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	<title>Comments on: Black Scientists</title>
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		<title>By: Show and Tell - Asymptotia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Show and Tell - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, it is the last day of Black History Month and I am behind on answering my traditional emails. As I said last year (with a few modifications):  Pretty soon after February starts, the deluge of email I get every day gets enhanced a bit by emails from students from all over America. I become part of an assignment, you see. It seems that these students are instructed to find a black scientist and write something about them and do a presentation to their class about them. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well, it is the last day of Black History Month and I am behind on answering my traditional emails. As I said last year (with a few modifications):  Pretty soon after February starts, the deluge of email I get every day gets enhanced a bit by emails from students from all over America. I become part of an assignment, you see. It seems that these students are instructed to find a black scientist and write something about them and do a presentation to their class about them. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/18/black-scientists/comment-page-2/#comment-12353</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 06:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A.G.--I am female in Harvard Physics.  Lubos&#039; views are far from the norm here.

It would be foolish to base an admissions decision on any one professor, although you should choose your advisor very carefully--and a reputation for racism or sexism is a red flag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.G.&#8211;I am female in Harvard Physics.  Lubos&#8217; views are far from the norm here.</p>
<p>It would be foolish to base an admissions decision on any one professor, although you should choose your advisor very carefully&#8211;and a reputation for racism or sexism is a red flag.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sermon &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/18/black-scientists/comment-page-2/#comment-12352</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sermon &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 04:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I used this as a lead in to the conversation about science. Why are black people not participating in it in numbers, like everyone else? Do they not know that they are &#8220;allowed to&#8221;? That they have just as much a right to do so? I explained why it is so important to take part in the greater society by doing so. Etc., etc. I won&#8217;t go on, since I&#8217;ve had this discussion here a lot here (see these links, for example: here and here), but you see where I was going with this, I hope&#8230;. I ended up giving directions to the trailhead to Mount Wilson, and explaining about the wonderful stuff that&#8217;s going to be in the new Griffith Park observatory, and there was some conversation about church trips to see the telescopes&#8230;. so look out Sierra Madre, there might be some new faces in your &#8216;hood! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I used this as a lead in to the conversation about science. Why are black people not participating in it in numbers, like everyone else? Do they not know that they are &#8220;allowed to&#8221;? That they have just as much a right to do so? I explained why it is so important to take part in the greater society by doing so. Etc., etc. I won&#8217;t go on, since I&#8217;ve had this discussion here a lot here (see these links, for example: here and here), but you see where I was going with this, I hope&#8230;. I ended up giving directions to the trailhead to Mount Wilson, and explaining about the wonderful stuff that&#8217;s going to be in the new Griffith Park observatory, and there was some conversation about church trips to see the telescopes&#8230;. so look out Sierra Madre, there might be some new faces in your &#8216;hood! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cosmic Variance Goes To Church &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/18/black-scientists/comment-page-2/#comment-12351</link>
		<dc:creator>Cosmic Variance Goes To Church &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He seemed stunned that I was not only receptive to his opening gambit, I was fluent in it myself! I reached over and shook his hand and said &#8220;I write about this issue all the time! How can I help?!&#8221; (You, dear reader, know that I write about this, of course. See for example my posts entitled &#8220;Black Scientists&#8220;, &#8220;Encounters&#8220;, and &#8220;The Black Middle Classes&#8220;.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] He seemed stunned that I was not only receptive to his opening gambit, I was fluent in it myself! I reached over and shook his hand and said &#8220;I write about this issue all the time! How can I help?!&#8221; (You, dear reader, know that I write about this, of course. See for example my posts entitled &#8220;Black Scientists&#8220;, &#8220;Encounters&#8220;, and &#8220;The Black Middle Classes&#8220;.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quibbler,

I should have answered you earlier concerning the terms &quot;inexperienced&quot; and &quot;racist&quot;.

We are all bigots. None of us has been perfectly cleaned of our bigotries to be able to point a finger elsewhere and call someone else &quot;racist&quot; or &quot;sexist&quot; or &quot;classist&quot; when we are all suffering from it. To use the term &quot;racist&quot; is to assume some purity exists by the person pointing the finger.

It further falsely implies that when certain rhetoric disappears  and all access is open then racism has died...Today&#039;s gang bangers take advantage of that every day. They hurl racial, sexual, and class insults at each other every day on school buses and then hang around each other at night. They find fighting and beating each other up as a way of expressing affection. I busdrive them to school every day. This gives me an experience that others do not have, but does not make me clean of all my prejudices..It merely brings out others I didn&#039;t know I had to the surface.

