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		<title>By: Alex F</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20265</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... not to undermine our President&#039;s scholarship, but haven&#039;t there already been three Great Awakenings?  I&#039;m just going on the word of Robert Fogel (Nobel Prize winning economic historian), who has for instance written the book The Fourth Great Awakening arguing that we&#039;re currently in a new period of religious revival.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/256626.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; not to undermine our President&#8217;s scholarship, but haven&#8217;t there already been three Great Awakenings?  I&#8217;m just going on the word of Robert Fogel (Nobel Prize winning economic historian), who has for instance written the book The Fourth Great Awakening arguing that we&#8217;re currently in a new period of religious revival.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/256626.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/256626.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt T.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20256</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you attack Bush, you&#039;re attacking the essence democracy itself, because he was elected TWICE, man!&lt;/i&gt;

 Great gonzos, where were all these defenders of presidential holiness during the Clinton years? Or when folks criticized FDR during WWII or Lincoln during the Civil War? Why is Bush&#039;s administration above criticism?

 Spatulated said it better than I could, but this is idea that either because of his position, his electoral victories or current events, no harsh words can be spoken of the president is complete and utter horse feathers. The president, no matter what his party or even what is going on in the country, is ever, &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; above criticism. He is not the country, he works for the country. Big difference. A truly free society cannot function without open debate and discussion, and history has provided us with many examples of what happens when the leader of a country&#039;s words and deeds have some sanctified bearing. It ain&#039;t pretty.

 And frankly, concerning Bush&#039;s religious leanings, the damage his administration has done to the progress of science in the last six years leaves him wide open for criticism and denouncement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you attack Bush, you&#8217;re attacking the essence democracy itself, because he was elected TWICE, man!</i></p>
<p> Great gonzos, where were all these defenders of presidential holiness during the Clinton years? Or when folks criticized FDR during WWII or Lincoln during the Civil War? Why is Bush&#8217;s administration above criticism?</p>
<p> Spatulated said it better than I could, but this is idea that either because of his position, his electoral victories or current events, no harsh words can be spoken of the president is complete and utter horse feathers. The president, no matter what his party or even what is going on in the country, is ever, <i>ever</i> above criticism. He is not the country, he works for the country. Big difference. A truly free society cannot function without open debate and discussion, and history has provided us with many examples of what happens when the leader of a country&#8217;s words and deeds have some sanctified bearing. It ain&#8217;t pretty.</p>
<p> And frankly, concerning Bush&#8217;s religious leanings, the damage his administration has done to the progress of science in the last six years leaves him wide open for criticism and denouncement.</p>
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		<title>By: Babe in the Universe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20266</link>
		<dc:creator>Babe in the Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Man was elected to whitehouse.gov and you weren&#039;t.  Maybe Senator Franken will do better in politics than his radio show did.  What State is he running in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Man was elected to whitehouse.gov and you weren&#8217;t.  Maybe Senator Franken will do better in politics than his radio show did.  What State is he running in?</p>
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		<title>By: Spatulated</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20267</link>
		<dc:creator>Spatulated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>next to actualy going to the ballot and voting him out of office yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>next to actualy going to the ballot and voting him out of office yourself</p>
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		<title>By: Spatulated</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20268</link>
		<dc:creator>Spatulated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not at all. If you attack bush you are supporting the essence of democracy, which is dependant on criticism and transparency. If we don&#039;t like the way someone in office thinks, it is our responsibility to say so, over and over and over and over, until the majority listens and kicks his ass out of office.

think about this, a few hundred years ago, the founding fathers where told &quot;hey hey hey, whoa, this constitution doesn&#039;t protect any rights or anything, it just establishes the governments responsibility and powers&quot; and the founders where all like &quot;come on, we all know that the government would NEVER do anything beyond the powers given to it by the constitution...&quot; and the smarter ones where like &quot;ummm... k&#039;no, your stupid. We want our rights protected&quot; so the founders got together and said to them self &quot;alright, what are the top ten most important rights?&quot; and number one was the freedom of speech, the right to protest, and that the government shall not establish religion.

Criticizing a religious fanatic in office = the most patriotic thing you can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all. If you attack bush you are supporting the essence of democracy, which is dependant on criticism and transparency. If we don&#8217;t like the way someone in office thinks, it is our responsibility to say so, over and over and over and over, until the majority listens and kicks his ass out of office.</p>
<p>think about this, a few hundred years ago, the founding fathers where told &#8220;hey hey hey, whoa, this constitution doesn&#8217;t protect any rights or anything, it just establishes the governments responsibility and powers&#8221; and the founders where all like &#8220;come on, we all know that the government would NEVER do anything beyond the powers given to it by the constitution&#8230;&#8221; and the smarter ones where like &#8220;ummm&#8230; k&#8217;no, your stupid. We want our rights protected&#8221; so the founders got together and said to them self &#8220;alright, what are the top ten most important rights?&#8221; and number one was the freedom of speech, the right to protest, and that the government shall not establish religion.</p>
<p>Criticizing a religious fanatic in office = the most patriotic thing you can do.</p>
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		<title>By: nc</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20257</link>
		<dc:creator>nc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

