<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.3.1" -->
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Live-blogging from the lab</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/</link>
	<description>Random samplings from a universe of ideas.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8417</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8417</guid>
		<description>Can these things degenerate into philosophical discourse? By our very names we can implicate ourselves?:)It had to start from someplace. A simple idea to have a &lt;a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/12/decoherence.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;greater context and meaning&lt;/a&gt; established from previous statements and experimental positions.

Of course by desire of experimentation, we don't want string theory to degenrate into a religion, or anything else for that matter.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can these things degenerate into philosophical discourse? By our very names we can implicate ourselves?:)It had to start from someplace. A simple idea to have a <a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/12/decoherence.html" rel="nofollow">greater context and meaning</a> established from previous statements and experimental positions.</p>
<p>Of course by desire of experimentation, we don&#8217;t want string theory to degenrate into a religion, or anything else for that matter.:)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ponderer of things</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8416</link>
		<dc:creator>Ponderer of things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8416</guid>
		<description>Good comments, CMT.
Quantum computing (theory) is a lot closer to mathematics than condensed matter theory, but that's my feeling.

Perhaps one way to make blogging a part of education component is an outreach, which is rewarded by NSF and other agencies. One could setup a blog where they answer basic questions from undergrads and high-schoolers on physics of everyday life, for example (why the sky is blue, why water and oil don't mix, why ice is slippery - that kind of stuff).

I think non-science people can be as fascinated with nanotechnology or biophysics as they are with cosmology or string theory. The trick that good lecturers use is convincing the audience that the science is very simple and make it seem like they understand what is being discussed, even when in reality they are not. It always comes at the risk of dumbing it down to the point when primitive analogies are detrimental to understanding (elemental particles are just like spaghettis or violin strngs, and we are just like ants going along a piece of paper not realizing it's actually 3D instead of 2D - that kind of stuff), but it's better than nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments, CMT.<br />
Quantum computing (theory) is a lot closer to mathematics than condensed matter theory, but that&#8217;s my feeling.</p>
<p>Perhaps one way to make blogging a part of education component is an outreach, which is rewarded by NSF and other agencies. One could setup a blog where they answer basic questions from undergrads and high-schoolers on physics of everyday life, for example (why the sky is blue, why water and oil don&#8217;t mix, why ice is slippery - that kind of stuff).</p>
<p>I think non-science people can be as fascinated with nanotechnology or biophysics as they are with cosmology or string theory. The trick that good lecturers use is convincing the audience that the science is very simple and make it seem like they understand what is being discussed, even when in reality they are not. It always comes at the risk of dumbing it down to the point when primitive analogies are detrimental to understanding (elemental particles are just like spaghettis or violin strngs, and we are just like ants going along a piece of paper not realizing it&#8217;s actually 3D instead of 2D - that kind of stuff), but it&#8217;s better than nothing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: A condensed matter theorist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8415</link>
		<dc:creator>A condensed matter theorist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8415</guid>
		<description>Condensed-matter physics, especially, has been feeling lately that they have a bit of an image problem with the public, and would like to replicate the success of HET in getting nonscience folks interested.  In the last few years there have been numerous proposals for a "top ten" list of big questions in condensed-matter physics to rival similar lists of big questions for HET.  Which, of course, we all know is a copy of a similar list of big questions in mathematics.

I think the nonphysicist public doesn't realize the strong thread of common ideas that runs through all fields of physics, and in particular theoretical physics.  They seem to think theoretical physics is all about studying fundamental questions of the universe and experimental physics is all about technology.  The truth is, we're all in the same department and we all really do speak the same language.  And there is a lot of cross-fertilization between different fields.

Still, there are some differences. Condensed-matter types (esp. experimentalists) need a lot of money to keep their groups working.  If the money doesn't flow, the jig is up, and anything that can be perceived as hurting that flow of money (such as blogging) just won't happen.  Of course, blogging may not have that effect, but it's new and it'll take time to get people to change their ways.  Same goes for students and post-docs.  I wouldn't touch blogging with a ten-foot pole until tenure (and frankly, feel a little uncomfortable commenting on a blog too).  I have no evidence that it will actually hurt me (except by taking away time I could be working), but since I don't know, why should I take the chance?  That said, there are quite a few quantum computing blogs too.

