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		<title>By: s</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8052</link>
		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 01:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, didn&#039;t you see Ferris Buehler&#039;s Day Off?  You&#039;re supposed to tip the guy when you get there - a &quot;five-sky&quot; will do  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, didn&#8217;t you see Ferris Buehler&#8217;s Day Off?  You&#8217;re supposed to tip the guy when you get there &#8211; a &#8220;five-sky&#8221; will do  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8092</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spyder, you illustrate my point rather nicely. This is utterly utterly ridiculous. Why not just pay them a decent wage to do the job and not leave us to sit there calculating how far the parking lot is, how many cars this valet might have driven, and the like. I repeat: Ridiculous. We are feeding this ridiculousness and making it way worse with all this social pressure to tip and make yourself feel good.

In summary, I tip generously &lt;em&gt;as I see fit&lt;/em&gt;. That is what a tip is supposed to be about. And I am very reluctant to tip when it is not a service I asked for either! I do it to thank for good service and NOT to make myself feel like a good person, and not because of some idiotic statistic about how various ethnic groups are supposed to tip (Belizean #36). If I want to make myself feel like a good peraon, there are several other ways of doing so....

Cheers,


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spyder, you illustrate my point rather nicely. This is utterly utterly ridiculous. Why not just pay them a decent wage to do the job and not leave us to sit there calculating how far the parking lot is, how many cars this valet might have driven, and the like. I repeat: Ridiculous. We are feeding this ridiculousness and making it way worse with all this social pressure to tip and make yourself feel good.</p>
<p>In summary, I tip generously <em>as I see fit</em>. That is what a tip is supposed to be about. And I am very reluctant to tip when it is not a service I asked for either! I do it to thank for good service and NOT to make myself feel like a good person, and not because of some idiotic statistic about how various ethnic groups are supposed to tip (Belizean #36). If I want to make myself feel like a good peraon, there are several other ways of doing so&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8091</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it matters, then maybe a bit of background on LALA land valet service would be in order.  Essentially valet service providers operate along three different &quot;sets.&quot;
Basic deal: They will charge the client a healthy fee which will include wages, gratutities and of course insurance costs.  Then they hire the best looking, most athletic, relatively competent drivers they can, along with some supervisory staff, security, and most importantly, vehicle parking spots.  This is a big deal, and if the underlying costs become too exhorbitant the actual valets get the short end of the deal.  Most who do that job  are using it to pay for a living, whether they are college students, hopeful artists in LALA performing arts, or just some  other need.  Thus the tips they generate are either pooled to be equitably distributed or are theirs alone, which is usually up to the service: to get more active quicker valets the provider will leave tips up to the individual; to get a more efficient service, the provider will encourage tip pooling.  All of this will depend on the second problem.

Location: Depending upon the location of the party, the distance between the scene and the various places to park cars, the provider determines a flexible rate for the crew.  If the party was up north of Sunset or in the west hombly hills, upper brentwood, santa monica canyon ans so forth, the service charges more because there are lots of hills and little immediate available parking.  If the party is in some major business district, then parking is easier and the costs drop some.  If the party is in neighborhoods then the cost is inbetween.  If your party is in the &quot;rich&quot; hilllands then please tip the valets, as they have to run up and down along streets picking up this or that car and so forth.  If it is near a business district with lots of parking lots and still a private party, don&#039;t tip so much, the work is easy.

Competition:  There is lots of it both in services and in what is happening that night.  If it is a busy party night in town, and in LALA that is generally true, most of the valets are committed and tipping is hugely appreciated by all concerned.  This is because there is lots of available services and that drops the overall prices which increases the need for the tips by the grunts.  These are big businesses, growing up out of the Events industry starting in my day back in the 60&#039;s.  Enterprising college students looking for ways to make bucks came up with great schemes and the valet one is very lucrative: for the management and supervisors, not so for those actually doing the work.

