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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/08/mind/comment-page-1/#comment-8373</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 12:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amara,

It is nice to look for these histories and follow them to origination.....

Nice poem of yours :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amara,</p>
<p>It is nice to look for these histories and follow them to origination&#8230;..</p>
<p>Nice poem of yours <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/08/mind/comment-page-1/#comment-8374</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14 Elliot: Maybe base, but it made me laugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 Elliot: Maybe base, but it made me laugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/08/mind/comment-page-1/#comment-8375</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6: erc: Wislawa Szymborska poetry always makes me sad...

#8: Anna : I took the poetry from _The Complete Poems of Cavafy_ translated by Rae Dalven, Harvest Books, 1976

#13 Plato
Perhaps Godfrey Saxe made poetry out of this ancient Sufi story:

An elephant belonging to a traveling exhibition had been stabled near a town where no elephant had been seen before. Four curious citizens, hearing of the hidden wonder, went to see if they could get a preview of it. When they arrived at the stable they found that there was no light. The investigation therefore had to be carried out in the dark.

One touching its trunk, thought that the creature must resemble a hosepipe; the second felt an ear and concluded that it was a fan. The third, feeling a leg, could liken it only to a living pillar; and when the fourth put his hand on its back he was convinced it was some kind of throne. None could form the complete picture; and of the part which each felt, he could only refer to it in terms of things which he already knew. The result of the expedition was confusion. Each was sure that he was right; none of the other townspeople could understand what had happened, what the investigators had actually experienced.

(from chapter &quot;The Elephant in the Dark&quot; in The Sufis by Idries Shah, 1964)

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Golden Threads

When I am stripped to my essence,
sublimely precious
is the small, the shadow, the trace.

Childrens&#039; questions heard in passing through a door.
A muddy footprint planted on a hallway floor.

Whiffs of garlic through an open pane.
A missing cosine angle, searched for in vain.

A cuckoo from a clock heard while in bed.
Olive oil dripping from a piece of fresh bread.

A misdirected email from a woman in pain.
A dog&#039;s sorrowful eyes seen through the rain.

The hands in a photograph of a long lost world.
Reading glasses on a table with one stem uncurled.

Elements weaving through the fabric of my life,
these are the golden threads,
which become the cloak, which I wear
to keep me warm.

Amara Lynn Graps 4 March 2001</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6: erc: Wislawa Szymborska poetry always makes me sad&#8230;</p>
<p>#8: Anna : I took the poetry from _The Complete Poems of Cavafy_ translated by Rae Dalven, Harvest Books, 1976</p>
<p>#13 Plato<br />
Perhaps Godfrey Saxe made poetry out of this ancient Sufi story:</p>
<p>An elephant belonging to a traveling exhibition had been stabled near a town where no elephant had been seen before. Four curious citizens, hearing of the hidden wonder, went to see if they could get a preview of it. When they arrived at the stable they found that there was no light. The investigation therefore had to be carried out in the dark.</p>
<p>One touching its trunk, thought that the creature must resemble a hosepipe; the second felt an ear and concluded that it was a fan. The third, feeling a leg, could liken it only to a living pillar; and when the fourth put his hand on its back he was convinced it was some kind of throne. None could form the complete picture; and of the part which each felt, he could only refer to it in terms of things which he already knew. The result of the expedition was confusion. Each was sure that he was right; none of the other townspeople could understand what had happened, what the investigators had actually experienced.</p>
<p>(from chapter &#8220;The Elephant in the Dark&#8221; in The Sufis by Idries Shah, 1964)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Golden Threads</p>
<p>When I am stripped to my essence,<br />
sublimely precious<br />
is the small, the shadow, the trace.</p>
<p>Childrens&#8217; questions heard in passing through a door.<br />
A muddy footprint planted on a hallway floor.</p>
<p>Whiffs of garlic through an open pane.<br />
A missing cosine angle, searched for in vain.</p>
<p>A cuckoo from a clock heard while in bed.<br />
Olive oil dripping from a piece of fresh bread.</p>
<p>A misdirected email from a woman in pain.<br />
A dog&#8217;s sorrowful eyes seen through the rain.</p>
<p>The hands in a photograph of a long lost world.<br />
Reading glasses on a table with one stem uncurled.</p>
<p>Elements weaving through the fabric of my life,<br />
these are the golden threads,<br />
which become the cloak, which I wear<br />
to keep me warm.</p>
<p>Amara Lynn Graps 4 March 2001</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/08/mind/comment-page-1/#comment-8376</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok after everyone has waxed eloquent this is going to sound fairly base but here goes:

