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		<title>By: Navel-Gazing Links &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/04/26/relatively-pleasant/comment-page-1/#comment-15229</link>
		<dc:creator>Navel-Gazing Links &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We have received our first (as far as I know) link from a bona-fide rock star &#8212; Brian May of Queen, who as we all know has legitimate astrophysical roots. May also has a book coming out that certainly looks good, although I haven&#8217;t seen it up close myself. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We have received our first (as far as I know) link from a bona-fide rock star &#8212; Brian May of Queen, who as we all know has legitimate astrophysical roots. May also has a book coming out that certainly looks good, although I haven&#8217;t seen it up close myself. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/04/26/relatively-pleasant/comment-page-1/#comment-15228</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 16:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amara,

Good work on those dust particles. Following up on Clifford&#039;s question about the song is all. :)

Some of us might have read about Gurdieff and Ouspensky and the spreading of a philosophy? Gave us a flavour of the Dervish ways. Spinning.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;They use this image in combination with other &quot;picture words&quot; to explain the tariqa. Lovely idea!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To me, that is a wonderful way to work. Each picture leaves a space(quark to quark measure in analogy?), for more ideas to enter. While it is historical(self remembering), it might support the movement forward.

Mean anything to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amara,</p>
<p>Good work on those dust particles. Following up on Clifford&#8217;s question about the song is all. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Some of us might have read about Gurdieff and Ouspensky and the spreading of a philosophy? Gave us a flavour of the Dervish ways. Spinning.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>They use this image in combination with other &#8220;picture words&#8221; to explain the tariqa. Lovely idea!</i></p></blockquote>
<p>To me, that is a wonderful way to work. Each picture leaves a space(quark to quark measure in analogy?), for more ideas to enter. While it is historical(self remembering), it might support the movement forward.</p>
<p>Mean anything to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/04/26/relatively-pleasant/comment-page-1/#comment-15227</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 04:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amara! How the devil are you? You&#039;ve been missed here at CV. Welcome back.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amara! How the devil are you? You&#8217;ve been missed here at CV. Welcome back.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/04/26/relatively-pleasant/comment-page-1/#comment-15226</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 04:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of you who made  such  pleasant and encouraging remarks. Thanks!

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of you who made  such  pleasant and encouraging remarks. Thanks!</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/04/26/relatively-pleasant/comment-page-1/#comment-15225</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey. thanks for the &#039;wake-up&#039; Plato. I didn&#039;t think anybody read my wikipedia cosmic dust entry; it&#039;s still 99% still my words after 8 months of being at the site. I&#039;m back at home, lazy for once, after mostly traveling during the last 5 weeks (hard work and some fun). Now, catching up on what&#039;s up at cosmic variance, I know that I owe Clifford some words about the solar eclipse. I&#039;m not satisfied with the scan of my photos (which were not of the eclipse but of the people around me), I will try to scan my negatives instead,  and I need to transcribe my thoughts into a story. In the meantime,  you can see some photos from someone I met on the way to our eclipse site: the dervish meditation hill above Hacibektas, Cappodochia, Turkey. This is the blog and photo page of a remarkable young man, Ryan Turner, whose passport is likely as full as mine: http://compassroze.blogspot.com  His time-lapse photo of our day under the magnificent sun captured the mood and movements nicely.