Please be modestly generous.  If you feel you can spare $2 do so.  A simple rule of thumb is to calculate how many vehicles each valet will park and then retrieve.  Two trips per one tip times x number of cars.  If the number of valets is low and lots of cars they are going to make good tip money.  If the number of valets is high relative to the cars they aren&#039;t and thus can use a higher tip.

My old buddies run one of the more prominent and hugely successful westside LA valet and parking concerns, and have done so since the later 70s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it matters, then maybe a bit of background on LALA land valet service would be in order.  Essentially valet service providers operate along three different &#8220;sets.&#8221;<br />
Basic deal: They will charge the client a healthy fee which will include wages, gratutities and of course insurance costs.  Then they hire the best looking, most athletic, relatively competent drivers they can, along with some supervisory staff, security, and most importantly, vehicle parking spots.  This is a big deal, and if the underlying costs become too exhorbitant the actual valets get the short end of the deal.  Most who do that job  are using it to pay for a living, whether they are college students, hopeful artists in LALA performing arts, or just some  other need.  Thus the tips they generate are either pooled to be equitably distributed or are theirs alone, which is usually up to the service: to get more active quicker valets the provider will leave tips up to the individual; to get a more efficient service, the provider will encourage tip pooling.  All of this will depend on the second problem.</p>
<p>Location: Depending upon the location of the party, the distance between the scene and the various places to park cars, the provider determines a flexible rate for the crew.  If the party was up north of Sunset or in the west hombly hills, upper brentwood, santa monica canyon ans so forth, the service charges more because there are lots of hills and little immediate available parking.  If the party is in some major business district, then parking is easier and the costs drop some.  If the party is in neighborhoods then the cost is inbetween.  If your party is in the &#8220;rich&#8221; hilllands then please tip the valets, as they have to run up and down along streets picking up this or that car and so forth.  If it is near a business district with lots of parking lots and still a private party, don&#8217;t tip so much, the work is easy.</p>
<p>Competition:  There is lots of it both in services and in what is happening that night.  If it is a busy party night in town, and in LALA that is generally true, most of the valets are committed and tipping is hugely appreciated by all concerned.  This is because there is lots of available services and that drops the overall prices which increases the need for the tips by the grunts.  These are big businesses, growing up out of the Events industry starting in my day back in the 60&#8242;s.  Enterprising college students looking for ways to make bucks came up with great schemes and the valet one is very lucrative: for the management and supervisors, not so for those actually doing the work.</p>
<p>Please be modestly generous.  If you feel you can spare $2 do so.  A simple rule of thumb is to calculate how many vehicles each valet will park and then retrieve.  Two trips per one tip times x number of cars.  If the number of valets is low and lots of cars they are going to make good tip money.  If the number of valets is high relative to the cars they aren&#8217;t and thus can use a higher tip.</p>
<p>My old buddies run one of the more prominent and hugely successful westside LA valet and parking concerns, and have done so since the later 70s.</p>
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		<title>By: citrine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8090</link>
		<dc:creator>citrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford,

Maybe you could give the valet an autographed copy of something you&#039;ve published. This may

* get him/ her interested in string theory
* fetch him/ her a good price on e-bay or its future equivalent in, say, 60 yrs when the famous Dr.Clifford J. is no more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford,</p>
<p>Maybe you could give the valet an autographed copy of something you&#8217;ve published. This may</p>
<p>* get him/ her interested in string theory<br />
* fetch him/ her a good price on e-bay or its future equivalent in, say, 60 yrs when the famous Dr.Clifford J. is no more.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8089</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, based on first hand personal observation,  my guess is that Feynmann would have met someone at the party and gotten a ride home with her after taking a cab to the party.

Elliot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, based on first hand personal observation,  my guess is that Feynmann would have met someone at the party and gotten a ride home with her after taking a cab to the party.</p>
<p>Elliot</p>
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		<title>By: Belizean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8088</link>
		<dc:creator>Belizean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford,

This is one of the few areas of life in which I find myself actually being conscious of of being black.   As described in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;c2coff=1&amp;q=blacks+tipping&amp;btnG=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this news story from NPR on the &quot;Tipping Divide&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, blacks have a reputation for under tipping.

