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		<title>By: Helge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15557</link>
		<dc:creator>Helge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 19:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I know there is the golden rule &quot;never explain a joke.&quot; ;-) Well I can live quite well with my ignorance ... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I know there is the golden rule &#8220;never explain a joke.&#8221; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Well I can live quite well with my ignorance &#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15615</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Helge. It is sort of hard to explain why it is funny. Please ignore it.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Helge. It is sort of hard to explain why it is funny. Please ignore it.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Helge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15614</link>
		<dc:creator>Helge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 14:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott: Sorry to hear about your accident.

@Clifford: Make all the yokes you want. I just don&#039;t get it. Maybe you sometimes need to be a native english speaker ... I would have loved to laugh :-(

Cheers, Helge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott: Sorry to hear about your accident.</p>
<p>@Clifford: Make all the yokes you want. I just don&#8217;t get it. Maybe you sometimes need to be a native english speaker &#8230; I would have loved to laugh <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers, Helge</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nuttall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15613</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nuttall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 07:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Let&#039;s face it, the static ads only show advertising.&lt;/I&gt;

Actually, long before the TVs were installed, the MTA buses in Los Angeles had displays of poetry mixed in among the advertising.  Although I don&#039;t know how many people ever bothered to read it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Let&#8217;s face it, the static ads only show advertising.</i></p>
<p>Actually, long before the TVs were installed, the MTA buses in Los Angeles had displays of poetry mixed in among the advertising.  Although I don&#8217;t know how many people ever bothered to read it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15612</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 04:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it would be interesting to find a form of private transportation that doesn&#039;t require huge government subsidies. Passenger transportation has NEVER made money, except in the short term, but it is one of the things a government HAS to provide. We&#039;ve spent trillions on our interstate highways and trillions more on military infrastructure to secure our fuel supplies. Railroads, steamships, canals and turnpikes all went broke and have required government bailouts. Henry V had to fix prices at the post-chaise relay houses so travelers could get fresh horses. The Khanate had to subsidize caravanserais. The Romans had to build magnificent highways, and slaves or no slaves, they cost a bundle.

I think video on buses is kind of neat, as long as the sound stays under control, at least until we all get Bluetooth Borg implants. Let&#039;s face it, the static ads only show advertising. Video monitors can show news, science, art and other good stuff and only show ads for a certain percentage of the time. Maybe someone will be inspired, if only by the pictures; maybe someone will be informed. My only hope is that the monitors don&#039;t get taken over by the malady advertisers. For a while, it was impossible to ride the NYC subways without thinking about &quot;the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to&quot;, what with the Preparation H ads next to the laser foot surgery ads next to the &quot;Are you pregnant&quot; ads next to the &quot;Fight AIDS&quot; ads next to the butt lift ads next to the cough syrup ads and so on and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it would be interesting to find a form of private transportation that doesn&#8217;t require huge government subsidies. Passenger transportation has NEVER made money, except in the short term, but it is one of the things a government HAS to provide. We&#8217;ve spent trillions on our interstate highways and trillions more on military infrastructure to secure our fuel supplies. Railroads, steamships, canals and turnpikes all went broke and have required government bailouts. Henry V had to fix prices at the post-chaise relay houses so travelers could get fresh horses. The Khanate had to subsidize caravanserais. The Romans had to build magnificent highways, and slaves or no slaves, they cost a bundle.</p>
<p>I think video on buses is kind of neat, as long as the sound stays under control, at least until we all get Bluetooth Borg implants. Let&#8217;s face it, the static ads only show advertising. Video monitors can show news, science, art and other good stuff and only show ads for a certain percentage of the time. Maybe someone will be inspired, if only by the pictures; maybe someone will be informed. My only hope is that the monitors don&#8217;t get taken over by the malady advertisers. For a while, it was impossible to ride the NYC subways without thinking about &#8220;the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to&#8221;, what with the Preparation H ads next to the laser foot surgery ads next to the &#8220;Are you pregnant&#8221; ads next to the &#8220;Fight AIDS&#8221; ads next to the butt lift ads next to the cough syrup ads and so on and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15611</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 22:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sourav ---

Thanks for the good thoughts.  I agree it&#039;s a personal choice; however, I can honestly say I didn&#039;t fully understand the consequences of this choice until I was tumbling through the air realizing that I might be about to die.  For me, the line between minor error and serious consequence is just too fine.

