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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7461</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned Wright: True, they&#039;re not point masses. I agree, and hence my explanation involving moments of inertia and friction and rolling, etc. I only brought up poiint masses in response to an earlier questioner. (#3)

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned Wright: True, they&#8217;re not point masses. I agree, and hence my explanation involving moments of inertia and friction and rolling, etc. I only brought up poiint masses in response to an earlier questioner. (#3)</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Wright</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7460</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nothing else, I m good at these multiple choice tests.  So 6 out of 6 to go with 990 on the Physics GRE, nearly 4 decades ago.  Of course the wooden ball would break the plane first because it is bigger.  But I know not to worry about such stuff, or friction etc. in the made of world of these tests.  But Clifford, they aren&#039;t point masses at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nothing else, I m good at these multiple choice tests.  So 6 out of 6 to go with 990 on the Physics GRE, nearly 4 decades ago.  Of course the wooden ball would break the plane first because it is bigger.  But I know not to worry about such stuff, or friction etc. in the made of world of these tests.  But Clifford, they aren&#8217;t point masses at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7459</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess one had to encompass &quot;all the thinking&quot; and show what &lt;a href=&quot;http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/11/unity-of-disparate-pieces.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;existed beyond this&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess one had to encompass &#8220;all the thinking&#8221; and show what <a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/11/unity-of-disparate-pieces.html" rel="nofollow">existed beyond this</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7458</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the exact same reaction to #6. And don&#039;t mention his name. He might google....

(#3 skirts very close to the usual misunderstanding of Heisenberg, but I guess it&#039;s still legit.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the exact same reaction to #6. And don&#8217;t mention his name. He might google&#8230;.</p>
<p>(#3 skirts very close to the usual misunderstanding of Heisenberg, but I guess it&#8217;s still legit.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McIrvin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7457</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt McIrvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually got #5 flat-out wrong because, off the cuff and it having been a while since I was a freshman class TA, I misremembered how moment of inertia entered into it and thought the density of the ball might make a difference there.  (But it is true that you have to assume they&#039;re rolling ideally, that there&#039;s no sticking resistance or air resistance to consider and that the balls are both solid and of constant density inside.) Had I not been over-thinking it I&#039;d have gotten it right.

The answer to #1 could be &quot;all or several of the above&quot;, right?  I mean, sure, most of the radiation is infrared but it&#039;s probably some sort of continuous spectrum.  If it&#039;s an ideal blackbody, then all frequencies are emitted to some degree.

For #3, the most obvious answer is (b) but you could probably come up with situations under which (c) and (d) are correct as well if you squint hard enough.  I suppose it depends on how you define, say, the velocity operator in the theory you&#039;re considering (which is a tricky issue in itself), and what definition of mass you use.  They just have to be noncommuting.  (...unless *Heisenberg&#039;s* uncertainty principle is specifically the p/x one, I suppose.)