Come to think of it, could you use blogging as part of the education component of your grants?  Any ideas on how to make that work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condensed-matter physics, especially, has been feeling lately that they have a bit of an image problem with the public, and would like to replicate the success of HET in getting nonscience folks interested.  In the last few years there have been numerous proposals for a &#8220;top ten&#8221; list of big questions in condensed-matter physics to rival similar lists of big questions for HET.  Which, of course, we all know is a copy of a similar list of big questions in mathematics.</p>
<p>I think the nonphysicist public doesn&#8217;t realize the strong thread of common ideas that runs through all fields of physics, and in particular theoretical physics.  They seem to think theoretical physics is all about studying fundamental questions of the universe and experimental physics is all about technology.  The truth is, we&#8217;re all in the same department and we all really do speak the same language.  And there is a lot of cross-fertilization between different fields.</p>
<p>Still, there are some differences. Condensed-matter types (esp. experimentalists) need a lot of money to keep their groups working.  If the money doesn&#8217;t flow, the jig is up, and anything that can be perceived as hurting that flow of money (such as blogging) just won&#8217;t happen.  Of course, blogging may not have that effect, but it&#8217;s new and it&#8217;ll take time to get people to change their ways.  Same goes for students and post-docs.  I wouldn&#8217;t touch blogging with a ten-foot pole until tenure (and frankly, feel a little uncomfortable commenting on a blog too).  I have no evidence that it will actually hurt me (except by taking away time I could be working), but since I don&#8217;t know, why should I take the chance?  That said, there are quite a few quantum computing blogs too.</p>
<p>Come to think of it, could you use blogging as part of the education component of your grants?  Any ideas on how to make that work?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ponderer of things</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8414</link>
		<dc:creator>Ponderer of things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8414</guid>
		<description>as we celebrate a year of physics, which is all about Einstein, it makes me wonder if our obsession with Einstein and mathematical approach to physics distorts perception of the world. What about Rutherfords, Comptons, Kelvins, Thompsons etc. - are they someone's idol too?

Seems like everyone wants to be an Einstein - figure out universe by just thinking about it - but as appealing as it may sound, it's a dangerous path. Sometimes I wish more time was devoted to people constantly uncovering secrets of universe on other lengthscales than sub-atomic or cosmological.

Stamp-collecting quote is extremely arrogant and short-sighted in my opinion. Would Rutherford consider Watson and Crick stamp-collectors? Somehow I seriously doubt that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as we celebrate a year of physics, which is all about Einstein, it makes me wonder if our obsession with Einstein and mathematical approach to physics distorts perception of the world. What about Rutherfords, Comptons, Kelvins, Thompsons etc. - are they someone&#8217;s idol too?</p>
<p>Seems like everyone wants to be an Einstein - figure out universe by just thinking about it - but as appealing as it may sound, it&#8217;s a dangerous path. Sometimes I wish more time was devoted to people constantly uncovering secrets of universe on other lengthscales than sub-atomic or cosmological.</p>
<p>Stamp-collecting quote is extremely arrogant and short-sighted in my opinion. Would Rutherford consider Watson and Crick stamp-collectors? Somehow I seriously doubt that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8413</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8413</guid>
		<description>I just wanted to add to my post linked after Uncertain Principles. I expand on the benefits &lt;a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/12/on-blogging-and-experiment.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

The "Future book" still comes to mind here. In a new, and dynamcial way. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to add to my post linked after Uncertain Principles. I expand on the benefits <a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2005/12/on-blogging-and-experiment.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Future book&#8221; still comes to mind here. In a new, and dynamcial way. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: fh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8412</link>
		<dc:creator>fh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8412</guid>
		<description>The stamp collection goes back to Rutherford:

"All science is either Physics or stamp collecting." - Ernest Rutherford

The implication of course being that physics is the only science that has gone beyond classification. An assessment that was less absurd at the beginning of the 20th century when the statement was made.

Still, nobody but high energy physicists have succesfully unified their field to such a degree. Experimentalists work under the clearest condition any experimenter in any science could hope for. To have as your task to scatter a single particle from a single particle...
And theoreticists have managed to distill all this data down to an amazing small set of highly abstract ideas, in the Standard Modell and GR.

I think these achievements are quite unique.

They are, of course, in the subject matter rather then in the abilities of the people in the field.

Perhaps it's that HEP lives often so close to philosophy and philosophy and thus some of their arrogance has transferred to us.