When reading a cosmic v. thread
it stimulates cells in my head
but then if the topic
turns slightly anthropic
I say better off dead than read</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok after everyone has waxed eloquent this is going to sound fairly base but here goes:</p>
<p>When reading a cosmic v. thread<br />
it stimulates cells in my head<br />
but then if the topic<br />
turns slightly anthropic<br />
I say better off dead than read</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a little prep here in relations to the following poem.

It&#039;s quite a common poem here seen by those who have been involved in the quantum gravity issues. So I thought to give this more for the general public, and for those who needed to understand how different approaches are part and parcel of the same quest for describing and loking for this emergent property( like Sean saids we have to be careful)in regards to quantum gravity. What are the rules that define it?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Blind Men and the Elephant&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;em&gt;John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887)&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
&quot;God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a WALL!&quot;


The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, &quot;Ho, what have we here,
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me &#039;tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a SPEAR!&quot;

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
&quot;I see,&quot; quoth he, &quot;the Elephant
Is very like a SNAKE!&quot;

The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee
&quot;What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain,&quot; quoth he:
&quot;&#039;Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a TREE!&quot;

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: &quot;E&#039;en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a FAN!&quot;

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
&quot;I see,&quot; quoth he, &quot;the Elephant
Is very like a ROPE!&quot;

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Moral:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://hinduism.about.com/od/hinduismforkids/a/blindmen.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a little prep here in relations to the following poem.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite a common poem here seen by those who have been involved in the quantum gravity issues. So I thought to give this more for the general public, and for those who needed to understand how different approaches are part and parcel of the same quest for describing and loking for this emergent property( like Sean saids we have to be careful)in regards to quantum gravity. What are the rules that define it?</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The Blind Men and the Elephant</strong><br />
<em>John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887)</em></p>
<p><em>It was six men of Indostan<br />
To learning much inclined,<br />
Who went to see the Elephant<br />
(Though all of them were blind),<br />
That each by observation<br />
Might satisfy his mind.</p>
<p>The First approached the Elephant,<br />
And happening to fall<br />
Against his broad and sturdy side,<br />
At once began to bawl:<br />
&#8220;God bless me! but the Elephant<br />
Is very like a WALL!&#8221;</p>
<p>The Second, feeling of the tusk,<br />
Cried, &#8220;Ho, what have we here,<br />
So very round and smooth and sharp?<br />
To me &#8217;tis mighty clear<br />
This wonder of an Elephant<br />
Is very like a SPEAR!&#8221;</p>
<p>The Third approached the animal,<br />
And happening to take<br />
The squirming trunk within his hands,<br />
Thus boldly up and spake:<br />
&#8220;I see,&#8221; quoth he, &#8220;the Elephant<br />
Is very like a SNAKE!&#8221;</p>
<p>The Fourth reached out an eager hand,<br />
And felt about the knee<br />
&#8220;What most this wondrous beast is like<br />
Is mighty plain,&#8221; quoth he:<br />
&#8220;&#8216;Tis clear enough the Elephant<br />
Is very like a TREE!&#8221;</p>
<p>The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,<br />
Said: &#8220;E&#8217;en the blindest man<br />
Can tell what this resembles most;<br />
Deny the fact who can,<br />
This marvel of an Elephant<br />
Is very like a FAN!&#8221;</p>
<p>The Sixth no sooner had begun<br />
About the beast to grope,<br />
Than seizing on the swinging tail<br />
That fell within his scope,<br />
&#8220;I see,&#8221; quoth he, &#8220;the Elephant<br />
Is very like a ROPE!&#8221;</p>
<p>And so these men of Indostan<br />
Disputed loud and long,<br />
Each in his own opinion<br />
Exceeding stiff and strong,<br />
Though each was partly in the right,<br />
And all were in the wrong!</em> </p></blockquote>
<p>Moral:</p>
<p><a href="http://hinduism.about.com/od/hinduismforkids/a/blindmen.htm" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>So oft in theologic wars,<br />
The disputants, I ween,<br />
Rail on in utter ignorance<br />
Of what each other mean,<br />
And prate about an Elephant<br />
Not one of them has seen. </p></blockquote>
<p></a></p>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/08/mind/comment-page-1/#comment-8378</link>
		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From one of my more frivolous moments...

