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		<title>By: Lessons from Monopoly &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lessons from Monopoly &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nevertheless, as we have been known to fearlessly suggest improvements in the world&#8217;s classic games, I have a couple of ways to make Monopoly even better &#8212; more equitable without having the income distribution settle into some happy socialist equilibrium where incentives are balanced against economic guarantees. (Where would be the fun in that?) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nevertheless, as we have been known to fearlessly suggest improvements in the world&#8217;s classic games, I have a couple of ways to make Monopoly even better &#8212; more equitable without having the income distribution settle into some happy socialist equilibrium where incentives are balanced against economic guarantees. (Where would be the fun in that?) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Albert Beerstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Beerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SIMPLE SOLUTIONS TO IMPROVE THE GAME of SOCCER

Add a 2nd tier goal 6 feet higher and the same width etc on top of the 1st tier goal (present goal no changes to it). Change points to 3 points for the 1st tier goal and 1 point for the 2nd tier goal. The top goal height is now 14 feet. The goalie will still be able to block a lot of 2nd tier goals up to about 10-12 feet. The new  2nd tier goal will allow long range scoring shots. This is like a field goal in American football. If a game ends in a tie, then have an overtime period and: allow a sudden death victory score like American football or allow the winner to be determined by a final score at the end of the overtime period like American basketball. Allow free substitution like American basketball since a fresh body plays at a higher skill level. No other rules changes needs to be made. This should be tried first in a semi-pro league funded by the professional association.</description>
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<p>Add a 2nd tier goal 6 feet higher and the same width etc on top of the 1st tier goal (present goal no changes to it). Change points to 3 points for the 1st tier goal and 1 point for the 2nd tier goal. The top goal height is now 14 feet. The goalie will still be able to block a lot of 2nd tier goals up to about 10-12 feet. The new  2nd tier goal will allow long range scoring shots. This is like a field goal in American football. If a game ends in a tie, then have an overtime period and: allow a sudden death victory score like American football or allow the winner to be determined by a final score at the end of the overtime period like American basketball. Allow free substitution like American basketball since a fresh body plays at a higher skill level. No other rules changes needs to be made. This should be tried first in a semi-pro league funded by the professional association.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Gralla</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18111</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Gralla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t checked in a while, so I haven&#039;t followed the comments and didn&#039;t read them all just now, but I&#039;d just like to say that the poor officiating is all part of the appeal of soccer.  It&#039;s like the real world--there is limited law enforcement, and you get away with what you can (within limits that reasonable people set for themselves).  In life, you might speed if there are no cops around, but you wouldn&#039;t steal someone&#039;s car.  In soccer, you might pull a shirt if ref isn&#039;t looking, but you never, for example, fail to be sportsmanlike and kick the ball out of bounds if an opposing player is injured.  I like how soccer reflects life in this way; it feels more realistic and less game-like.  Winning the game involves not only outsmarting the other team but also outsmarting the referee (and believe me, how referees make calls is heavily dependent on how the players act and interact with the referee, so this ads a nice additional psychological dimension to the game).

