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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/01/farewell-to-limbo/comment-page-1/#comment-7982</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science is not inflexible or flexible. It is a process whereby ideas about how reality work are continually tested against that reality in a feedback loop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science is not inflexible or flexible. It is a process whereby ideas about how reality work are continually tested against that reality in a feedback loop.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/01/farewell-to-limbo/comment-page-1/#comment-7981</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belizean,

They&#039;d have a long way to go from the archaic, to present day solutions. This doesn&#039;t dis-avow good thinking intelligence amongst the hierarchy, but there is a class distinction that has to be upheld?

What needs to be upheld in science is and has been tried and tested, and is open to theoretcial idealizations as long as they issue from some &quot;guiding principal.&quot;

There is a lot of room here in terms of definitions of what might behind the creations in terms of a God, right from atheistic as Sean teaches to some guiding principal behind the matter consolidations and buddhist teaching about responsibility?

Who said one couldn&#039;t learn when they had applied thinking, but from the class distinction of religiousness of the Catholic system, how could you compare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belizean,</p>
<p>They&#8217;d have a long way to go from the archaic, to present day solutions. This doesn&#8217;t dis-avow good thinking intelligence amongst the hierarchy, but there is a class distinction that has to be upheld?</p>
<p>What needs to be upheld in science is and has been tried and tested, and is open to theoretcial idealizations as long as they issue from some &#8220;guiding principal.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a lot of room here in terms of definitions of what might behind the creations in terms of a God, right from atheistic as Sean teaches to some guiding principal behind the matter consolidations and buddhist teaching about responsibility?</p>
<p>Who said one couldn&#8217;t learn when they had applied thinking, but from the class distinction of religiousness of the Catholic system, how could you compare?</p>
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		<title>By: Belizean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/01/farewell-to-limbo/comment-page-1/#comment-7980</link>
		<dc:creator>Belizean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how the public perception of Catholicism is affected by a change in its doctrines?  My guess is that the Church is held in &lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; esteem.

How, then, can the public perception of Physics not be similarly affected by the inevitable changes in its &quot;doctrines&quot;?

Interestingly, it seems that inflexibility might be widely perceived as a virtue in religion and a vice in science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the public perception of Catholicism is affected by a change in its doctrines?  My guess is that the Church is held in <i>less</i> esteem.</p>
<p>How, then, can the public perception of Physics not be similarly affected by the inevitable changes in its &#8220;doctrines&#8221;?</p>
<p>Interestingly, it seems that inflexibility might be widely perceived as a virtue in religion and a vice in science.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Pohl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/01/farewell-to-limbo/comment-page-1/#comment-7979</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt Pohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend who&#039;s studying to be a Catholic theologian, and he tells me that it is an open question in Catholic theology as to whether &lt;em&gt;anyone&lt;/em&gt; is in hell.  As I understand it, there are two competing interpretations: a)  Christians who sincerely repent do not go to hell (confession is a method of repenting, but not strictly necessary) and Christians and non-Christians who commit sins that they do not understand are sins do not go to hell.  The only way to go to hell would be to do  something you deliberately know is wrong, and not repent it afterwards.  b) Virtuous non-Christians go to hell, but hell for them is not that bad (a la Dante).  One notion is that Hell is not in itself a punishment, just not being in the presence of God after you die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend who&#8217;s studying to be a Catholic theologian, and he tells me that it is an open question in Catholic theology as to whether <em>anyone</em> is in hell.  As I understand it, there are two competing interpretations: a)  Christians who sincerely repent do not go to hell (confession is a method of repenting, but not strictly necessary) and Christians and non-Christians who commit sins that they do not understand are sins do not go to hell.  The only way to go to hell would be to do  something you deliberately know is wrong, and not repent it afterwards.  b) Virtuous non-Christians go to hell, but hell for them is not that bad (a la Dante).  One notion is that Hell is not in itself a punishment, just not being in the presence of God after you die.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoAnne --

The RC Church believes some words of Jesus:  &quot;Whatever is bound on earth is bound in Heaven, whatever is loosed on earth is loosed in Heaven.&quot;  So this is how a human committee, rather than God, can decide what metaphysical entities do or do not exist.