And, yes, I had the same objection several other posters did to #6, specifically because I&#039;ve participated in a million frustrating Usenet arguments with Tom van Flandern about the speed of gravity in which the role of conservation conditions in general relativity turned out to be very important to the question.  If it had only asked &quot;if the sun stopped shining...&quot; it would be much easier to answer.  Though, come to think of it, you could still have lots of fun arguing about what &quot;right now&quot; means in this context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually got #5 flat-out wrong because, off the cuff and it having been a while since I was a freshman class TA, I misremembered how moment of inertia entered into it and thought the density of the ball might make a difference there.  (But it is true that you have to assume they&#8217;re rolling ideally, that there&#8217;s no sticking resistance or air resistance to consider and that the balls are both solid and of constant density inside.) Had I not been over-thinking it I&#8217;d have gotten it right.</p>
<p>The answer to #1 could be &#8220;all or several of the above&#8221;, right?  I mean, sure, most of the radiation is infrared but it&#8217;s probably some sort of continuous spectrum.  If it&#8217;s an ideal blackbody, then all frequencies are emitted to some degree.</p>
<p>For #3, the most obvious answer is (b) but you could probably come up with situations under which (c) and (d) are correct as well if you squint hard enough.  I suppose it depends on how you define, say, the velocity operator in the theory you&#8217;re considering (which is a tricky issue in itself), and what definition of mass you use.  They just have to be noncommuting.  (&#8230;unless *Heisenberg&#8217;s* uncertainty principle is specifically the p/x one, I suppose.)</p>
<p>And, yes, I had the same objection several other posters did to #6, specifically because I&#8217;ve participated in a million frustrating Usenet arguments with Tom van Flandern about the speed of gravity in which the role of conservation conditions in general relativity turned out to be very important to the question.  If it had only asked &#8220;if the sun stopped shining&#8230;&#8221; it would be much easier to answer.  Though, come to think of it, you could still have lots of fun arguing about what &#8220;right now&#8221; means in this context.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7456</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To find the answer, use google to search for images of rainbows. If the background sky is bright you can&#039;t see the effect, but if the rainbow is bright and the background is dark, the effect is quite striking, I think. I&#039;ve also seen this first hand, which is why started thinking about it. What is going on? (I think I know, but I haven&#039;t seen it described anywhere.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_principle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Fermat&#039;s principle assures that the angles given by Snell&#039;s law always reflect light&#039;s quickest path between P and Q.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To find the answer, use google to search for images of rainbows. If the background sky is bright you can&#8217;t see the effect, but if the rainbow is bright and the background is dark, the effect is quite striking, I think. I&#8217;ve also seen this first hand, which is why started thinking about it. What is going on? (I think I know, but I haven&#8217;t seen it described anywhere.)</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_principle" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>Fermat&#8217;s principle assures that the angles given by Snell&#8217;s law always reflect light&#8217;s quickest path between P and Q.</p></blockquote>
<p></a></p>
<p>????</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Snyder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7455</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin-

You might enjoy watching MIT professor Walter Lewin &lt;a href=&quot;http://mitworld.mit.edu/play/33/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lecture&lt;/a&gt; on the rainbow. He explains what&#039;s going on.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin-</p>
<p>You might enjoy watching MIT professor Walter Lewin <a href="http://mitworld.mit.edu/play/33/" rel="nofollow">lecture</a> on the rainbow. He explains what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7454</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understood 6 as &quot;If the sun stopped radiating / burnt out / no more nuclear power generation&quot;.  Which is a wonderful question, because a good way to model it is to consider photons moving through a cloud of electrons as behaving the same as perfume moving through a room.  The answer: tens of thousands of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understood 6 as &#8220;If the sun stopped radiating / burnt out / no more nuclear power generation&#8221;.  Which is a wonderful question, because a good way to model it is to consider photons moving through a cloud of electrons as behaving the same as perfume moving through a room.  The answer: tens of thousands of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Polhemus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7453</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Polhemus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to make another attempt at Sean&#039;s challenge of coming up with a brief but thought provoking question.  This one is related to the other physics education post:

When you look at a rainbow you see the arcs of color, often against a dark backdrop of clouds.  You also see the grayish mist of the falling rain.  Where does the mist appear brighter?

a) inside the rainbow
b) outside the rainbow
c) the brightness is the same inside and outside
d) it varies

To find the answer, use google to search for images of rainbows.  If the background sky is bright you can&#039;t see the effect, but if the rainbow is bright and the background is dark, the effect is quite striking, I think.  I&#039;ve also seen this first hand, which is why started thinking about it.  What is going on?  (I think I know, but I haven&#039;t seen it described anywhere.)