So, perhaps irrationally, I usually tip generously.  My valet tip is always $5.

The other reason that I do so is that I seldom feel good about under tipping, and it&#039;s easily worth a couple of bucks to feel better.  [I make exceptions for truly horrid service, of course.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford,</p>
<p>This is one of the few areas of life in which I find myself actually being conscious of of being black.   As described in <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;c2coff=1&amp;q=blacks+tipping&amp;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">this news story from NPR on the &#8220;Tipping Divide&#8221;</a>, blacks have a reputation for under tipping.</p>
<p>So, perhaps irrationally, I usually tip generously.  My valet tip is always $5.</p>
<p>The other reason that I do so is that I seldom feel good about under tipping, and it&#8217;s easily worth a couple of bucks to feel better.  [I make exceptions for truly horrid service, of course.]</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8087</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tip the kid five bucks; you ARE in L.A., after all.</description>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8086</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Pyracantha, from what we&#039;ve be led to beleive by his unbiased writings about himself, he would have outwitted everyone in a seven mile radius, and driven home a nicer car than he came with, and he probably would have also  taken the nice young pretty valet home to bed. Or if she was a philosophy major, told her she&#039;s pointless, but still slept with her. None of this would really resolve the problem, to my mind! This is why I &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; ask WWFD!

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Pyracantha, from what we&#8217;ve be led to beleive by his unbiased writings about himself, he would have outwitted everyone in a seven mile radius, and driven home a nicer car than he came with, and he probably would have also  taken the nice young pretty valet home to bed. Or if she was a philosophy major, told her she&#8217;s pointless, but still slept with her. None of this would really resolve the problem, to my mind! This is why I <em>never</em> ask WWFD!</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Pyracantha</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8083</link>
		<dc:creator>Pyracantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just use the &quot;WWFD&quot; rule in social occasions a physicist must attend:

&quot;What would Feynman do?&quot; :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just use the &#8220;WWFD&#8221; rule in social occasions a physicist must attend:</p>
<p>&#8220;What would Feynman do?&#8221; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: diddidit</title>
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		<dc:creator>diddidit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s a girl valet, flirt, then overtip. If it&#039;s a guy, look down your nose at him, then make sports references, then overtip. Bottom line - overtip, unless someone&#039;s overtly jerkish.

Of course, I&#039;d planned to go to be early tonight, and it&#039;s rolling up a two on the clock, and I live in Podunk, Michigan, so feel absolutely free to ignore me if you like, especially if the tipping thing&#039;s been resolved already.

did</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s a girl valet, flirt, then overtip. If it&#8217;s a guy, look down your nose at him, then make sports references, then overtip. Bottom line &#8211; overtip, unless someone&#8217;s overtly jerkish.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;d planned to go to be early tonight, and it&#8217;s rolling up a two on the clock, and I live in Podunk, Michigan, so feel absolutely free to ignore me if you like, especially if the tipping thing&#8217;s been resolved already.</p>
<p>did</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8085</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dampt_dweller, steveM,

About the book, &quot;D-branes&quot;. Thank you! People do seem to like the pedagogy I tried to bring out.( Others treat my attempt at pedagogy as a symptom of triviality. Over the years, my papers suffer from this kind of treatment too: clear and understandable=trivial in some theoretical physics circles unfortunately....you can&#039;t win.) I prefer to err on the side of pedagogy, so it is  nice to be told that it&#039;s appreciated.

Yes, there are some really embarrassing typos. Not only is Riemann wrong in the early pages, but so is the covariante derivative, and other terms..... sigh... But luckily those are easy to catch if you&#039;re working through....but that is no excuse. Some errors are mine and a ton were introduced by a bizarre copy-editing experience I won&#039;t go into. Safe to say that they&#039;ve changed their practices in that area now and I would publish with them again. Google D-branes, Johnson and Errata together and you should find an errata page that I wrote. It has not been updated for a very long time now and there are several more (smaller) errors that have been found since. Let me know and I will figure out the link for you if you can&#039;t find it.