I agree about pk&#039;s, but I don&#039;t think the solution is permanent sudden death.  Maybe something like what was used in the MLS for the first few years of its existence--a hockey style dribbling penalty kick that requires more diverse skills that just a shot from the kicker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t checked in a while, so I haven&#8217;t followed the comments and didn&#8217;t read them all just now, but I&#8217;d just like to say that the poor officiating is all part of the appeal of soccer.  It&#8217;s like the real world&#8211;there is limited law enforcement, and you get away with what you can (within limits that reasonable people set for themselves).  In life, you might speed if there are no cops around, but you wouldn&#8217;t steal someone&#8217;s car.  In soccer, you might pull a shirt if ref isn&#8217;t looking, but you never, for example, fail to be sportsmanlike and kick the ball out of bounds if an opposing player is injured.  I like how soccer reflects life in this way; it feels more realistic and less game-like.  Winning the game involves not only outsmarting the other team but also outsmarting the referee (and believe me, how referees make calls is heavily dependent on how the players act and interact with the referee, so this ads a nice additional psychological dimension to the game).</p>
<p>I agree about pk&#8217;s, but I don&#8217;t think the solution is permanent sudden death.  Maybe something like what was used in the MLS for the first few years of its existence&#8211;a hockey style dribbling penalty kick that requires more diverse skills that just a shot from the kicker.</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18142</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Italy-Germany game took my breath away. I am happy to see my neighbors over-the-top excited, but I honestly don&#039;t care who won. The skill and flair I saw in that game was thrilling. Both teams should feel proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Italy-Germany game took my breath away. I am happy to see my neighbors over-the-top excited, but I honestly don&#8217;t care who won. The skill and flair I saw in that game was thrilling. Both teams should feel proud.</p>
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		<title>By: AL</title>
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		<dc:creator>AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 04:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys who do not like football ( The real one....the one actually played by using two feet kicking the ball....a ball that is round as a ball should be)You cannot start comparing two different sports and start combining good parts of each game and totally basterdizing the game. When you do that, you end up with American football. That game is the most boring I have ever watched. Some of you want 2 referees, and forcing the games into unlimited overtimes instead of Penalty Kicks. I do not agree we need 2 referees, but we absolutely need video replays. As per eliminating the Penalty kicks, and having multiple overtimes instead, youve got to be kidding! Let me remind you that unlike Ice Hockey, Football is only allowed a few substitutes. You will only understand what it takes to keep playing on, if you have played the sport yourself at a professional level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys who do not like football ( The real one&#8230;.the one actually played by using two feet kicking the ball&#8230;.a ball that is round as a ball should be)You cannot start comparing two different sports and start combining good parts of each game and totally basterdizing the game. When you do that, you end up with American football. That game is the most boring I have ever watched. Some of you want 2 referees, and forcing the games into unlimited overtimes instead of Penalty Kicks. I do not agree we need 2 referees, but we absolutely need video replays. As per eliminating the Penalty kicks, and having multiple overtimes instead, youve got to be kidding! Let me remind you that unlike Ice Hockey, Football is only allowed a few substitutes. You will only understand what it takes to keep playing on, if you have played the sport yourself at a professional level.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Srednicki</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18141</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Srednicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 22:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  I was only able to watch the first half, alas, but I agree that it was exciting.  Portugal-England and France-Brazil were also exciting, even though we had a grand total of one goal in those games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  I was only able to watch the first half, alas, but I agree that it was exciting.  Portugal-England and France-Brazil were also exciting, even though we had a grand total of one goal in those games.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18134</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, it was not  0:0. I haven&#039;t seen such a thrilling match for years although it was not very aesthetic. And obviously, you don&#039;t want me to doubt the fairness and the well deservedness of a win in penalty shootout!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, it was not  0:0. I haven&#8217;t seen such a thrilling match for years although it was not very aesthetic. And obviously, you don&#8217;t want me to doubt the fairness and the well deservedness of a win in penalty shootout!</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Barkats</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18135</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Barkats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sean and others,

I haven&#039;t read all the comments yet on this post, I&#039;m only on number 9, but already I think it&#039;s awsome how a physics blog on soccer can inflame virtual comments almost as much as  plays on the green turfs of Germany.

Sean, I wanted to tell you,  thanks for posting this. I manage to watch a few select games  downloaded in low-res to make it through the low south-pole satellite bandwidth and there are a few soccer fans down here. We get a kick thinking that South Pole is still represented at the World Cup  (I&#039;m french and the QUAD winter over is german) and we laugh like idiots imagining and historical France-Germany final.
In any case, cheers to all soccer afficionados.