&quot;Inexperience&quot; implies that, like a trade, a long journey is ahead and this term is more fitting with science. The term &quot;racist&quot; is more fitting to the smacks of religion...the concept of good and evil...the false world of halos and horns..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quibbler,</p>
<p>I should have answered you earlier concerning the terms &#8220;inexperienced&#8221; and &#8220;racist&#8221;.</p>
<p>We are all bigots. None of us has been perfectly cleaned of our bigotries to be able to point a finger elsewhere and call someone else &#8220;racist&#8221; or &#8220;sexist&#8221; or &#8220;classist&#8221; when we are all suffering from it. To use the term &#8220;racist&#8221; is to assume some purity exists by the person pointing the finger.</p>
<p>It further falsely implies that when certain rhetoric disappears  and all access is open then racism has died&#8230;Today&#8217;s gang bangers take advantage of that every day. They hurl racial, sexual, and class insults at each other every day on school buses and then hang around each other at night. They find fighting and beating each other up as a way of expressing affection. I busdrive them to school every day. This gives me an experience that others do not have, but does not make me clean of all my prejudices..It merely brings out others I didn&#8217;t know I had to the surface.</p>
<p>&#8220;Inexperience&#8221; implies that, like a trade, a long journey is ahead and this term is more fitting with science. The term &#8220;racist&#8221; is more fitting to the smacks of religion&#8230;the concept of good and evil&#8230;the false world of halos and horns..</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous This Time</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/18/black-scientists/comment-page-2/#comment-12349</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous This Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear A. G.

Sorry -- hit submit by accident.

I wanted to add my 2c worth that Lubos&#039;s opinions and demeanour are not representative of the wider Harvard faculty in physics (indeed, of the people I know there, I suspect they would all be vehemently opposed to them) and I would not let the presence of a single assistant professor significantly sway your decisiont to attend a given graduate school (in either direction).

The best way to get a feeling for a department that has offered you a place in its graduate program is to visit it in person, and talk to other graduate students. If they seem miserable (for whatever reason), then *that* is a red flag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear A. G.</p>
<p>Sorry &#8212; hit submit by accident.</p>
<p>I wanted to add my 2c worth that Lubos&#8217;s opinions and demeanour are not representative of the wider Harvard faculty in physics (indeed, of the people I know there, I suspect they would all be vehemently opposed to them) and I would not let the presence of a single assistant professor significantly sway your decisiont to attend a given graduate school (in either direction).</p>
<p>The best way to get a feeling for a department that has offered you a place in its graduate program is to visit it in person, and talk to other graduate students. If they seem miserable (for whatever reason), then *that* is a red flag.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous This Time</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/18/black-scientists/comment-page-2/#comment-12348</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous This Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear A.G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear A.G.</p>
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		<title>By: NL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/02/18/black-scientists/comment-page-2/#comment-12347</link>
		<dc:creator>NL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making a decision on grad school based on LM is the height of foolishness.

Not just because it has nothing to do with the rest of the department, but, being an assistant prof, he will not necessarily be there for the duration of your grad school career...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making a decision on grad school based on LM is the height of foolishness.</p>
<p>Not just because it has nothing to do with the rest of the department, but, being an assistant prof, he will not necessarily be there for the duration of your grad school career&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A. G.

I probably am not in the best position to advise you on graduate school but I would suggest that you should not let Lubos affect your decision about Harvard. I hope some of the other folks here who are closer to the academic community will speak up and echo the sentiment that he is a sample space of one and not a representative of the environment at that university. Best of luck with your decision.

Elliot

P. S.

Running a blog and making obnoxious, arrogant and demeaning comments requires no special academic qualification or talent. It can be done with very little technical knowledge in oh ... about 30 minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. G.</p>
<p>I probably am not in the best position to advise you on graduate school but I would suggest that you should not let Lubos affect your decision about Harvard. I hope some of the other folks here who are closer to the academic community will speak up and echo the sentiment that he is a sample space of one and not a representative of the environment at that university. Best of luck with your decision.</p>
<p>Elliot</p>
<p>P. S.</p>
<p>Running a blog and making obnoxious, arrogant and demeaning comments requires no special academic qualification or talent. It can be done with very little technical knowledge in oh &#8230; about 30 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: A.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta tell you, graduate school decisions on admissions are tricklin&#039; into my mailbox, and LuboÅ¡ Motl has been my main experience of Harvard up to this point. I am not comfortable with the idea of enrolling there if the prevailing culture is exemplified by his tirades. It has nothing to do with his views on IQ, because I only stand to benefit by his views. I just want to do science without having to worry that I&#039;m going to be impeded at every career milestone by similar conflict, obnoxiousness, arrogance, and demeaning comments.

Can someone tell me whether this is common in Cambridge? Because if so, I&#039;ll stay  away....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta tell you, graduate school decisions on admissions are tricklin&#8217; into my mailbox, and LuboÅ¡ Motl has been my main experience of Harvard up to this point. I am not comfortable with the idea of enrolling there if the prevailing culture is exemplified by his tirades. It has nothing to do with his views on IQ, because I only stand to benefit by his views. I just want to do science without having to worry that I&#8217;m going to be impeded at every career milestone by similar conflict, obnoxiousness, arrogance, and demeaning comments.</p>
<p>Can someone tell me whether this is common in Cambridge? Because if so, I&#8217;ll stay  away&#8230;.</p>
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