The complete set of corrections were all going to appear in a third printing of the book, but we changed our minds since not enough of you are buying it now to do another whole printing...so instead it is going to become a &quot;print to order&quot; paperback until I get around to writing a second edition with more chapters and more fun stuff. (That will probably not happen too soon because I blog too much.)

And then there&#039;s a plan in the back of my mind (and in some notebooks) to do a whole new volume....with some fun stuff in it. But then, I&#039;ve a lot of things in the back of my mind, and most of them are best left there.

And then there&#039;s that completely different book project I should tell you all about some time.....once I&#039;ve written it. It&#039;s a fun and unusual idea. Just got to get around to finding the time.....and a bold publisher.......

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dampt_dweller, steveM,</p>
<p>About the book, &#8220;D-branes&#8221;. Thank you! People do seem to like the pedagogy I tried to bring out.( Others treat my attempt at pedagogy as a symptom of triviality. Over the years, my papers suffer from this kind of treatment too: clear and understandable=trivial in some theoretical physics circles unfortunately&#8230;.you can&#8217;t win.) I prefer to err on the side of pedagogy, so it is  nice to be told that it&#8217;s appreciated.</p>
<p>Yes, there are some really embarrassing typos. Not only is Riemann wrong in the early pages, but so is the covariante derivative, and other terms&#8230;.. sigh&#8230; But luckily those are easy to catch if you&#8217;re working through&#8230;.but that is no excuse. Some errors are mine and a ton were introduced by a bizarre copy-editing experience I won&#8217;t go into. Safe to say that they&#8217;ve changed their practices in that area now and I would publish with them again. Google D-branes, Johnson and Errata together and you should find an errata page that I wrote. It has not been updated for a very long time now and there are several more (smaller) errors that have been found since. Let me know and I will figure out the link for you if you can&#8217;t find it.</p>
<p>The complete set of corrections were all going to appear in a third printing of the book, but we changed our minds since not enough of you are buying it now to do another whole printing&#8230;so instead it is going to become a &#8220;print to order&#8221; paperback until I get around to writing a second edition with more chapters and more fun stuff. (That will probably not happen too soon because I blog too much.)</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s a plan in the back of my mind (and in some notebooks) to do a whole new volume&#8230;.with some fun stuff in it. But then, I&#8217;ve a lot of things in the back of my mind, and most of them are best left there.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s that completely different book project I should tell you all about some time&#8230;..once I&#8217;ve written it. It&#8217;s a fun and unusual idea. Just got to get around to finding the time&#8230;..and a bold publisher&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole tipping culture makes me sick. A friend told me that until fairly recently tipping was unknown in Australia. What a paradise! Sadly the US influence is creeping in there too. Where can I go to live without this noxious custom??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole tipping culture makes me sick. A friend told me that until fairly recently tipping was unknown in Australia. What a paradise! Sadly the US influence is creeping in there too. Where can I go to live without this noxious custom??</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the tipping: Thanks guys, but you&#039;re missing that there&#039;a distinction here. I&#039;m not talking about a public valet service, I&#039;m talking about a privately hired service for a private function. The rules are not the same.

On another note, I generally have to say that I don&#039;t buy the whole guilt trip that is usually put on one about tipping irrespective of service. I recall several occasions when I&#039;ve had lousy service in a restaurant and was still bullied by my dining companions to give the full &quot;service&quot; tip anyhow...some  story about how accounting includes the tip, etc, etc. Well, fine, but if it is for service, and the service is crap, then I reserve the right to reduce the amount... otherwise how are we to ever get better service?

If the system of remuneration for work, etc, in that industry is broken in some way, I don&#039;t see how it is to  be mended by buying into the flaws of the system..... anyway, I won&#039;t get started on this since it is another topic.