Denis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sean and others,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the comments yet on this post, I&#8217;m only on number 9, but already I think it&#8217;s awsome how a physics blog on soccer can inflame virtual comments almost as much as  plays on the green turfs of Germany.</p>
<p>Sean, I wanted to tell you,  thanks for posting this. I manage to watch a few select games  downloaded in low-res to make it through the low south-pole satellite bandwidth and there are a few soccer fans down here. We get a kick thinking that South Pole is still represented at the World Cup  (I&#8217;m french and the QUAD winter over is german) and we laugh like idiots imagining and historical France-Germany final.<br />
In any case, cheers to all soccer afficionados.</p>
<p>Denis</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 00:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The change I&#039;d make is retroactive punishment for dives that went unnoticed by the referee during play; the television footage is good enough now to catch quite a lot of them. Give the player a three game ban for something that he thinks that he got away with at the time and they might think a bit more carefully. It won&#039;t solve the problem (particularly in the Final itself, when worrying about the games to come isn&#039;t such a big deal, as they&#039;ll be in qualifying games towards getting into the &lt;i&gt;next&lt;/i&gt; World Cup), but it might help to change the culture a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The change I&#8217;d make is retroactive punishment for dives that went unnoticed by the referee during play; the television footage is good enough now to catch quite a lot of them. Give the player a three game ban for something that he thinks that he got away with at the time and they might think a bit more carefully. It won&#8217;t solve the problem (particularly in the Final itself, when worrying about the games to come isn&#8217;t such a big deal, as they&#8217;ll be in qualifying games towards getting into the <i>next</i> World Cup), but it might help to change the culture a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Greco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In soccer, the attacker cannot receive the puck if past ALL DEFENDERS.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Completely and utterly wrong. A player is offside if he is closer to the goal line than both the ball and TWO DEFENDERS at the moment of the pass. See, it is not even arcane.

And offside trap is an effective tactic? Please. There&#039;s a reason why it is called the &quot;dumb line&quot; in Brazil. Refereeing mistakes always happen with it, both for and against, and using it against a team with players who are intelligent, fast, and/or skilled is suicidal. I had to pick my jaw off the floor when I saw Ghana playing with a very high trap against Brazil, a team that has players with all three characteristics.

And before you mention Adriano&#039;s goal in response: watch the tape and you&#039;ll see the first wrong call was against an unmarked, just-the-keeper-to-beat Ronaldo, when the score was 0-0 and he was onside by a light-year.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Most football fans remember famous shoouts, like...France-Brazil...1986&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, I do remember that, it&#039;s one of my first footballing memories and the second most traumatic. The other is the surreal 1998 final, and those are the reasons I&#039;m looking forward to tomorrow&#039;s match.
And I don&#039;t agree with criticism of the shootouts. It is the ultimate test of fitness and emotional stability, it&#039;s exciting, and not a bad idea if your team has Taffarel or Dida in the goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In soccer, the attacker cannot receive the puck if past ALL DEFENDERS.</p></blockquote>
<p>Completely and utterly wrong. A player is offside if he is closer to the goal line than both the ball and TWO DEFENDERS at the moment of the pass. See, it is not even arcane.</p>
<p>And offside trap is an effective tactic? Please. There&#8217;s a reason why it is called the &#8220;dumb line&#8221; in Brazil. Refereeing mistakes always happen with it, both for and against, and using it against a team with players who are intelligent, fast, and/or skilled is suicidal. I had to pick my jaw off the floor when I saw Ghana playing with a very high trap against Brazil, a team that has players with all three characteristics.</p>
<p>And before you mention Adriano&#8217;s goal in response: watch the tape and you&#8217;ll see the first wrong call was against an unmarked, just-the-keeper-to-beat Ronaldo, when the score was 0-0 and he was onside by a light-year.</p>
<blockquote><p>Most football fans remember famous shoouts, like&#8230;France-Brazil&#8230;1986</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I do remember that, it&#8217;s one of my first footballing memories and the second most traumatic. The other is the surreal 1998 final, and those are the reasons I&#8217;m looking forward to tomorrow&#8217;s match.<br />
And I don&#8217;t agree with criticism of the shootouts. It is the ultimate test of fitness and emotional stability, it&#8217;s exciting, and not a bad idea if your team has Taffarel or Dida in the goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Srednicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Srednicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I&#039;ll certainly be happy if (a) the coaches are telling the truth and (b) their teams listen to them.

