Behold - the greatest deception of human kind! The god of this world IS THE GOD being worshipped by all of the world’s religions, in all of the world’s churches, temples, and synagogues, and on all of the world’s religious television shows. Yeshua says to pray in secret to your Father who will visit you from His secret place. Yet the whole world prays in public and in a large segment of Christianity, shouts out loud, waves their arms, jumps up and down and performs nothing short of a circus of boastfullness and false piety! Behold; the whole world is in covenant with the Evil One! Yeshua went on to say, as did others, that the TRUE God, the One who sent the message of freedom, the Creator of all that is all, is pure love, is without wrath, jealousy, and vengeance, and HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN OR HEARD - AT ANY TIME! Well then, dear one, who in the world is it that has been seen, has been heard, and is widely known throughout the world? Answer: The very same god that the whold world preaches and teaches about, that’s who!

Look, the original, intact message of Yeshua (his name was not and is not Jesus - research this for truth), has been corrupted, perverted, and harnessed by the Church for purely political power and societal control. Further, the message of the Christ has been realigned and manipulated in order to appear as some sort of fullfillment of the plan of the LORD. How sick. The Jews pursued and repeatedly tried to stone Yeshua and eventually crucified him because that is precisely what Yehovah told them to do! All of you think that when Yeshua says “the scriptures speak of me” and “Moses wrote about me”, that this is referencing some sort of prophetic nonsense about being sent by “God” to save the world. Wake up! Deuteronomy 13:1-11 quite plainly tells us why the Jews were repeatedly trying to catch Yeshua and stone him. Also see Deuteronomy 17:1-7.

Yeshua told the whole world that if you are going to be in the truth, then you will hate (be completely detached) from your family, from the systems and chaotic manipulations of this world, and that you will be persecuted and practically alone. Behold: NO ONE belonging to any religion or the Church is alone, persecuted, or isolated. This then, is the evidence of your deceit - you are completely surrounded by other “believers.”

Hence, it is my position, then, that you are “dead,” “asleep,” and in serious need of an “awakening,” being “made to see,” or even “resurrection.”

Go on being in covenant with the creator of chaos and the cosmos (the systems of this world). For me, there is only Gnosis.

Historical analogies are always pretty dubious–I only use ‘em for rhetorical effect myself—but if you’re going to talk about a new candidate for Hitler of the month, it will have to be the leader of a large, militarily powerful nation, somebody who dreams of imposing his ideology on the entire world, not some nut in Afghanistan.

While I often bemoan my very good Christian friends’ outlook on life, I do not demean them. I look at my scientist friends’ theories and, yes faiths, and I wonder how they can be so full of it. In explaining the ultimate scheme of things, they are as clueless as their religious friends. They just have fancier theories and faiths, expressed in exact language, and, to be sure, practices that bring about technological marvels, to the benefit of the rest of us. But there is no ultimate “understanding” at the end of all their explaining.

So the point is that we have to accept all these alternative ways to live and believe. There are no solutions, there are only choices, an old truth. That is surely a liberal viewpoint, I would propose. And a liberal viewpoint I agree with.

What is running amok these days is that one of the alternative beliefs, at least in its radical interpretation definitely does NOT have a liberal mindset. It has a medieval mindset. It will have to be eliminated if the rest of us are to survive in a (liberal) connected, pluralist world. It is that simple! Our liberal friends find it hard to revert to the definitely non liberal practice of survival of the fittest. Appeasers are everywhere among us. It is 1938 all over again. We are making apologies for people who want to kill us.

I think this is what Pope Benedict sees, but not how to see it thru. I see him as suggesting the point that God and violence do not go together. Which is where I think most of the world’s religions have evolved to. They certainly didn’t start out that way!

A radical minority of the Islam religion certainly believe that (their) God and violence go hand in hand, and that their viewpoint is the “endpoint” of spiritual evolution, to be imposed on the rest of us. And this viewpoint is tolerated by much of their majority. Definitely not good for the future of our liberal, pluralistic world.

Good for the Pope for (delicately) trying to inject this into the debate.

http://www.tariqramadan.com/article.php3?id_article=781&lang=en

Well, yea. Being ambiguous doesn’t offend many, but it’s not worth much unless you’re writing a poem.

But if he would have said, “Catholicism and Islam have both been associated with evil at times,” he would still probably have produced a significant number of effigies. And if he would have associated Allah or Mohammed with evil in any way, regardless of anything else that he said, he would have probably gotten the same result.

You don’t seem to understand the significance of blaspheming Jesus in a society dominated by Christians versus blaspheming Allah or Mohammed in a society dominated by Muslims.

And somewhere in here there should be a statement about the millions that were killed at the hands of atheists in the last century. But I can’t figure out a smooth way to slip it in.

The Pope has, without much excuse to justify his action, blatantly (and perhaps even purposefully… one only wonders…) over-stepped his jurisdiction: and he should be held to task for this.

“A person’s right to breathe in public does not give him the right to sneeze on everyone else’s faces.”
(This someone said on CNN after the Mohammed cartoons.)

Pope, instead of maintaining due respectibility on behalf of the 1.2 billion Catholics, you have lowered yourself to the position of just another run-of-the-mill political figure - maybe with some axe to grind against Islam (I don’t really know). I guess John Paul would have wanted it that way…

maybe mr Sumit could also explain to us why there are no democracies in the Muslim world, with the exception of Turkey ?

Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh. That’s 400 million people right there.

If you want to count the Moslem minority in India, that’s another 150 million moslems living in a liberal democracy.

I could go on but, somehow, I don’t think Mr Constantin cares …