Clifford&#039;s method of teaching while &#039;sitting under a tree&#039; ... How about something from the sufis? They use this image in combination with other &quot;picture words&quot; to explain the tariqa. Lovely idea! http://www.amara.com/athousand/Onethousandandone.html#picturewords</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey. thanks for the &#8216;wake-up&#8217; Plato. I didn&#8217;t think anybody read my wikipedia cosmic dust entry; it&#8217;s still 99% still my words after 8 months of being at the site. I&#8217;m back at home, lazy for once, after mostly traveling during the last 5 weeks (hard work and some fun). Now, catching up on what&#8217;s up at cosmic variance, I know that I owe Clifford some words about the solar eclipse. I&#8217;m not satisfied with the scan of my photos (which were not of the eclipse but of the people around me), I will try to scan my negatives instead,  and I need to transcribe my thoughts into a story. In the meantime,  you can see some photos from someone I met on the way to our eclipse site: the dervish meditation hill above Hacibektas, Cappodochia, Turkey. This is the blog and photo page of a remarkable young man, Ryan Turner, whose passport is likely as full as mine: <a href="http://compassroze.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://compassroze.blogspot.com</a>  His time-lapse photo of our day under the magnificent sun captured the mood and movements nicely.</p>
<p>Clifford&#8217;s method of teaching while &#8217;sitting under a tree&#8217; &#8230; How about something from the sufis? They use this image in combination with other &#8220;picture words&#8221; to explain the tariqa. Lovely idea! <a href="http://www.amara.com/athousand/Onethousandandone.html#picturewords" rel="nofollow">http://www.amara.com/athousand/Onethousandandone.html#picturewords</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/04/26/relatively-pleasant/comment-page-1/#comment-15224</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we get an extra credit like this on our final too?  Or would the other prof not be too happy about that? :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we get an extra credit like this on our final too?  Or would the other prof not be too happy about that? :p</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/04/26/relatively-pleasant/comment-page-1/#comment-15223</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 01:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you do a GR course you could use these lyrics from Canadian virtuoso rockers &quot;Rush&quot;, from their album &quot;A Farewell to Kings&quot;:

In the constellation of Cygnus, there lurks a mysterious force--the black hole of Cygnus X-1...
Six stars of the Northern Cross
In mourning for their sister&#039;s loss
In a final flash of glory
Nevermore to grace the night...

Invisible to telescopic eye
Infinity, the star that would not die
All to dare to cross her course
Are swallowed by a fearsome force
Through the void
To be destroyed
Or is there something more?
Atomized...at the core?
Or through the astral door?
To soar...

The X-ray is her siren song
My ship cannot resist her long
Nearer to my deadly goal
Until the black hole
Gains control...

Spinning, whirling
Still descending
Like a spiral sea
Unending...
Sound and fury
Drown my heart
Every nerve is torn apart...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do a GR course you could use these lyrics from Canadian virtuoso rockers &#8220;Rush&#8221;, from their album &#8220;A Farewell to Kings&#8221;:</p>
<p>In the constellation of Cygnus, there lurks a mysterious force&#8211;the black hole of Cygnus X-1&#8230;<br />
Six stars of the Northern Cross<br />
In mourning for their sister&#8217;s loss<br />
In a final flash of glory<br />
Nevermore to grace the night&#8230;</p>
<p>Invisible to telescopic eye<br />
Infinity, the star that would not die<br />
All to dare to cross her course<br />
Are swallowed by a fearsome force<br />
Through the void<br />
To be destroyed<br />
Or is there something more?<br />
Atomized&#8230;at the core?<br />
Or through the astral door?<br />
To soar&#8230;</p>
<p>The X-ray is her siren song<br />
My ship cannot resist her long<br />
Nearer to my deadly goal<br />
Until the black hole<br />
Gains control&#8230;</p>
<p>Spinning, whirling<br />
Still descending<br />
Like a spiral sea<br />
Unending&#8230;<br />
Sound and fury<br />
Drown my heart<br />
Every nerve is torn apart&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ambitwistor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/04/26/relatively-pleasant/comment-page-1/#comment-15202</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambitwistor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Don&#039;t you hear my call though you&#039;re many years awayDon&#039;t you hear me calling you&lt;/i&gt;

I bet you could work causal Rindler horizons into this somehow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Don&#8217;t you hear my call though you&#8217;re many years awayDon&#8217;t you hear me calling you</i></p>
<p>I bet you could work causal Rindler horizons into this somehow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford, thanks for the comment.

This continues to be very interesting.