Gavin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to make another attempt at Sean&#8217;s challenge of coming up with a brief but thought provoking question.  This one is related to the other physics education post:</p>
<p>When you look at a rainbow you see the arcs of color, often against a dark backdrop of clouds.  You also see the grayish mist of the falling rain.  Where does the mist appear brighter?</p>
<p>a) inside the rainbow<br />
b) outside the rainbow<br />
c) the brightness is the same inside and outside<br />
d) it varies</p>
<p>To find the answer, use google to search for images of rainbows.  If the background sky is bright you can&#8217;t see the effect, but if the rainbow is bright and the background is dark, the effect is quite striking, I think.  I&#8217;ve also seen this first hand, which is why started thinking about it.  What is going on?  (I think I know, but I haven&#8217;t seen it described anywhere.)</p>
<p>Gavin</p>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7452</link>
		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to interpret &quot;the Sun disappeared&quot; as &quot;the Sun no longer appeared,&quot; that is, stopped being visible.  One way this could happen without violating many popular physical theories would be if somebody (Vogons perhaps) inserted a moderately large sheet of non transparent material (aluminum foil, say) between us and the sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to interpret &#8220;the Sun disappeared&#8221; as &#8220;the Sun no longer appeared,&#8221; that is, stopped being visible.  One way this could happen without violating many popular physical theories would be if somebody (Vogons perhaps) inserted a moderately large sheet of non transparent material (aluminum foil, say) between us and the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7451</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Electromagnetism&quot; was the common phenomenon I was looking for, and &quot;heat from a radiator&quot; was a really bad example; should have picked something where the heat was more purely radiative and not convective.

But there are different answers one could plausibly defend, and that&#039;s okay.  It&#039;s not about getting a grade, it&#039;s about understanding the unity of disparate natural phenomena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Electromagnetism&#8221; was the common phenomenon I was looking for, and &#8220;heat from a radiator&#8221; was a really bad example; should have picked something where the heat was more purely radiative and not convective.</p>
<p>But there are different answers one could plausibly defend, and that&#8217;s okay.  It&#8217;s not about getting a grade, it&#8217;s about understanding the unity of disparate natural phenomena.</p>
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		<title>By: Quibbler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7450</link>
		<dc:creator>Quibbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Which of these is not an example of the same underlying physical phenomenon?

a) heat from a radiator
b) music from a violin
c) radio waves from a broadcast tower
d) light from an incandescent bulb
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my answer is b) music.

the others are all examples of electomagnetic waves:  radio waves, visible light, infra red (radiators really heat rooms by convection, but the radiator will lose some heat in the form of infra red radiation, no?).

--Q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Which of these is not an example of the same underlying physical phenomenon?</p>
<p>a) heat from a radiator<br />
b) music from a violin<br />
c) radio waves from a broadcast tower<br />
d) light from an incandescent bulb
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<p>my answer is b) music.</p>
<p>the others are all examples of electomagnetic waves:  radio waves, visible light, infra red (radiators really heat rooms by convection, but the radiator will lose some heat in the form of infra red radiation, no?).</p>
<p>&#8211;Q</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7449</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;the sun disappeared&quot; should be interpreted as &quot;sun stopped radiating in the optical frequencies&quot;.  This would not violate general relativity :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;the sun disappeared&#8221; should be interpreted as &#8220;sun stopped radiating in the optical frequencies&#8221;.  This would not violate general relativity <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Sean&#039;s question:

I&#039;m hoping it&#039;s fairly obvious that the primary difference between (b) &quot;music from a violin&quot; and the other choices is that the medium of propagation for sound (compression of the atmosphere, to put it simply) is different than for the other choices (wave propagation of electromagnetic).  In space, no one can hear you play Vivaldi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Sean&#8217;s question:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping it&#8217;s fairly obvious that the primary difference between (b) &#8220;music from a violin&#8221; and the other choices is that the medium of propagation for sound (compression of the atmosphere, to put it simply) is different than for the other choices (wave propagation of electromagnetic).  In space, no one can hear you play Vivaldi.</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7447</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops .. correction to post #34.

