Comments on: The Inverse Brain Drain http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/ Random samplings from a universe of ideas. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:44:11 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Plato http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-7991 Plato Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:01:37 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/#comment-7991 If one removes the borders, of an idealization on which Perimeter was established, then I think boths sides of the border would benefit greatly? But under the austerity program, of such leading institutions that would use islam, or the reverse of religiousness, in the American system, aren't they doing the same thing by isolating people from the true roads of responsibilty we can have about the socialogical foundations of free and democratic societies? If one removes the borders, of an idealization on which Perimeter was established, then I think boths sides of the border would benefit greatly?

But under the austerity program, of such leading institutions that would use islam, or the reverse of religiousness, in the American system, aren’t they doing the same thing by isolating people from the true roads of responsibilty we can have about the socialogical foundations of free and democratic societies?

]]> By: Moshe http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-7990 Moshe Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:15:18 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/#comment-7990 That's addressed in the piece, the California money is apparently frozen in litigation, so it is not just the federal administration that is doing the damage. That’s addressed in the piece, the California money is apparently frozen in litigation, so it is not just the federal administration that is doing the damage.

]]> By: Belizean http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-7989 Belizean Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:10:03 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/#comment-7989 It might help to keep in mind that stem cell research is not banned in the U.S. Only federal funding of it. For example, the state of California set aside $3 billion for it. The lion's share of such research has moved to the private sector, mostly big pharmaceutical and biomed companies. It might help to keep in mind that stem cell research is not banned in the U.S. Only federal funding of it.

For example, the state of California set aside $3 billion for it. The lion’s share of such research has moved to the private sector, mostly big pharmaceutical and biomed companies.

]]> By: Amara http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-7988 Amara Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:05:40 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/#comment-7988 >the eu is doubling it's science budget Er, in Italy wishing that were true, but it is not. In Italy, it is still decreasing, and the 'Brain Drain' is more true than ever. Research funding in Italy is under 1% GDP now (perhaps even 0.5%). Last week's The Economist "Survey on Italy" can provide more background on the conditions : http://www.economist.com/surveys/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5164061 >the eu is doubling it’s science budget

Er, in Italy wishing that were true, but it is not. In Italy, it is still decreasing, and the ‘Brain Drain’ is more true than ever. Research funding in Italy is under 1% GDP now (perhaps even 0.5%). Last week’s The Economist “Survey on Italy” can provide more background on the conditions :
http://www.economist.com/surveys/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5164061

]]> By: andrew http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-7987 andrew Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:59:41 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/#comment-7987 stem cell a go-go though is happening in seoul with johns hopkins and harvard both building hospitals so they can do research in these fields. it's funny that our colleges are starting to act like arms contrators building annexes outside of the u.s. so they can do what they want. anyway, regardless of what would have happened do to Bush the biological sciences are getting the push elsewhere (read singapore and south korea and china) while they're getting shit upon in the u.s. with competition for researchers going up to new heights (the eu is doubling it's science budget, china and japan are too etc.) it's just fucking ridicilous to treat researchers or anyone in the knowledge base industries or academia this way. stem cell a go-go though is happening in seoul with johns hopkins and harvard both building hospitals so they can do research in these fields. it’s funny that our colleges are starting to act like arms contrators building annexes outside of the u.s. so they can do what they want. anyway, regardless of what would have happened do to Bush the biological sciences are getting the push elsewhere (read singapore and south korea and china) while they’re getting shit upon in the u.s. with competition for researchers going up to new heights (the eu is doubling it’s science budget, china and japan are too etc.) it’s just fucking ridicilous to treat researchers or anyone in the knowledge base industries or academia this way.

]]> By: Amara http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-7986 Amara Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:02:09 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/#comment-7986 It's also called 'voting with your feet'. I have astronomy friends (NASA) who are considering moving to Australia because the Homeland Security environment has become too unbearable. All of the European scientists I know hate US travel for similar reasons and avoid it when they can. I know your focus is the 'religious corruption' but US science is hurt in other areas by the Bush administration policies as well. It’s also called ‘voting with your feet’. I have astronomy friends (NASA) who are considering moving to Australia because the Homeland Security environment has become too unbearable. All of the European scientists I know hate US travel for similar reasons and avoid it when they can. I know your focus is the ‘religious corruption’ but US science is hurt in other areas by the Bush administration policies as well.

]]> By: Moshe http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-7985 Moshe Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:15:20 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/#comment-7985 Agreed, this was meant to be read as "every cloud has silver lining" comment, the cloud's existence is not in question. Agreed, this was meant to be read as “every cloud has silver lining” comment, the cloud’s existence is not in question.

]]> By: Sean http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-7984 Sean Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:10:23 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/#comment-7984 Moshe, I tend to agree that spreading science around is a good thing for humanity overall. However, that's really only true if it's because other countries have caught up to our high standards, not because we are creating an increasingly inhospitable environment. Moshe, I tend to agree that spreading science around is a good thing for humanity overall. However, that’s really only true if it’s because other countries have caught up to our high standards, not because we are creating an increasingly inhospitable environment.

]]> By: Moshe http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/comment-page-1/#comment-7983 Moshe Fri, 02 Dec 2005 05:40:10 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/02/the-inverse-brain-drain/#comment-7983 I think I made this sort of comment before, obviously a big loss for US science, but from the science interest viepoint, spreading out and reducing dependence on a single political system may be the key for long term sustainability. Just a thought. I think I made this sort of comment before, obviously a big loss for US science, but from the science interest viepoint, spreading out and reducing dependence on a single political system may be the key for long term sustainability. Just a thought.

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