Please stop attacking the President of the United States of America for his religious beliefs.  Show respect in your leader.  It is one thing - and a very good thing - for you to occasionally question beliefs in mainstream physics.  String theory notwithstanding, physics is supposed to be rigorous and a matter of facts, and not a matter for groupthink and dismissal of heretics simply for being critical.  But politics and religion are the correct place for groupthink and nonsensical belief systems that have no factual evidence.  If you attack Bush, you&#039;re attacking the essence democracy itself, because he was elected TWICE, man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>Please stop attacking the President of the United States of America for his religious beliefs.  Show respect in your leader.  It is one thing &#8211; and a very good thing &#8211; for you to occasionally question beliefs in mainstream physics.  String theory notwithstanding, physics is supposed to be rigorous and a matter of facts, and not a matter for groupthink and dismissal of heretics simply for being critical.  But politics and religion are the correct place for groupthink and nonsensical belief systems that have no factual evidence.  If you attack Bush, you&#8217;re attacking the essence democracy itself, because he was elected TWICE, man!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Uitti</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20258</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Uitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The Daily Show&lt;/b&gt;.  &lt;i&gt;Home of unbiased in-depth news&lt;/i&gt;.

Don&#039;t forget cheap shots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The Daily Show</b>.  <i>Home of unbiased in-depth news</i>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget cheap shots.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20259</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example: in my 4 years in the US, I have seen only one tv program that compares statements Rumsfeld &amp; Cheney make with things they said a couple of years ago as the war was starting - I mean juxtaposing the videos side-by-side. It was the Daily Show...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example: in my 4 years in the US, I have seen only one tv program that compares statements Rumsfeld &amp; Cheney make with things they said a couple of years ago as the war was starting &#8211; I mean juxtaposing the videos side-by-side. It was the Daily Show&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20260</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(for Arun) &quot;If Karl, instead of writing alot about capital, had made alot of it, it would have been much better.&quot;  --Karl Marx&#039;s Mother</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(for Arun) &#8220;If Karl, instead of writing alot about capital, had made alot of it, it would have been much better.&#8221;  &#8211;Karl Marx&#8217;s Mother</p>
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		<title>By: LambchopofGod</title>
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		<dc:creator>LambchopofGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the articles at PN is a very nice review by Alejandro Satz about Price&#039;s book on the arrow of time. Anyone want to comment on that? Dr Carroll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the articles at PN is a very nice review by Alejandro Satz about Price&#8217;s book on the arrow of time. Anyone want to comment on that? Dr Carroll?</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20262</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an old one that went something like this:

The world would not be in such a snarl
Had Marx been Groucho instead of Karl.

So it is good that comedians are in politics.  Certainly we&#039;ll be in less of a snarl because of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an old one that went something like this:</p>
<p>The world would not be in such a snarl<br />
Had Marx been Groucho instead of Karl.</p>
<p>So it is good that comedians are in politics.  Certainly we&#8217;ll be in less of a snarl because of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Franken&#039;s sentiment towards science is representative of mainstream comedy, then I&#039;m all in favor of voting for comedians to hold public office. I&#039;m speaking with honesty - no joke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Franken&#8217;s sentiment towards science is representative of mainstream comedy, then I&#8217;m all in favor of voting for comedians to hold public office. I&#8217;m speaking with honesty &#8211; no joke!</p>
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		<title>By: Amara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/09/14/philosophia-naturalis/comment-page-1/#comment-20264</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comedies and tragedies are mixed down to the deepest level on this side of the Atlantic. I think that it is appropriate that the most vocal political criticism about the Italian government and businesses come from a stand-up comedian. Here, he is named is &lt;a href=&quot;http://beppegrillo.it/english.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beppe Grillo&lt;/a&gt;. Some people have drawn parallels between him and Michael Moore. However, Grillo is much more &#039;grass-roots&#039; than Moore, taking his criticism of the trashy methods with which the government and businesses conduct their work to communities all over Italy. Perhaps it was the only method left to him, after he was banned from national television in 1987. Whatever the reason, his grass-roots style has worked well; he uses the meetup.com community to bring people together in physical space for discussions (and for more stand-up comedy...). Cheer up, Sean. It could be a trend. The comedians might be taking over the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comedies and tragedies are mixed down to the deepest level on this side of the Atlantic. I think that it is appropriate that the most vocal political criticism about the Italian government and businesses come from a stand-up comedian. Here, he is named is <a href="http://beppegrillo.it/english.php" rel="nofollow">Beppe Grillo</a>. Some people have drawn parallels between him and Michael Moore. However, Grillo is much more &#8216;grass-roots&#8217; than Moore, taking his criticism of the trashy methods with which the government and businesses conduct their work to communities all over Italy. Perhaps it was the only method left to him, after he was banned from national television in 1987. Whatever the reason, his grass-roots style has worked well; he uses the meetup.com community to bring people together in physical space for discussions (and for more stand-up comedy&#8230;). Cheer up, Sean. It could be a trend. The comedians might be taking over the world!</p>
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