound analogy&quot; of strings and make insinuating remarks about the very idea. But as I relate this extension to a very fundamental issue it deals directly with the foundation.

Yes some work at the very basement of these ideas and yes they have contributed to the signatures and design of the detectors, but this does not dissaude one from taking hold of the populace&#039;s idea about science and bringing it to the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Irvin,</p>
<p>The <a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/11/onion-signatures.html" rel="nofollow">Onion People</a> are not Wizardary.</p>
<p> They are real, although they might not like the insinuation, it developed from within their conceptual framework to relate what and how these detectors are constructed.</p>
<p>If one extends their scientific background to a possible route that would jell with the populace, then it would have to find examples that would take the &#8220;rigidity of science &#8220;and make it playful and entertaining at a very fundamental level. With &#8220;Alice&#8221; it became very clear that Lewis Carroll &#8217;s mathematics was embedded in a story form that quickly reminds one of the photon&#8217;s journey into the world on the other side. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/201650.asp?cp1=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.com/news/201650.asp?cp1=1</a></p>
<p>Some were quick to pick up on the &#8220;sound analogy&#8221; of strings and make insinuating remarks about the very idea. But as I relate this extension to a very fundamental issue it deals directly with the foundation.</p>
<p>Yes some work at the very basement of these ideas and yes they have contributed to the signatures and design of the detectors, but this does not dissaude one from taking hold of the populace&#8217;s idea about science and bringing it to the table.</p>
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