I&#039;m going to miss the bike a lot (2000 Honda Shadow 750 ACE; a sweet, sweet bike), but I&#039;d miss the life I&#039;ve put together a lot more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sourav &#8212;</p>
<p>Thanks for the good thoughts.  I agree it&#8217;s a personal choice; however, I can honestly say I didn&#8217;t fully understand the consequences of this choice until I was tumbling through the air realizing that I might be about to die.  For me, the line between minor error and serious consequence is just too fine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to miss the bike a lot (2000 Honda Shadow 750 ACE; a sweet, sweet bike), but I&#8217;d miss the life I&#8217;ve put together a lot more.</p>
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		<title>By: Sourav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sourav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 22:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott!

Sorry to hear about your accident.  One of your former students, a friend of mine whom I met at MIT, also gave up riding after he interned at an ER.

A personal choice.  At least two of my professors here at Berkeley share my predilection (one rides rather cautiously), as do some colleagues at LBL who have been riding for many years.  A few spills here and there, but nothing serious.  Moreso than in a car, your safety as a rider is contingent upon the extent of your skill and depth of your self-criticism.


Sourav</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott!</p>
<p>Sorry to hear about your accident.  One of your former students, a friend of mine whom I met at MIT, also gave up riding after he interned at an ER.</p>
<p>A personal choice.  At least two of my professors here at Berkeley share my predilection (one rides rather cautiously), as do some colleagues at LBL who have been riding for many years.  A few spills here and there, but nothing serious.  Moreso than in a car, your safety as a rider is contingent upon the extent of your skill and depth of your self-criticism.</p>
<p>Sourav</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15609</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 22:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the good wishes!  My wife and my cats make excellent caregivers.  And, the abrupt lesson in mortality has given me a lot of food for thought ...

The main thing is that with the back sprain I can&#039;t move around too much, so I&#039;m going slightly stir crazy.  I&#039;m dreaming of return to work next week so I can continue &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.mit.edu/8.962/www&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lecturing&lt;/a&gt; my GR course.  Ed Bertschinger did a very able job covering for me this past week, but I really want to get back into the show ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good wishes!  My wife and my cats make excellent caregivers.  And, the abrupt lesson in mortality has given me a lot of food for thought &#8230;</p>
<p>The main thing is that with the back sprain I can&#8217;t move around too much, so I&#8217;m going slightly stir crazy.  I&#8217;m dreaming of return to work next week so I can continue <a href="http://web.mit.edu/8.962/www" rel="nofollow">lecturing</a> my GR course.  Ed Bertschinger did a very able job covering for me this past week, but I really want to get back into the show &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15608</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Scott.... I wish you a Speedy Recovery!

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Scott&#8230;. I wish you a Speedy Recovery!</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15607</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 21:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear that Scott. Hope you&#039;re doing OK now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear that Scott. Hope you&#8217;re doing OK now.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15606</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott H.

Thanks! This contributes a lot. I also have had friends from the medical industry mention that they view motorcycles as reliable sources for donor organs.

Our friend is advocating increased use of them to flit around in the gaps between traffic on the highways, and we&#039;re all supposed to park them in our offices.