I have nothing original to add. I found however this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A733619&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt;. And also this wacky &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/a2947b62a2f2bf8f/1c2f9d7ba582b660%231c2f9d7ba582b660&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; on &#039;39&#039; and relativistic time travel. Which made me think (anybody: pls feel free to point out the flaw in the logic) --

[a] to experience time dilation, one has to reach near-light speed velocity;

[b] for the ship to do so, the amount of energy needed would be tremendous; so huge in fact that it would be physically impossible for the ship to carry the &#039;fuel&#039; that will eventually propel it to the desired speed;

[c] the other practical issue to deal with would be the length of time needed to reach near-&#039;c&#039; speed, i.e., if the link/s above are correct, at 1g acceleration so as not to kill the volunteers the speed after 1 year of travel (relative to the inertial frame in which ship was stationary at t=0) would just be 0.77c, and it will take 5 yrs to reach say 0.99993c, a speed where time dilation would really kick in;

[d] hence, the volunteers would need more than 1 year to accelerate and a similar period to decelerate; however, the song says that the volunteers were away for just one year (what gives?);

[e] to my mind thus, the only way the volunteers could have done their exploration in just a year&#039;s time would be via wormholes but I don&#039;t think we can find that in the song (and would time dilation occur in such a scenario?).

Or perhaps the convenient answer to all of the above would be &#039;poetic license&#039;?

CC

PS - Can you at least share to us some of the supporting equations given by the class? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford, thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>This continues to be very interesting.</p>
<p>I have nothing original to add. I found however this <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A733619" rel="nofollow">article</a>. And also this wacky <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/a2947b62a2f2bf8f/1c2f9d7ba582b660%231c2f9d7ba582b660" rel="nofollow">article</a> on &#8216;39&#8242; and relativistic time travel. Which made me think (anybody: pls feel free to point out the flaw in the logic) &#8211;</p>
<p>[a] to experience time dilation, one has to reach near-light speed velocity;</p>
<p>[b] for the ship to do so, the amount of energy needed would be tremendous; so huge in fact that it would be physically impossible for the ship to carry the &#8216;fuel&#8217; that will eventually propel it to the desired speed;</p>
<p>[c] the other practical issue to deal with would be the length of time needed to reach near-&#8217;c&#8217; speed, i.e., if the link/s above are correct, at 1g acceleration so as not to kill the volunteers the speed after 1 year of travel (relative to the inertial frame in which ship was stationary at t=0) would just be 0.77c, and it will take 5 yrs to reach say 0.99993c, a speed where time dilation would really kick in;</p>
<p>[d] hence, the volunteers would need more than 1 year to accelerate and a similar period to decelerate; however, the song says that the volunteers were away for just one year (what gives?);</p>
<p>[e] to my mind thus, the only way the volunteers could have done their exploration in just a year&#8217;s time would be via wormholes but I don&#8217;t think we can find that in the song (and would time dilation occur in such a scenario?).</p>
<p>Or perhaps the convenient answer to all of the above would be &#8216;poetic license&#8217;?</p>
<p>CC</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Can you at least share to us some of the supporting equations given by the class? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm....close?



&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The detection of cosmic dust points to another facet of cosmic dust research: dust acting as photons. &lt;b&gt;Once cosmic dust is detected, the scientific problem to be solved is an inverse problem to determine what processes brought that encoded photon-like object (dust) to the detector&lt;/b&gt;. Parameters such the particle&#039;s initial motion, material properties, intervening plasma and magnetic field determined the dust particle&#039;s arrival at the dust detector. Slightly changing any of these parameters can give significantly different dust dynamical behavior. Therefore one can learn about where that object came from, and what is (in) the intervening medium&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm&#8230;.close?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>The detection of cosmic dust points to another facet of cosmic dust research: dust acting as photons. <b>Once cosmic dust is detected, the scientific problem to be solved is an inverse problem to determine what processes brought that encoded photon-like object (dust) to the detector</b>. Parameters such the particle&#8217;s initial motion, material properties, intervening plasma and magnetic field determined the dust particle&#8217;s arrival at the dust detector. Slightly changing any of these parameters can give significantly different dust dynamical behavior. Therefore one can learn about where that object came from, and what is (in) the intervening medium</p></blockquote>
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