Anyway, I loved the posts about experiment! Fantastic! Such a richness of phenomenons and techniques! Tedious, yes, but hey, it's actually physics! He's actually working with reality! Wow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stamp collection goes back to Rutherford:</p>
<p>&#8220;All science is either Physics or stamp collecting.&#8221; - Ernest Rutherford</p>
<p>The implication of course being that physics is the only science that has gone beyond classification. An assessment that was less absurd at the beginning of the 20th century when the statement was made.</p>
<p>Still, nobody but high energy physicists have succesfully unified their field to such a degree. Experimentalists work under the clearest condition any experimenter in any science could hope for. To have as your task to scatter a single particle from a single particle&#8230;<br />
And theoreticists have managed to distill all this data down to an amazing small set of highly abstract ideas, in the Standard Modell and GR.</p>
<p>I think these achievements are quite unique.</p>
<p>They are, of course, in the subject matter rather then in the abilities of the people in the field.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s that HEP lives often so close to philosophy and philosophy and thus some of their arrogance has transferred to us.</p>
<p>Anyway, I loved the posts about experiment! Fantastic! Such a richness of phenomenons and techniques! Tedious, yes, but hey, it&#8217;s actually physics! He&#8217;s actually working with reality! Wow!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ponderer of things</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8411</link>
		<dc:creator>Ponderer of things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8411</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They work on boring things so they have nothing interesting to talk about.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ha-ha. In all seriousness and all jokes aside, I have a feeling that this kind of superiority complex is rather common among high-energy theorists. I don't think I heard as many denigrating comments from cond matter guys doing fundamental physics about folks doing materials science, chemistry or biophysics.
In fact typically I see a lot of mutual respects among most scientists - from atomic/nanoscale to mesoscale, regardless of whether it's AMO, correlated systems, electronics, materials, chemistry or bio.
But I did hear many comments from HET guys about how all other fields of physics are "stamp collecting". Why is that?

Let's face it - in terms of impact on humanity and our lives, solid state/condensed matter research, materials/chemistry, biophysics, never mind medical research, would be many-fold more influential than all high energy or astrophysics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They work on boring things so they have nothing interesting to talk about.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ha-ha. In all seriousness and all jokes aside, I have a feeling that this kind of superiority complex is rather common among high-energy theorists. I don&#8217;t think I heard as many denigrating comments from cond matter guys doing fundamental physics about folks doing materials science, chemistry or biophysics.<br />
In fact typically I see a lot of mutual respects among most scientists - from atomic/nanoscale to mesoscale, regardless of whether it&#8217;s AMO, correlated systems, electronics, materials, chemistry or bio.<br />
But I did hear many comments from HET guys about how all other fields of physics are &#8220;stamp collecting&#8221;. Why is that?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it - in terms of impact on humanity and our lives, solid state/condensed matter research, materials/chemistry, biophysics, never mind medical research, would be many-fold more influential than all high energy or astrophysics.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: LambchopofGod</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8410</link>
		<dc:creator>LambchopofGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8410</guid>
		<description>Whatever happened to condensed matter guys - both theory and experiment?

They work on boring things so they have nothing interesting to talk about.

Sorry, someone had to say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever happened to condensed matter guys - both theory and experiment?</p>
<p>They work on boring things so they have nothing interesting to talk about.</p>
<p>Sorry, someone had to say it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Count Iblis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8405</link>
		<dc:creator>Count Iblis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8405</guid>
		<description>Uncle Al: &lt;blockquote&gt;Show us an ab inito calculation of Newton's G&lt;/blockquote&gt;

G, like all dimensionful constants, is just an irrelevant conversion factor. Trying to calculate ratios of particle masses to the planck mass does make sense, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Al:<br />
<blockquote>Show us an ab inito calculation of Newton&#8217;s G</p></blockquote>
<p>G, like all dimensionful constants, is just an irrelevant conversion factor. Trying to calculate ratios of particle masses to the planck mass does make sense, though.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: PhilipJ</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8406</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilipJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2005/12/12/live-blogging-from-the-lab/#comment-8406</guid>
		<description>Ponderer,

*shameless plug, follow link above or click &lt;a href="http://biocurious.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for BioCurious*

My co-blogger and I talk about the experimental biophysics work we do in our respective labs as interesting things crop up, amongst the typical science weblog banter.  We're both doing single-molecule work, as you might expect for physicists who are interested in biology.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ponderer,</p>
<p>*shameless plug, follow link above or click <a href="http://biocurious.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a> for BioCurious*</p>
<p>My co-blogger and I talk about the experimental biophysics work we do in our respective labs as interesting things crop up, amongst the typical science weblog banter.  We&#8217;re both doing single-molecule work, as you might expect for physicists who are interested in biology.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