There is no physical principle that I know of, categorizing certain kinds of SOUNDS as music and others as mere noise.</description>
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<p>There is no physical principle that I know of, categorizing certain kinds of SOUNDS as music and others as mere noise.</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7446</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

I&#039;ll make a stab at answering your quiz: my choice is (b) music from a violin. The key word as I see it, is *music*. Now if you had used the word &quot;noise&quot; instead, I would not have selected it. There is no physical principle that I know of, categorizing certain kinds of noise as music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll make a stab at answering your quiz: my choice is (b) music from a violin. The key word as I see it, is *music*. Now if you had used the word &#8220;noise&#8221; instead, I would not have selected it. There is no physical principle that I know of, categorizing certain kinds of noise as music.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7445</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Even if you take the string theorists viewpoint that the energy may &quot;leak&quot; away into a brane instead of actually disappearing I think I&#039;m correct in saying that you still need to ensure that energy is conserved regardless. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

While some might of thought it &quot;dreamy,&quot; there is a direct physics correlation to that leaking in the collider. Although it is encompassed, like you said.

So where did it go, and how is &quot;it&quot; encompassed? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even if you take the string theorists viewpoint that the energy may &#8220;leak&#8221; away into a brane instead of actually disappearing I think I&#8217;m correct in saying that you still need to ensure that energy is conserved regardless. </p></blockquote>
<p>While some might of thought it &#8220;dreamy,&#8221; there is a direct physics correlation to that leaking in the collider. Although it is encompassed, like you said.</p>
<p>So where did it go, and how is &#8220;it&#8221; encompassed? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: damtp_dweller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/11/22/pop-quiz-in-guardian/comment-page-1/#comment-7444</link>
		<dc:creator>damtp_dweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Couldn&#039;t the Sun theoretically vanish in a theory with infinite extra dimensions?&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t know. GR is my area of quasi-expertise so I&#039;d feel nervous about commenting on theories outside that. There are two important points to note however. Firstly, regardless of how many dimensions a theory requires one would assume that it must still obey the usual sanity requirements associated with &quot;ordinary&quot; theories. The most important of these is that the energy of a system must be conserved in some sense. I&#039;m unable to see how going to extra dimensions would allow one to dispense with energy conservation. Even if you take the string theorists viewpoint that the energy may &quot;leak&quot; away into a brane instead of actually disappearing I think I&#039;m correct in saying that you still need to ensure that energy is conserved regardless. Presumably, (n-&gt;oo)-dimensional models should still contain some conservation laws that prohibit such things occurring.

Secondly, show me a working theory of gravity coupled to matter fields in infinite dimensions.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t know. GR is my area of quasi-expertise so I&#8217;d feel nervous about commenting on theories outside that. There are two important points to note however. Firstly, regardless of how many dimensions a theory requires one would assume that it must still obey the usual sanity requirements associated with &#8220;ordinary&#8221; theories. The most important of these is that the energy of a system must be conserved in some sense. I&#8217;m unable to see how going to extra dimensions would allow one to dispense with energy conservation. Even if you take the string theorists viewpoint that the energy may &#8220;leak&#8221; away into a brane instead of actually disappearing I think I&#8217;m correct in saying that you still need to ensure that energy is conserved regardless. Presumably, (n-&gt;oo)-dimensional models should still contain some conservation laws that prohibit such things occurring.</p>
<p>Secondly, show me a working theory of gravity coupled to matter fields in infinite dimensions.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damtp_dweller: &#039;&#039;Number 6 is perhaps the question which needs to be phrased most carefully. The answer to the question &quot;If the Sun were to disappear right now, how long would it be before we noticed?&quot; is not (a), (b), or ( c) but &quot;We wouldn&#039;t notice it because, according to general relativity, such things are forbidden by conservation of energy-momentum.&quot; &#039;&#039;

Couldn&#039;t the Sun theoretically vanish in a theory with infinite extra dimensions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damtp_dweller: &#8221;Number 6 is perhaps the question which needs to be phrased most carefully. The answer to the question &#8220;If the Sun were to disappear right now, how long would it be before we noticed?&#8221; is not (a), (b), or ( c) but &#8220;We wouldn&#8217;t notice it because, according to general relativity, such things are forbidden by conservation of energy-momentum.&#8221; &#8221;</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t the Sun theoretically vanish in a theory with infinite extra dimensions?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Gralla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Gralla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I scored 100%.  I guess this means I&#039;m ready for my qualifier!</description>
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