The point here is that there is a different system in operation for privately hired valet service -  or so I have been led to understand...by tipping for a service that they have already been fully paid for, you are inflating and distorting the system.....creating expectations...and allowing the bosses of the valet company to cream off more of the lump sum outlay on the expectation that the rest will be made up by tips.

Furthermore....... (he stands on his milk carton now)... I did not choose to use the valet service. This is what is most annoying about a lot of these situations. I would have been perfectly happy to be directed to  parking and park my car myself, and walk ten minute if I had to. So I also object to having to be forced to pay for this because there is an expectation that I will be delighted to have some high school kid screw up my transmission. The whole valet parking thing in LA annoys me intensely. Everybody wants to be treated like a movie star.... and for those who don&#039;t you get forced into it anyway because people assume that you want to be treated like a movie star.  (In reality I want to be treated like a star writer-director..... ok just kidding.)

Thanks all. I took the aforementioned advice of Cathy, who -probably more than any of us- actually regularly goes to these things!

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the tipping: Thanks guys, but you&#8217;re missing that there&#8217;a distinction here. I&#8217;m not talking about a public valet service, I&#8217;m talking about a privately hired service for a private function. The rules are not the same.</p>
<p>On another note, I generally have to say that I don&#8217;t buy the whole guilt trip that is usually put on one about tipping irrespective of service. I recall several occasions when I&#8217;ve had lousy service in a restaurant and was still bullied by my dining companions to give the full &#8220;service&#8221; tip anyhow&#8230;some  story about how accounting includes the tip, etc, etc. Well, fine, but if it is for service, and the service is crap, then I reserve the right to reduce the amount&#8230; otherwise how are we to ever get better service?</p>
<p>If the system of remuneration for work, etc, in that industry is broken in some way, I don&#8217;t see how it is to  be mended by buying into the flaws of the system&#8230;.. anyway, I won&#8217;t get started on this since it is another topic.</p>
<p>The point here is that there is a different system in operation for privately hired valet service &#8211;  or so I have been led to understand&#8230;by tipping for a service that they have already been fully paid for, you are inflating and distorting the system&#8230;..creating expectations&#8230;and allowing the bosses of the valet company to cream off more of the lump sum outlay on the expectation that the rest will be made up by tips.</p>
<p>Furthermore&#8230;&#8230;. (he stands on his milk carton now)&#8230; I did not choose to use the valet service. This is what is most annoying about a lot of these situations. I would have been perfectly happy to be directed to  parking and park my car myself, and walk ten minute if I had to. So I also object to having to be forced to pay for this because there is an expectation that I will be delighted to have some high school kid screw up my transmission. The whole valet parking thing in LA annoys me intensely. Everybody wants to be treated like a movie star&#8230;. and for those who don&#8217;t you get forced into it anyway because people assume that you want to be treated like a movie star.  (In reality I want to be treated like a star writer-director&#8230;.. ok just kidding.)</p>
<p>Thanks all. I took the aforementioned advice of Cathy, who -probably more than any of us- actually regularly goes to these things!</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Anon.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NL,

I don&#039;t see any expression of &quot;miserly tendencies&quot; here -- at a private party, it&#039;s not at all clear that one should tip. It&#039;s an entirely legitimate question to have.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t see any expression of &#8220;miserly tendencies&#8221; here &#8212; at a private party, it&#8217;s not at all clear that one should tip. It&#8217;s an entirely legitimate question to have.</p>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
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		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 05:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinatra to valet parker:  &quot;What&#039;s the most you ever got tipped?&quot;

Parking guy:  $100, Mr. Sinatra.