Here&#039;s hoping for a score of, say, 4-2 (which was quite common in World Cup gaimes before 1970 ...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I&#8217;ll certainly be happy if (a) the coaches are telling the truth and (b) their teams listen to them.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping for a score of, say, 4-2 (which was quite common in World Cup gaimes before 1970 &#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18138</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you expect this to happen as both coaches said they told their teams to go for offence rather than bringing the game to stand-still by falling back to defensive play?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you expect this to happen as both coaches said they told their teams to go for offence rather than bringing the game to stand-still by falling back to defensive play?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Srednicki</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18132</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Srednicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That doesn&#039;t happen in lacrosse, where each team is required to keep at least three (of 9) players on each side of the midfield line (plus a goalie on the defensive side).   The defensemen generally stay up close to the midline so as to challenge any attack as soon as possible.

It would be fun if FIFA would try staging some exhibition games with alternate rules to see how things go.  Not that I expect this to happen.

Meanwhile I look forward to tomorrow&#039;s thrilling 0-0 tie between Germany and Argentina ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That doesn&#8217;t happen in lacrosse, where each team is required to keep at least three (of 9) players on each side of the midfield line (plus a goalie on the defensive side).   The defensemen generally stay up close to the midline so as to challenge any attack as soon as possible.</p>
<p>It would be fun if FIFA would try staging some exhibition games with alternate rules to see how things go.  Not that I expect this to happen.</p>
<p>Meanwhile I look forward to tomorrow&#8217;s thrilling 0-0 tie between Germany and Argentina &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bittergradstudents</title>
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		<dc:creator>bittergradstudents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the rule is good because it is arcane?  Marco, I think you and American football would soon become good friends.

I think the offsides rule is good because it allows defenders to come up on offense more often.  If you changed it, even to something like the NHL-style rules, I wonder if the more conservative play of the defenders might more than cancel out any breakaway-type plays by the strikers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the rule is good because it is arcane?  Marco, I think you and American football would soon become good friends.</p>
<p>I think the offsides rule is good because it allows defenders to come up on offense more often.  If you changed it, even to something like the NHL-style rules, I wonder if the more conservative play of the defenders might more than cancel out any breakaway-type plays by the strikers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephens suggestion in comment 43 would not work as the defenders could step forward after the ball was kicked while it&#039;s in the air forcing an offside and there would be no way for the offensive team to avoid it (except for the receiving player moving backwards).

Given that watching out for a potentially receiving player being in an offside position is the main task of one of the assistan referees (the one that is supposed to stand at the line of the last defender) it should not be too complicated to realise if that condition still holds when the ball is kicked. But I agree, offside is the  hardest rule to decide in real time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephens suggestion in comment 43 would not work as the defenders could step forward after the ball was kicked while it&#8217;s in the air forcing an offside and there would be no way for the offensive team to avoid it (except for the receiving player moving backwards).</p>
<p>Given that watching out for a potentially receiving player being in an offside position is the main task of one of the assistan referees (the one that is supposed to stand at the line of the last defender) it should not be too complicated to realise if that condition still holds when the ball is kicked. But I agree, offside is the  hardest rule to decide in real time.</p>
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		<title>By: marco</title>
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		<dc:creator>marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, you are missing a point on the off-side rule!
Its whole purpose is to enable the most experienced watchers to stay still in front of the TV screen when it is enforced. I mean: you are in a crowded room full of over-excited fans. Suddenly an attacker of your team dashes forward and is heading alone towards the goal. All the room jumps up and shouts! ...But &lt;em&gt; you &lt;/em&gt; know he was in an off-side position, so &lt;em&gt; you &lt;/em&gt; know the referee is going to stop the game soon. So you sit still, and say with confidence  &quot;Mm, what a pity, it is an off-side...&quot;. Then the referee actually stops the game and you gain enormous respect from the rest of the crowd, especially girls (countless jokes about explaining girls the off-side rule). I must add that this works in any case, because if the action is not stopped nobody will notice your imperturbability, and you can immediately join the excitement saying &quot;I knew they were good!&quot;...
Seriously, though, do factor in some small human details that make the game more uncertain, and therefore debatable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, you are missing a point on the off-side rule!<br />
Its whole purpose is to enable the most experienced watchers to stay still in front of the TV screen when it is enforced. I mean: you are in a crowded room full of over-excited fans. Suddenly an attacker of your team dashes forward and is heading alone towards the goal. All the room jumps up and shouts! &#8230;But <em> you </em> know he was in an off-side position, so <em> you </em> know the referee is going to stop the game soon. So you sit still, and say with confidence  &#8220;Mm, what a pity, it is an off-side&#8230;&#8221;. Then the referee actually stops the game and you gain enormous respect from the rest of the crowd, especially girls (countless jokes about explaining girls the off-side rule). I must add that this works in any case, because if the action is not stopped nobody will notice your imperturbability, and you can immediately join the excitement saying &#8220;I knew they were good!&#8221;&#8230;<br />
Seriously, though, do factor in some small human details that make the game more uncertain, and therefore debatable.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Levy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18108</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I&#039;ve missed the comment in the above threads but what I find troubling about offsides is that the linesman is expected to determine whether the offensive player is behind the last defender &lt;em&gt;when the ball is struck&lt;/em&gt;, effectively meaning that he should be able to see two &#039;events&#039; separated by maybe 20m at the same time.  I can barely tell on the slow motion replay most of the time.  Why not make the rule contingent on the offensive player being at the same position as the last defender when the ball is breaking the plane of the last defender?  Wouldn&#039;t this lead to less &#039;mistakes&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;ve missed the comment in the above threads but what I find troubling about offsides is that the linesman is expected to determine whether the offensive player is behind the last defender <em>when the ball is struck</em>, effectively meaning that he should be able to see two &#8216;events&#8217; separated by maybe 20m at the same time.  I can barely tell on the slow motion replay most of the time.  Why not make the rule contingent on the offensive player being at the same position as the last defender when the ball is breaking the plane of the last defender?  Wouldn&#8217;t this lead to less &#8216;mistakes&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Dent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Dent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &#039;golden goal&#039; was dropped because it made the teams more defensive in extra time. That is the logical response to a sudden-death situation: defend at all costs.