Excellent stuff.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott H.</p>
<p>Thanks! This contributes a lot. I also have had friends from the medical industry mention that they view motorcycles as reliable sources for donor organs.</p>
<p>Our friend is advocating increased use of them to flit around in the gaps between traffic on the highways, and we&#8217;re all supposed to park them in our offices.</p>
<p>Excellent stuff.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15605</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 20:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a regular CV reader, and an occasional poster, I just had a very personal &quot;holy s***&quot; moment reading the Clifford/Sourov argument.  It&#039;s been about 6 days since I&#039;ve looked at CV, since last Sunday I was involved in a nearly fatal motorcycle accident.  I was lucky (thrown clear of the bike, helmet took the most serious damage --- lots of soft tissue injury including a sprained back, but no bones broken; no-one else injured; bike was totalled).  Since I certainly don&#039;t expect that kind of luck to last, that was the last time you will ever catch me on the back on one of those death mobiles.  While I was at the trauma center, 4 of the docs who were treating me told me their own motorcycle stories, the general theme of which was &quot;so much fun; I really miss it from time to time; but now that I work in a trauma center, there&#039;s no way in hell you&#039;ll ever get me to sit on one of those things again.&quot;  The best thing they had to say was that motorcyclists make very reliable sources for organ donation.

I realize this contributes nothing germane to the argument whatsoever, but this just struck too close to home for me to NOT comment.  Perhaps if you&#039;re ever laid up sucking down Vicodin like its candy you&#039;ll understand ...

Scott H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a regular CV reader, and an occasional poster, I just had a very personal &#8220;holy s***&#8221; moment reading the Clifford/Sourov argument.  It&#8217;s been about 6 days since I&#8217;ve looked at CV, since last Sunday I was involved in a nearly fatal motorcycle accident.  I was lucky (thrown clear of the bike, helmet took the most serious damage &#8212; lots of soft tissue injury including a sprained back, but no bones broken; no-one else injured; bike was totalled).  Since I certainly don&#8217;t expect that kind of luck to last, that was the last time you will ever catch me on the back on one of those death mobiles.  While I was at the trauma center, 4 of the docs who were treating me told me their own motorcycle stories, the general theme of which was &#8220;so much fun; I really miss it from time to time; but now that I work in a trauma center, there&#8217;s no way in hell you&#8217;ll ever get me to sit on one of those things again.&#8221;  The best thing they had to say was that motorcyclists make very reliable sources for organ donation.</p>
<p>I realize this contributes nothing germane to the argument whatsoever, but this just struck too close to home for me to NOT comment.  Perhaps if you&#8217;re ever laid up sucking down Vicodin like its candy you&#8217;ll understand &#8230;</p>
<p>Scott H.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15604</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helge, I&#039;m sorry. I just could not resist making that joke. It&#039;s been a while.....

Do you really need a table in order to write? I just balance a notepad on my knee. Or scribble on the back of something. This is not a hugely long journey...just 25 minutes actual bus time.... Sometimes I&#039;m just writing into a little handheld notepad too. I mean the old-fashioned type. Pen and paper.  Cup of coffee in other hand. Bike under seat. Sweet.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helge, I&#8217;m sorry. I just could not resist making that joke. It&#8217;s been a while&#8230;..</p>
<p>Do you really need a table in order to write? I just balance a notepad on my knee. Or scribble on the back of something. This is not a hugely long journey&#8230;just 25 minutes actual bus time&#8230;. Sometimes I&#8217;m just writing into a little handheld notepad too. I mean the old-fashioned type. Pen and paper.  Cup of coffee in other hand. Bike under seat. Sweet.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15603</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 21:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helge,

If I have not had breakfast yet, I write on an empty stomach.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helge,</p>
<p>If I have not had breakfast yet, I write on an empty stomach.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Pizza Guy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15602</link>
		<dc:creator>Pizza Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 21:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zzzzzzz.....ahem....what&#039;s that fellow doing taking my picture...?  Maybe I&#039;ll become a movie star, or something?

.... this is all a &quot;mass psychosis of people on this bus....people, just ascenting to the reality and measures now?

Dare I ask the picture taker whether my permission is needed to show me to people in the state I am...?

bubble universes??? what strange thoughts today...this bus ride is sure slow....&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/qg_qc.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The gravitational field at a fixed time can be described by the geometry of the three spatial dimensions at that time. The history of the gravitational field is described by the four dimensional spacetime that these three spatial dimensions sweep out in time&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;... a Bubble poppings and all that I see is tranfixed to the view in my head, as some The Coleman-De Luccia Instanton.