Our Unrequited Why

Poetry impugns
A prisoner haunted
Listen

Perhaps this was I
Zeal with gilded word
Verbose

Learn that squirming dance
Open guile once deft
Abide

Circle capricious
My chaste salient
Concrete

Almost an avail
Stiff temerity
Brazen

Drink arid champagne
Ephemeral ice
Warm breath

Bring laughing repose
When dazzle your eye
Blushing

Bleeding universe
Mere ferocious will
Conquer

Desire spurns the dark
Linger to morning
Naked

Remember coffee
Translucent and cold
Turgid

Torpid ocean and
Liquid sky above
Secret</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From one of my more frivolous moments&#8230;</p>
<p>Our Unrequited Why</p>
<p>Poetry impugns<br />
A prisoner haunted<br />
Listen</p>
<p>Perhaps this was I<br />
Zeal with gilded word<br />
Verbose</p>
<p>Learn that squirming dance<br />
Open guile once deft<br />
Abide</p>
<p>Circle capricious<br />
My chaste salient<br />
Concrete</p>
<p>Almost an avail<br />
Stiff temerity<br />
Brazen</p>
<p>Drink arid champagne<br />
Ephemeral ice<br />
Warm breath</p>
<p>Bring laughing repose<br />
When dazzle your eye<br />
Blushing</p>
<p>Bleeding universe<br />
Mere ferocious will<br />
Conquer</p>
<p>Desire spurns the dark<br />
Linger to morning<br />
Naked</p>
<p>Remember coffee<br />
Translucent and cold<br />
Turgid</p>
<p>Torpid ocean and<br />
Liquid sky above<br />
Secret</p>
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		<title>By: Kaushik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/08/mind/comment-page-1/#comment-8379</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo! Here&#039;s my snow contribution. I&#039;m going to state that this poem has an anonymous author since my websearch ended up digging at least two or three authors attributed to writing this poem

THE COLD WITHIN

Six humans trapped by happenstance
in black and bitter cold
Each possessed a stick of wood,
Or so the story&#039;s told.

Their dying fire in need of logs,
the first woman held hers back
For on the faces around the fire
She noticed one was black.

The next man looking &#039;cross the way
Saw one not of his church
And couldn&#039;t bring himself to give
The fire his stick of birch.

The third one sat in tattered clothes
He gave his coat a hitch,
Why should his log be put to use
To warm the idle rich?

The rich man just sat back and thought
Of the wealth he had in store,
And how to keep what he had earned
From the lazy, shiftless poor.

The black man&#039;s face bespoke revenge
As the fire passed from his sight,
For all he saw in his stick of wood
Was a chance to spite the white.

And the last man of this forlorn group
Did naught except for gain,
Giving only to those who gave
Was how he played the game.

