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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11952</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry,

You really don't want to get me started on the Israelis

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry,</p>
<p>You really don&#8217;t want to get me started on the Israelis<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Harry Springer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11951</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Springer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11951</guid>
		<description>No more morally bankrupt than 20 other administrations.

Do yourself a favor, respect our commonweal by respecting the office,
(if not the incumbent),
gather all your thoughts, and vote your conscience in 2008,
and find some world peccadillo not so close to home
to exercise your blogpower upon.

All the rest of them (China... Iran.... etc.)
just see Americans attacking Americans.....
it gives them bad ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more morally bankrupt than 20 other administrations.</p>
<p>Do yourself a favor, respect our commonweal by respecting the office,<br />
(if not the incumbent),<br />
gather all your thoughts, and vote your conscience in 2008,<br />
and find some world peccadillo not so close to home<br />
to exercise your blogpower upon.</p>
<p>All the rest of them (China&#8230; Iran&#8230;. etc.)<br />
just see Americans attacking Americans&#8230;..<br />
it gives them bad ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11950</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11950</guid>
		<description>Harry you are right. You have had too much coffee :)

I agree there is a yearning for "something" but I think that the Bush Regime agenda is to exploit that yearning for there own self serving interests not for the larger good.

I have faith that the rest of the world sees this illegal and unjust regime for what it is. Not a reflection of the American people, but a greedy and morally bankrupt temporary placeholder who got away with a big one when nobody was paying attention.

Cheers,

Elliot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry you are right. You have had too much coffee <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I agree there is a yearning for &#8220;something&#8221; but I think that the Bush Regime agenda is to exploit that yearning for there own self serving interests not for the larger good.</p>
<p>I have faith that the rest of the world sees this illegal and unjust regime for what it is. Not a reflection of the American people, but a greedy and morally bankrupt temporary placeholder who got away with a big one when nobody was paying attention.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Elliot</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Springer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11949</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Springer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11949</guid>
		<description>Sorry, guys, I'm over-posting, but I just had some coffee. I promise, no more after this today.

In all their lack of brilliance, and drunken hunting trips, this administration is aware of a deep yearning for American solidarity, and understands that people will sacrifice some ultimate Marxian analysis to attain the critical mass of the American Minion.

The American what?

You can't be America, if you don't have a quorum.
You can be a shell of America, as France was a shell of France pre-WWII, fighting its own government tooth and nail, until Shicklegruber, who DID have a Deutschlandic minion, ended their bickering, by putting Vichy in charge.

The great American (and west European) conceit, is that we will always be victors, always important, and so we can indulge our differences to the nth degree of our personal cleverness, and the latest exciting millennial dream we hear, all without crapping up our viability, and getting colonized.

Colonized?  Not here....
According to the Minutemen,
we ARE being colonized right now.

Wait till your nice monetized blog gig is outsourced to a believing Pakistani genius with faith,
faith and a solid world community to back his particular viewpoints up.

People always want the solidarity, and the deeper analyses are beyond them
(as they are beyond Bush/Cheney/Rice).
I say (Harry speaks!) I say, the solidarity, the minion,
is worth a few FDR pearl-harbor lies, a few holy roller indulgences,
a little intentional slowness, just to not outrun your own generational peers,
who were not granted time to think, means to think, and means to be different, as you were,
and as I was.

 Don't hate your own.
Others will always see you as them, no matter how you outstrip their accomplishments.
So you see, you ARE G.W. Bush.

 How's THAT feel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, guys, I&#8217;m over-posting, but I just had some coffee. I promise, no more after this today.</p>
<p>In all their lack of brilliance, and drunken hunting trips, this administration is aware of a deep yearning for American solidarity, and understands that people will sacrifice some ultimate Marxian analysis to attain the critical mass of the American Minion.</p>
<p>The American what?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t be America, if you don&#8217;t have a quorum.<br />
You can be a shell of America, as France was a shell of France pre-WWII, fighting its own government tooth and nail, until Shicklegruber, who DID have a Deutschlandic minion, ended their bickering, by putting Vichy in charge.</p>
<p>The great American (and west European) conceit, is that we will always be victors, always important, and so we can indulge our differences to the nth degree of our personal cleverness, and the latest exciting millennial dream we hear, all without crapping up our viability, and getting colonized.</p>
<p>Colonized?  Not here&#8230;.<br />
According to the Minutemen,<br />
we ARE being colonized right now.</p>
<p>Wait till your nice monetized blog gig is outsourced to a believing Pakistani genius with faith,<br />
faith and a solid world community to back his particular viewpoints up.</p>
<p>People always want the solidarity, and the deeper analyses are beyond them<br />
(as they are beyond Bush/Cheney/Rice).<br />
I say (Harry speaks!) I say, the solidarity, the minion,<br />
is worth a few FDR pearl-harbor lies, a few holy roller indulgences,<br />
a little intentional slowness, just to not outrun your own generational peers,<br />
who were not granted time to think, means to think, and means to be different, as you were,<br />
and as I was.</p>
<p> Don&#8217;t hate your own.<br />
Others will always see you as them, no matter how you outstrip their accomplishments.<br />
So you see, you ARE G.W. Bush.</p>
<p> How&#8217;s THAT feel?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Springer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11934</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Springer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11934</guid>
		<description>Eliot:

I'm sorry.
Did I appear to judge others?
My writing must be not that good, then, For I judge nobody. Those who indulge a bohemian impulse, have every right to their (pick one): illusions/delusions/realities.

But when you choose the difficult-to-manage, you eventually find the wheels coming off.

With family (as I had)
the rescue can be seamless, fun, even.

Sans family,
the inevitable cleanup work
devolves onto the common weal.
Is that where it ought be foisted?
(No judgement here, just a question)

The "F" word sums up much of this Socratic tough-work,
in a disposable 5-letter container.

Believe it or not G.W. knows this.
52% of the electorate do, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliot:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry.<br />
Did I appear to judge others?<br />
My writing must be not that good, then, For I judge nobody. Those who indulge a bohemian impulse, have every right to their (pick one): illusions/delusions/realities.</p>
<p>But when you choose the difficult-to-manage, you eventually find the wheels coming off.</p>
<p>With family (as I had)<br />
the rescue can be seamless, fun, even.</p>
<p>Sans family,<br />
the inevitable cleanup work<br />
devolves onto the common weal.<br />
Is that where it ought be foisted?<br />
(No judgement here, just a question)</p>
<p>The &#8220;F&#8221; word sums up much of this Socratic tough-work,<br />
in a disposable 5-letter container.</p>
<p>Believe it or not G.W. knows this.<br />
52% of the electorate do, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11933</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11933</guid>
		<description>Harry,

How nice for you. But don't judge others. Morality is not some wonderful realization that you have come to by your mistakes. You sound like George Bush when he says it was O. K. for him to carry on with alcohol and "whatever" when he was young, because now he has found his faith, but as Governor of Texas wanted more jail time for youthful drug offenders.

As the good book says... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I have faith myself. Faith that my own children will be able to figure out and find their own path through the admittedly confusing and complex world, without my imposing artificial limits on their behavior. In other words I trust them to think for themselves.

But I do have to compliment you on your flowery prose. Very well written.

Elliot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry,</p>
<p>How nice for you. But don&#8217;t judge others. Morality is not some wonderful realization that you have come to by your mistakes. You sound like George Bush when he says it was O. K. for him to carry on with alcohol and &#8220;whatever&#8221; when he was young, because now he has found his faith, but as Governor of Texas wanted more jail time for youthful drug offenders.</p>
<p>As the good book says&#8230; Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.</p>
<p>I have faith myself. Faith that my own children will be able to figure out and find their own path through the admittedly confusing and complex world, without my imposing artificial limits on their behavior. In other words I trust them to think for themselves.</p>
<p>But I do have to compliment you on your flowery prose. Very well written.</p>
<p>Elliot</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Springer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11948</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Springer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11948</guid>
		<description>"Faith" is indeed a code word to certain extreme political groups.

Let that not mask the larger truth that it is a most forcefully a code word for churchgoing members of all American congregations, letting them know that their intentionally limited agendae of trying to raise successful kids who are not sexualized at an early age, or led into criminality via drug and/or sex delinquencies, will be bumped to the front of the queue, ahead of what they view as marginalia: assistance for AIDS victims, or living stipends for unfortunate youngsters who DO reproduce before attaining economic self reliance, or even social engineering, like open borders initiatives, or marriages between unorthodox partner sets. These they see as unneeded, frivolous, unworthy, and the "Faith" word ensures a middle-of-the-road societal perspective, focusing on America's great success tactic--marriage.
So it enfolds much within its 5 letters, and excludes much.