Maybe all of us are accepting this state of the reality this way...ach! it was a hard day today.:) ah, a few more minutes of sleep anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zzzzzzz&#8230;..ahem&#8230;.what&#8217;s that fellow doing taking my picture&#8230;?  Maybe I&#8217;ll become a movie star, or something?</p>
<p>&#8230;. this is all a &#8220;mass psychosis of people on this bus&#8230;.people, just ascenting to the reality and measures now?</p>
<p>Dare I ask the picture taker whether my permission is needed to show me to people in the state I am&#8230;?</p>
<p>bubble universes??? what strange thoughts today&#8230;this bus ride is sure slow&#8230;.<a href="http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/qg_qc.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>The gravitational field at a fixed time can be described by the geometry of the three spatial dimensions at that time. The history of the gravitational field is described by the four dimensional spacetime that these three spatial dimensions sweep out in time</p></blockquote>
<p></a>&#8230; a Bubble poppings and all that I see is tranfixed to the view in my head, as some The Coleman-De Luccia Instanton.</p>
<p>Maybe all of us are accepting this state of the reality this way&#8230;ach! it was a hard day today.:) ah, a few more minutes of sleep anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Sourav</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15601</link>
		<dc:creator>Sourav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve sucked me back in -- last time, I swear :)

If by counterexamples you mean the traffic being horrendous with two-wheeled vehicles and public mass transit being far superior, I am thoroughly unconvinced.  I&#039;ve had the (mis)fortune of using various forms of transportation in Paris, Rome, all over India and briefly other Asian cities.

The bottom line is that motorized transport is faster and more comfortable for intracity travel unless your route happens to coincide with a train line.  Investing in a car, scooter, or motorcycle, is just as economical as public transport on the long-term, even with the heavy subsidies flowing into them.  Rather than the state fighting an uphill battle on some &lt;em&gt;presumption&lt;/em&gt; of efficiency, charge for environmental damage and infrastructure use and let things loose.  Mass transit will appear where it&#039;s efficient, and other forms of transportation will fill the gaps as they are fit.

If I am woefully ignorant on this topic, I would appreciate pointers to resources that would reduce my ignorance when I have more time.  In any case, I&#039;d like to think that I&#039;m intellectually honest :)

Back to supersymmetry!


Best,

Sourav</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve sucked me back in &#8212; last time, I swear <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If by counterexamples you mean the traffic being horrendous with two-wheeled vehicles and public mass transit being far superior, I am thoroughly unconvinced.  I&#8217;ve had the (mis)fortune of using various forms of transportation in Paris, Rome, all over India and briefly other Asian cities.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that motorized transport is faster and more comfortable for intracity travel unless your route happens to coincide with a train line.  Investing in a car, scooter, or motorcycle, is just as economical as public transport on the long-term, even with the heavy subsidies flowing into them.  Rather than the state fighting an uphill battle on some <em>presumption</em> of efficiency, charge for environmental damage and infrastructure use and let things loose.  Mass transit will appear where it&#8217;s efficient, and other forms of transportation will fill the gaps as they are fit.</p>
<p>If I am woefully ignorant on this topic, I would appreciate pointers to resources that would reduce my ignorance when I have more time.  In any case, I&#8217;d like to think that I&#8217;m intellectually honest <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Back to supersymmetry!</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Sourav</p>
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		<title>By: Helge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 20:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure, it&#039;s been already said in the discussion, but everybody saying that public transport is sponsored by the city, should remember that you are using roads free of charge, when driving a car, etc...

A question for you Clifford: You write about doing you writing stuff in the bus. What do you write on? I don&#039;t see tables in the bus, and what to write on is always a problem I have doing that on public transports.
And another question: How long is your ride?

Cheers,
Helge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure, it&#8217;s been already said in the discussion, but everybody saying that public transport is sponsored by the city, should remember that you are using roads free of charge, when driving a car, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>A question for you Clifford: You write about doing you writing stuff in the bus. What do you write on? I don&#8217;t see tables in the bus, and what to write on is always a problem I have doing that on public transports.<br />
And another question: How long is your ride?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Helge</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/05/04/hubble-on-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-15599</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 19:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. It is a puzzle to me why you won&#039;t look beyond these shores to see the numerous counterexamples to pretty much everything you&#039;re saying... but that&#039;s your choice.