Sinatra gives him $200, and asks: &quot;Who gave you the $100?&quot;

Parking guy: &quot;That would be you, Mr. Sinatra.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinatra to valet parker:  &#8220;What&#8217;s the most you ever got tipped?&#8221;</p>
<p>Parking guy:  $100, Mr. Sinatra.</p>
<p>Sinatra gives him $200, and asks: &#8220;Who gave you the $100?&#8221;</p>
<p>Parking guy: &#8220;That would be you, Mr. Sinatra.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin, MarkS' meanie brother</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/socal-etiquette-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-8078</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin, MarkS' meanie brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much does $5 mean to you?  How much difference will $5 mean to someone pulling minimum wage?  I kick in the extra bucks when I have them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much does $5 mean to you?  How much difference will $5 mean to someone pulling minimum wage?  I kick in the extra bucks when I have them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: damtp_dweller</title>
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		<dc:creator>damtp_dweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@steveM: I&#039;ve had a bit more time to read through the book and I&#039;m suitably impressed so far. I&#039;ve been most pleasantly surprised at the quality of the pedagogy; as far as I&#039;m aware this is Clifford&#039;s first book and yet he is able to explain topics unusually well. Just as well as Sean Carroll did in his GR notes in fact. Again, I stress that I bought the book only today but it does look like it will be useful.

The Cambridge monographs are a great series by the way. CUP seem to publish a great number of titles of interest to physicists. In fact, I&#039;m going to get Hawking &amp; Gibbons tomorrow if they&#039;ve got it in stock. I also highly recommend John Stewart&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Advanced General Relativity&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steveM: I&#8217;ve had a bit more time to read through the book and I&#8217;m suitably impressed so far. I&#8217;ve been most pleasantly surprised at the quality of the pedagogy; as far as I&#8217;m aware this is Clifford&#8217;s first book and yet he is able to explain topics unusually well. Just as well as Sean Carroll did in his GR notes in fact. Again, I stress that I bought the book only today but it does look like it will be useful.</p>
<p>The Cambridge monographs are a great series by the way. CUP seem to publish a great number of titles of interest to physicists. In fact, I&#8217;m going to get Hawking &amp; Gibbons tomorrow if they&#8217;ve got it in stock. I also highly recommend John Stewart&#8217;s <i>Advanced General Relativity</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: damtp_dweller</title>
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		<dc:creator>damtp_dweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I&#039;ve noticed that miserliness, and its ruder cousin, restaurant-localized cheapness, are endemic in physics, for reasons I don&#039;t quite understand...&lt;/i&gt;

This is a habit picked up through necessity when one is in grad school. Didn&#039;t you get the email? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I&#8217;ve noticed that miserliness, and its ruder cousin, restaurant-localized cheapness, are endemic in physics, for reasons I don&#8217;t quite understand&#8230;</i></p>
<p>This is a habit picked up through necessity when one is in grad school. Didn&#8217;t you get the email? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NL</title>
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		<dc:creator>NL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford-

Re: your miserly tendencies, I&#039;ve often found that a good antidote is the realization that the service employee&#039;s wage is often set &lt;em&gt;accounting for&lt;/em&gt; a certain level of tipping, and not tipping based on the idea that they&#039;re already getting paid is refusing to play by the rules of the game; admirable, but rather than screwing the system, it&#039;s screwing the little guy.


(Oddly, I&#039;ve noticed that miserliness, and its ruder cousin, restaurant-localized cheapness,  are endemic in physics, for reasons I don&#039;t quite understand...)</description>
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<p>Re: your miserly tendencies, I&#8217;ve often found that a good antidote is the realization that the service employee&#8217;s wage is often set <em>accounting for</em> a certain level of tipping, and not tipping based on the idea that they&#8217;re already getting paid is refusing to play by the rules of the game; admirable, but rather than screwing the system, it&#8217;s screwing the little guy.</p>
<p>(Oddly, I&#8217;ve noticed that miserliness, and its ruder cousin, restaurant-localized cheapness,  are endemic in physics, for reasons I don&#8217;t quite understand&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: NL</title>
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		<dc:creator>NL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No question:   a couple bucks.    Perhaps the host may have taken care of some sort of tip, yet one is not karmically excused from offering one of one&#039;s own.</description>
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