With a full 30 min extra time, you can still equalise and even win.

Penalties make perfect sense as an ultra-condensed form of what should also happen during normal play: in both, you win if your players can keep their heads and shoot straight into the net.

I&#039;m not going to defend the refereeing!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8216;golden goal&#8217; was dropped because it made the teams more defensive in extra time. That is the logical response to a sudden-death situation: defend at all costs.</p>
<p>With a full 30 min extra time, you can still equalise and even win.</p>
<p>Penalties make perfect sense as an ultra-condensed form of what should also happen during normal play: in both, you win if your players can keep their heads and shoot straight into the net.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to defend the refereeing!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Bergman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18104</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Umh, no. A pass which crosses either blue line and the center line (a &quot;two-line pass&quot;) is also an offside in hockey.&lt;/i&gt;

That was the old NHL. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/cba/rules_changes072205.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is the new NHL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Umh, no. A pass which crosses either blue line and the center line (a &#8220;two-line pass&#8221;) is also an offside in hockey.</i></p>
<p>That was the old NHL. <a href="http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/cba/rules_changes072205.html" rel="nofollow">This</a> is the new NHL.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Distler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/06/27/fiddling-with-the-world-cup/comment-page-1/#comment-18105</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Distler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can use a blue line, but then the space between the two blue lines will basically be empty, since footballers will just stand on the blue line, and wait for long passes to come.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Umh, no. A pass which crosses &lt;em&gt;either&lt;/em&gt; blue line and the center line (a &quot;two-line pass&quot;) is also an offside in hockey.

I take Mark&#039;s point about making the offside rule depend on the locations of the opposing players.

I was defending the &lt;em&gt;idea&lt;/em&gt; of an offside rule in general -- which I think is necessary in a sport like soccer/hockey/...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can use a blue line, but then the space between the two blue lines will basically be empty, since footballers will just stand on the blue line, and wait for long passes to come.</p></blockquote>
<p>Umh, no. A pass which crosses <em>either</em> blue line and the center line (a &#8220;two-line pass&#8221;) is also an offside in hockey.</p>
<p>I take Mark&#8217;s point about making the offside rule depend on the locations of the opposing players.</p>
<p>I was defending the <em>idea</em> of an offside rule in general &#8212; which I think is necessary in a sport like soccer/hockey/&#8230;</p>
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