Nice talking to you.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. It is a puzzle to me why you won&#8217;t look beyond these shores to see the numerous counterexamples to pretty much everything you&#8217;re saying&#8230; but that&#8217;s your choice.</p>
<p>Nice talking to you.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Sourav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sourav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 19:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford,

I think we are talking past each other, so this will be my last  :)

We&#039;ll see in the future how things shake out.  I agree that cars, particularly massive SUVs, will become increasingly untenable as commuting devices as environmental pressures become significant.  However, public transit will continue to be a niche mode of transportation in the US unless there are massive redesigns of metropolitan landscapes.  Fuel- and space-efficient &lt;em&gt;personal&lt;/em&gt; modes of transport like motorcycles will become increasingly popular.

Privatization and carbon credits would shake up the game by making the costs of various modes of transport more apparent and quell the grandiose passions of urban planners.  I don&#039;t see why it wouldn&#039;t work, and am not aware of any examples of it not working.


Best,

Sourav</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford,</p>
<p>I think we are talking past each other, so this will be my last  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see in the future how things shake out.  I agree that cars, particularly massive SUVs, will become increasingly untenable as commuting devices as environmental pressures become significant.  However, public transit will continue to be a niche mode of transportation in the US unless there are massive redesigns of metropolitan landscapes.  Fuel- and space-efficient <em>personal</em> modes of transport like motorcycles will become increasingly popular.</p>
<p>Privatization and carbon credits would shake up the game by making the costs of various modes of transport more apparent and quell the grandiose passions of urban planners.  I don&#8217;t see why it wouldn&#8217;t work, and am not aware of any examples of it not working.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Sourav</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 13:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford, I agree with your assessment. Some highly valuable services to our economy - such as, transportation - are not amenable to a purely market-driven economy. Even the famous financial guru - Warren Buffet - has commented that he does not invest in the &quot;human-branch&quot; of the transportation sector because he believes that the fundamental nature of this sector is not designed to turn a profit. Unless an investor is able to selectively pick and choose routes for human-transport, Buffet states that it is extremely difficult to generate a positive cash-flow. Unfortunately, our society is so driven by the notion that unadulterated capitalism is compatible with all sectors of the economy. In contrast, we intuitively know that a universal, finely-tuned mass transit system plays a vital role in the overall efficiency and quality of the economy. Furthermore, this factor will become increasingly important as the public realizes the absolute finiteness of our fossil-fuel-economy. Therefore, I will argue that it is shortsighted to assume that a freemarket economy - across the board - is the most efficient method to produce and deliver all forms of goods and services. Perhaps laissez-faire works remarkably well in the marketplace of PCs and MACs. However, laissez-faire fails to work - with peak optimum - when transporting people from point A to point B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford, I agree with your assessment. Some highly valuable services to our economy &#8211; such as, transportation &#8211; are not amenable to a purely market-driven economy. Even the famous financial guru &#8211; Warren Buffet &#8211; has commented that he does not invest in the &#8220;human-branch&#8221; of the transportation sector because he believes that the fundamental nature of this sector is not designed to turn a profit. Unless an investor is able to selectively pick and choose routes for human-transport, Buffet states that it is extremely difficult to generate a positive cash-flow. Unfortunately, our society is so driven by the notion that unadulterated capitalism is compatible with all sectors of the economy. In contrast, we intuitively know that a universal, finely-tuned mass transit system plays a vital role in the overall efficiency and quality of the economy. Furthermore, this factor will become increasingly important as the public realizes the absolute finiteness of our fossil-fuel-economy. Therefore, I will argue that it is shortsighted to assume that a freemarket economy &#8211; across the board &#8211; is the most efficient method to produce and deliver all forms of goods and services. Perhaps laissez-faire works remarkably well in the marketplace of PCs and MACs. However, laissez-faire fails to work &#8211; with peak optimum &#8211; when transporting people from point A to point B.</p>
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