The logs held tight in death&#039;s stilled hands
Was proof of human sin,
They didn&#039;t die from the cold without,
They died from the cold within.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo! Here&#8217;s my snow contribution. I&#8217;m going to state that this poem has an anonymous author since my websearch ended up digging at least two or three authors attributed to writing this poem</p>
<p>THE COLD WITHIN</p>
<p>Six humans trapped by happenstance<br />
in black and bitter cold<br />
Each possessed a stick of wood,<br />
Or so the story&#8217;s told.</p>
<p>Their dying fire in need of logs,<br />
the first woman held hers back<br />
For on the faces around the fire<br />
She noticed one was black.</p>
<p>The next man looking &#8216;cross the way<br />
Saw one not of his church<br />
And couldn&#8217;t bring himself to give<br />
The fire his stick of birch.</p>
<p>The third one sat in tattered clothes<br />
He gave his coat a hitch,<br />
Why should his log be put to use<br />
To warm the idle rich?</p>
<p>The rich man just sat back and thought<br />
Of the wealth he had in store,<br />
And how to keep what he had earned<br />
From the lazy, shiftless poor.</p>
<p>The black man&#8217;s face bespoke revenge<br />
As the fire passed from his sight,<br />
For all he saw in his stick of wood<br />
Was a chance to spite the white.</p>
<p>And the last man of this forlorn group<br />
Did naught except for gain,<br />
Giving only to those who gave<br />
Was how he played the game.</p>
<p>The logs held tight in death&#8217;s stilled hands<br />
Was proof of human sin,<br />
They didn&#8217;t die from the cold without,<br />
They died from the cold within.</p>
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		<title>By: fh</title>
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		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautifull poetry all, thank you!

Though I had known the two famous lines for a long time I only came across the full poem recently:

Ozymandias

I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed,
And on the pedestal these words appear:
&quot;My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!&quot;
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

-Percy Bysshe Shelley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifull poetry all, thank you!</p>
<p>Though I had known the two famous lines for a long time I only came across the full poem recently:</p>
<p>Ozymandias</p>
<p>I met a traveler from an antique land<br />
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone<br />
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,<br />
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,<br />
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,<br />
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,<br />
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,<br />
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed,<br />
And on the pedestal these words appear:<br />
&#8220;My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:<br />
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!&#8221;<br />
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay<br />
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare<br />
The lone and level sands stretch far away.</p>
<p>-Percy Bysshe Shelley</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/08/mind/comment-page-1/#comment-8382</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone was kind enough before to put this link up for examination. I thought I would return the favor.


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4111253&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;Number theory is the type of math that describes the swirl in the head of a sunflower and the curve of a chambered nautilus. Bhargava says it&#039;s also hidden in the rhythms of classical Indian music, which is both mathematical and improvisational. He sees close links between his two loves -- both create beauty and elegance by weaving together seemingly unconnected ideas&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

While this isn&#039;t a poem below, but a statement about poetry, I thought it relevant here?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nothing to me would be more poetic; no outcome would be more graceful ... than for us to confirm our theories of the ultramicroscopic makeup of spacetime and matter by turning our giant telescopes skyward and gazing at the stars,&lt;/blockquote&gt;Greene said.

The recognition that what could have held the eye to the quantum nature, would now recognzie &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iscap.columbia.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the value&lt;/a&gt; in the stars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone was kind enough before to put this link up for examination. I thought I would return the favor.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4111253" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>Number theory is the type of math that describes the swirl in the head of a sunflower and the curve of a chambered nautilus. Bhargava says it&#8217;s also hidden in the rhythms of classical Indian music, which is both mathematical and improvisational. He sees close links between his two loves &#8212; both create beauty and elegance by weaving together seemingly unconnected ideas</p></blockquote>
<p></a></p>
<p>While this isn&#8217;t a poem below, but a statement about poetry, I thought it relevant here?</p>
<blockquote><p>Nothing to me would be more poetic; no outcome would be more graceful &#8230; than for us to confirm our theories of the ultramicroscopic makeup of spacetime and matter by turning our giant telescopes skyward and gazing at the stars,</p></blockquote>
<p>Greene said.</p>
<p>The recognition that what could have held the eye to the quantum nature, would now recognzie <a href="http://www.iscap.columbia.edu/" rel="nofollow">the value</a> in the stars?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/08/mind/comment-page-1/#comment-8381</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amara,

Thanks for posting &quot;Ithaca&quot; -- it was my most favorite poem when I was a teenager.

I was wondering whose the translation is in the version you posted.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amara,</p>
<p>Thanks for posting &#8220;Ithaca&#8221; &#8212; it was my most favorite poem when I was a teenager.</p>
<p>I was wondering whose the translation is in the version you posted.  Thanks.</p>
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