This belief in the ultimate authority of man over God would enable all manner of adjustments to official RC belief (eg, over contraception, women priests, etc) if only anyone in charge was minded to use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoAnne &#8211;</p>
<p>The RC Church believes some words of Jesus:  &#8220;Whatever is bound on earth is bound in Heaven, whatever is loosed on earth is loosed in Heaven.&#8221;  So this is how a human committee, rather than God, can decide what metaphysical entities do or do not exist.</p>
<p>This belief in the ultimate authority of man over God would enable all manner of adjustments to official RC belief (eg, over contraception, women priests, etc) if only anyone in charge was minded to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: island</title>
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		<dc:creator>island</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Al drinks like a Catholic... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Al drinks like a Catholic&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....how about we just stay &quot;real&quot; as to the consequences of our actions?

That we never recognized how far reaching this could have been implicated beyond the confines of causal order? That it might have a deeper connection to karmic ties? That what was once spooky to einstein, has now amazing entangling properties :)

&quot;Like winning the lottey and getting hit by a car.&quot; Then making a list to making amends ( what&#039;s the name of the TV series escapes me right now) :)

The &quot;Limbo Religion&quot; tried to take care of this, but has failed:) A 538 AD constanople thingy I think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.how about we just stay &#8220;real&#8221; as to the consequences of our actions?</p>
<p>That we never recognized how far reaching this could have been implicated beyond the confines of causal order? That it might have a deeper connection to karmic ties? That what was once spooky to einstein, has now amazing entangling properties <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Like winning the lottey and getting hit by a car.&#8221; Then making a list to making amends ( what&#8217;s the name of the TV series escapes me right now) <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The &#8220;Limbo Religion&#8221; tried to take care of this, but has failed:) A 538 AD constanople thingy I think?</p>
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		<title>By: erc</title>
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		<dc:creator>erc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my God... (oops...there I go, sinning again). I&#039;m going to the &lt;i&gt;Seventh&lt;/i&gt; Circle! Even if Mark were to give me a drink as I pass you guys on the way there, it&#039;s so hot that far in it would all boil away. ;(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my God&#8230; (oops&#8230;there I go, sinning again). I&#8217;m going to the <i>Seventh</i> Circle! Even if Mark were to give me a drink as I pass you guys on the way there, it&#8217;s so hot that far in it would all boil away. ;(</p>
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		<title>By: invcit</title>
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		<dc:creator>invcit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up in a fundamentalist Christian home, I was taught that:

1. Everyone is born with the original sin, and will go to hell if they do not accept Jesus as their personal saviour.

2. In the eyes of God all sins count equally, i e by committing them you deserve hell.

3. Even if someone accepts Jesus, they will go to hell if they committed the so-called spiritual sin, sin against the Holy Ghost.

We have had many earthly leaders who lead societies in which people who do not believe their dogma or are not among the chosen few, are sent to Siberia or to concentration camps. Christians believe that something rather similar are happening on an eternal scale, and they are willing to follow a God who will enforce this scheme. I think they most often don&#039;t see the seriousness of it, because even to believers, it does seem quite unreal, supposedly happening after death and so on, but if you think about it, it is a very scary - not just a silly and unproven - world view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up in a fundamentalist Christian home, I was taught that:</p>
<p>1. Everyone is born with the original sin, and will go to hell if they do not accept Jesus as their personal saviour.</p>
<p>2. In the eyes of God all sins count equally, i e by committing them you deserve hell.</p>
<p>3. Even if someone accepts Jesus, they will go to hell if they committed the so-called spiritual sin, sin against the Holy Ghost.</p>
<p>We have had many earthly leaders who lead societies in which people who do not believe their dogma or are not among the chosen few, are sent to Siberia or to concentration camps. Christians believe that something rather similar are happening on an eternal scale, and they are willing to follow a God who will enforce this scheme. I think they most often don&#8217;t see the seriousness of it, because even to believers, it does seem quite unreal, supposedly happening after death and so on, but if you think about it, it is a very scary &#8211; not just a silly and unproven &#8211; world view.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are? Well, as of this moment, they&#039;re on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!

Dean Wormer  - Animal House</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are? Well, as of this moment, they&#8217;re on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!</p>
<p>Dean Wormer  &#8211; Animal House</p>
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