America could indeed be a secular, mainly Darwinian Atheist open ground, accepting and nurturing the numberless agendae of all the world's disenfranchised, including their tribalist baggage, their retrograde folkways, their riots, hungers, sexual eccentricities and even their malice towards America. The constitution allows almost any type of society to hold sway here, and rather than to grudge-fight each &#38; every gripe in an endless set of neo-Marxist anti-majoritarian jabs, stabs , &#38; blabs, the simple monosyllabic battle flag of normalcy, sexual fruitfulness within the nurturing fold of economic &#38; familial success, freedom from treasonous external mimeses, and a willingness to not overturn the American applecart in the name of millennial chimera, are all neatly summed up by the F-word.

And there is absolutely nothing malicious, less than worthy, or controlled by a fringe party about it.
After a young life seeking the freedom of the aquarian age, and a middle life relearning the lessons my parents &#38; teachers tried in vain to make me hear in youth, I see more clearly than anyone the values of the staunchly ordinary, the helpful, the law-abiding, the loyal-to-the-USA, the life with ethical limits, sexual limits, economic limits,
sans the gaudy, the intentionally grotesque, the perverted, the libertarian, the excessive, or the criminal.
Late in life , I've gained the wisdom to reject the false, and embrace the good.

In a word----- Faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Faith&#8221; is indeed a code word to certain extreme political groups.</p>
<p>Let that not mask the larger truth that it is a most forcefully a code word for churchgoing members of all American congregations, letting them know that their intentionally limited agendae of trying to raise successful kids who are not sexualized at an early age, or led into criminality via drug and/or sex delinquencies, will be bumped to the front of the queue, ahead of what they view as marginalia: assistance for AIDS victims, or living stipends for unfortunate youngsters who DO reproduce before attaining economic self reliance, or even social engineering, like open borders initiatives, or marriages between unorthodox partner sets. These they see as unneeded, frivolous, unworthy, and the &#8220;Faith&#8221; word ensures a middle-of-the-road societal perspective, focusing on America&#8217;s great success tactic&#8211;marriage.<br />
So it enfolds much within its 5 letters, and excludes much.</p>
<p>America could indeed be a secular, mainly Darwinian Atheist open ground, accepting and nurturing the numberless agendae of all the world&#8217;s disenfranchised, including their tribalist baggage, their retrograde folkways, their riots, hungers, sexual eccentricities and even their malice towards America. The constitution allows almost any type of society to hold sway here, and rather than to grudge-fight each &amp; every gripe in an endless set of neo-Marxist anti-majoritarian jabs, stabs , &amp; blabs, the simple monosyllabic battle flag of normalcy, sexual fruitfulness within the nurturing fold of economic &amp; familial success, freedom from treasonous external mimeses, and a willingness to not overturn the American applecart in the name of millennial chimera, are all neatly summed up by the F-word.</p>
<p>And there is absolutely nothing malicious, less than worthy, or controlled by a fringe party about it.<br />
After a young life seeking the freedom of the aquarian age, and a middle life relearning the lessons my parents &amp; teachers tried in vain to make me hear in youth, I see more clearly than anyone the values of the staunchly ordinary, the helpful, the law-abiding, the loyal-to-the-USA, the life with ethical limits, sexual limits, economic limits,<br />
sans the gaudy, the intentionally grotesque, the perverted, the libertarian, the excessive, or the criminal.<br />
Late in life , I&#8217;ve gained the wisdom to reject the false, and embrace the good.</p>
<p>In a word&#8212;&#8211; Faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbano</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11947</link>
		<dc:creator>Urbano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11947</guid>
		<description>What is a "deeply disturbing factoid": The idea or the blog?? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a &#8220;deeply disturbing factoid&#8221;: The idea or the blog?? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11946</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11946</guid>
		<description>Urbano, are you saying that is a deeply disturbing factoid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urbano, are you saying that is a deeply disturbing factoid?</p>
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		<title>By: Urbano</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11945</link>
		<dc:creator>Urbano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/10/deeply-disturbing-factoids/#comment-11945</guid>
		<description>Completely off topic:

This is probably the &lt;a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0602112" rel="nofollow"&gt;very first time a blog is cited&lt;/a&gt; as a "formal" reference in a paper, isnÂ´t it?? You should start putting volume and page in your posts :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely off topic:</p>
<p>This is probably the <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0602112" rel="nofollow">very first time a blog is cited</a> as a &#8220;formal&#8221; reference in a paper, isnÂ´t it?? You should start putting volume and page in your posts <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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